The Unpardonable Sin

Carl Emerson · May 16, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The fact the God brought retributive evil is beyond any question. It's splattered across the entire Bible.

And people will still excuse it with terms like justifiable homicide or perfect justice or what have you.

Please define Evil.

Are you saying that God's actions are sinful ?

Palmfever · May 16, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Please define Evil.

Are you saying that God's actions are sinful ?

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it."

I don't believe God desires moral evil, nor unrighteousness.
Satan is the deceiver.
Acts 13"10
and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?

Christ states, "
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

We choose who we listen to. God of course through Christ created everything, including Satan. In that sense He created humans with the ability to make wrong ones.

"the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT)." Various sources

God says in James 1:13
When you are tempted to do wrong, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God cannot be tempted. He will never tempt anyone. 14 A man is tempted to do wrong when he lets himself be led by what his bad thoughts tell him to do. 15 When he does what his bad thoughts tell him to do, he sins. When sin completes its work, it brings death.

Carl Emerson · May 16, 2026

Palmfever said:
Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it."

I don't believe God desires moral evil, nor unrighteousness.
Satan is the deceiver.
Acts 13"10
and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?

Christ states, "
You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

We choose who we listen to. God of course through Christ created everything, including Satan. In that sense He created humans with the ability to make wrong ones.

"the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT)." Various sources

God says in James 1:13
When you are tempted to do wrong, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God cannot be tempted. He will never tempt anyone. 14 A man is tempted to do wrong when he lets himself be led by what his bad thoughts tell him to do. 15 When he does what his bad thoughts tell him to do, he sins. When sin completes its work, it brings death.

Maybe you could answer my questions with plain concise statements.

If we don't first define Evil, the conversation will go round and round without a fruitful conclusion.

BelieveItOarKnot · May 16, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Please define Evil.

Are you saying that God's actions are sinful ?

Define causing retributive adultery or killing children. Justifiable adultery? Justifiable child killing?

OR the far more logical sight, retributive evil to devils in humanity. Causing them to be homeless and taking His children who were bound to them in the flesh back home, Eccl. 12:7

David1701 · May 16, 2026

BrotherJJ said:
If you're a Christian & you fear you've committed the unforgivable sin, you haven't & you CAN'T!

The unpardonable sin is not what most people think.

All Humanity: Guilty of Sin, Offered a Gift

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(NOTE: Scripture declares all to be sinners.)

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
NOTE: The wage our sins have earned = death. The gift God gives = eternal life through believing in Christ’s sin‑atoning death & resurrection.)

John 12:32 Jesus said; if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw "all" men unto me.
(NOTE: Jesus was lifted up on the cross & from the grave & He draws all.)

Matt 12:31 Jesus said; All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
(NOTE: The Spirit draws all to Christ. The only sin that remains unforgiven is the lifelong rejection of that witness - refusing to believe in Christ's atoning death & resurrection.)

The Spirit Convicts the World of One Sin

John 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
(NOTE: The Comforter = God's forever [Jn 14:16] gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.)

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove, expose & convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
NOTE: We all have a choice, except & believe or reject & deny, Christ's sin atonement & resurrection until life's end. UNBELIEF is the only sin we need to repent from!)

Jesus' Warning: Die in Unbelief, Die in Your Sins

John 8:24 Jesus said; ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
NOTE: Lifelong unbelief leaves a person in their sins with no pardon.)

The Only Unpardonable Sin

The only unforgivable sin is dying in UNBELIEF — rejecting Christ's sin‑atoning sacrifice & resurrection until life’s end

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(NOTE: Believers are not condemned. Unbelievers remain condemned because they refuse to commit to the Son's sovereign rule.)

"UNBELIEF" at life's end is the only UNFORGIVEABLE sin.

A Full Pardon Awaits Anyone Who Believes

Accept God's grace (Rom 5:1-2) - His undeserved favor - by believing in: Christ's faithful, obedient, sin‑atoning death (Rom 6:23). His burial (proof He truly died) & His resurrection (the Father's receipt that the payment was accepted)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(NOTE: Jesus is that grace.)

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(NOTE: Confess Jesus as Lord, Believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead & you shall be saved. (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13)

HERES WHAT HAPPENS THE MOMENT YOU ACCEPT CHRIST:

Eph 1:
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: You HEARD & BELIEVED about Jesus sin atoning payment & resurrection. Then Jesus baptizes/immerses you with/by/in His Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11, Mk 1:8, Lk 3:16) & you're FOREVER (Jn 14:16) sealed/protected (Jn 10:28) until the final day of redemption (Eph 4:30). Where you receive an incorruptible body, clothed with immortality.)

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(NOTE: Earnest = a promise, down payment, Christ' Holy Spirit is the guarantee of your future inheritance.)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE :God has sealed us & given His Holy Spirit as the earnest in our hearts.)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us the "earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: Every believer receives the Spirit as God’s pledge.)

Tim 1:14 (A) The Holy Spirit who dwells within us
(NOTE: Christ' Holy Spirit dwells inside every believer.)

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(NOTE: The H/S seal lasts until the resurrection of the body - 1 Cor 15:53.)

Summary: What Is the Unforgivable Sin?
Not murder - Not adultery - Not blasphemous thoughts - Not backsliding - Not failure - Not weakness.

The only unforgivable sin is dying in UNBELIEF & rejecting Christ as Lord until the end.

Anyone who believes in Christ's death, burial & resurrection is forgiven, sealed, secured & eternally His. Amen

The unforgivable sin is clearly defined in Scripture: it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy is injurious speech; so, the unforgivable sin is injurious speech against the Holy Spirit. The example given in Scripture is that of some Pharisees accusing Jesus of casting out demons by Beelzebub (a name for the devil). This blasphemed the Holy Spirit, by accusing Him of being the devil.

Unbelief and rejecting Christ as Lord is not the unforgivable sin, otherwise no-one would ever be saved (we were all in such unbelief, before being saved). If one continues in this sin until death, then the sin remains unforgiven, but the sin of unbelief is not unforgivable, which blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is.

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Define causing retributive adultery or killing children. Justifiable adultery? Justifiable child killing?

OR the far more logical sight, retributive evil to devils in humanity. Causing them to be homeless and taking His children who were bound to them in the flesh back home, Eccl. 12:7

What point are you making ?

BelieveItOarKnot · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
What point are you making ?

That God openly exercises retributive evil

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
That God openly exercises retributive evil

The word evil implies a Godless act.

Would not wrath be a better word, otherwise you attribute a sinful act to God.

BelieveItOarKnot · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
The word evil implies a Godless act.

Would not wrath be a better word, otherwise you attribute a sinful act to God.

Is God causing adultery and killing children wrath? Does that make you feel better about it?

Jeremiah 19:15
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Palmfever · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Maybe you could answer my questions with plain concise statements.

If we don't first define Evil, the conversation will go round and round without a fruitful conclusion.

Thought I did.
Here it is again.
the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT)." Various sources

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Is God causing adultery and killing children wrath? Does that make you feel better about it?

Sounds like My God is Holy and yours is not !

Studyman · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
The idea of God being evil is a false philosophical construct which comes from misapplying Scripture rather than encountering WHO He IS.

Carl,

I would ask you to consider something here. If God created mankind with the ability to choose, and then gave them a LAW that says, "Thou Shall Not", which is what God did. By virtue of the LAW itself, Good and Evil come into existence. Adam can choose to obey the LAW, which is (Good), or Adam can choose to disobey the LAW, which is (EVIL).

Can you see that by virtue of the Commandment itself, given to a being with the capacity to choose, Good and Evil are created. As God Himself declares.

15 See, I have set (God/Christ has set) before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 "In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments", (Good) that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, (Your own flesh) and serve them; (EVIL) 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life (Good) and death (EVIL), blessing and cursing: therefore choose (Good) life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

This is why this same Spirit of Christ said through Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

And lastly, the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, was created by this same God. As a man Jesus, the 2nd Adam, never ate of this tree. HE only chose to "eat" the GOOD. As it is written; "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

This helps me to understand the origin of Good and Evil

I hope that you might consider God's Words in this matter.

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

Studyman said:
Can you see that by virtue of the Commandment itself, given to a being with the capacity to choose, Good and Evil are created. As God Himself declares.

Who creates the Evil ? Is it not created by human failing fuelled by the enemy of our souls ???

Studyman · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Who creates the Evil ? Is it not created by human failing fuelled by the enemy of our souls ???

I was hoping you might consider my post, and address what was actually written.

The answer to your question, in my understanding, is detailed in my post.

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

Palmfever said:
Thought I did.
Here it is again.
the King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 has two applications in the Bible. The term can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT)." Various sources

Right - sadly not all translators make this distinction and open the door to seeing our Holy God as morally Evil.

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

Studyman said:
I was hoping you might consider my post, and address what was actually written.

The answer to your question, in my understanding, is detailed in my post.

Hence the distinction between discussion and teaching. I invited discussion, we have a glut of teachers.

Carl Emerson · May 17, 2026

Studyman said:
By virtue of the LAW itself, Good and Evil come into existence.

Satan fell before any Law was given to man.

Studyman · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Hence the distinction between discussion and teaching. I invited discussion, we have a glut of teachers.

Of course Carl. It's always the other guy.

Nevertheless, it is a good discussion to have about what happens to a free will being when God gives him a "thou shall not".

Studyman · May 17, 2026

Carl Emerson said:
Satan fell before any Law was given to man.

But Carl, don’t you believe God gave Angels a Law? And if they didn't have free will, why would God give them a Law? After all, where there is no Law, there is no sin.

Didn't angels sin?

GoldenKingGaze · May 17, 2026

The Canaanites were said to have been sacrificing their children. Those that lived were corrupted. The lives God gave were being wasted, the cities were under judgement. Is there some way to destroy or make them die that is not somehow evil? God used the angel of death in Egypt, and Israel in Canaan. God did not become a murderer, there is a difference between a judge and murderer. In the separation of God and man there is this use of blunt instruments. Jesus ends that, showing God's more perfect will. We wait for His return and perfect order. We have His blood instead of Him having ours. Death is found in nature, the created order.

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