New not renewed Covenant

HIM · May 12, 2026

Delvianna said:
This is acts, Not Jeremiah 31.

Seriously guys, why is it so difficult to address what I've addressed and stop bringing up random other things. If you aren't going to bother to reply to what I've said and stick on the point that I've made, I'm not going to run around the houses on random other points you feel the need to bring up. This is just getting ridiculous.

It is not random. Verse 22 states that God shall create a new thing and then states the new thing. You are trying to act like it doesn’t say that. Which is rather perplexing.

Delvianna · May 12, 2026

HIM said:
It is not random. Verse 22 states the Hof shall create a new thing and then states the new thing. You are trying to act like it doesn’t say that. Which is rather perplexing.

And im saying the context is in verse 23 which for some reason you want to ignore and refuse to engage with and keep resorting back to 22 and not actually address what ive said multiple times now.

HIM · May 12, 2026

Delvianna said:
And im saying the context is in verse 23 which for some reason you want to ignore and refuse to engage with and keep resorting back to 22 and not actually address what ive said multiple times now.

You claim you made some case to which the context of 23 nullifies the plain speech in the proclamation that God has created something New and that new thing is that a woman shall compass a man. All you done is say so without actually explaining. If you think you have done otherwise please by all means show us. Here are your first two posts.

Delvianna said:
Youre taking context out of the word. The context of Jeremiah 31 for instance, is talking about restoration due to literally the next verse, 23. New can mean brand new or restored depending on context. Dont get lost in 1 context and apply it to everything.

A woman compassing a man has nothing to do with restoration. And regardless it still says in verse 22 that God has made a NEW thing and that New thing is a women shall compass a man.

Delvianna said:
Look at verse 23. The context is renewed not brand new. Did you read what I said? Because you just repeated your post without addressing the verse I brought up.

Because God has said He shall create a new thing. Something was not before.

Delvianna · May 12, 2026

HIM said:
You claim you made some case to which the context of 23 nullifies the plain speech in the proclamation that God has created something New and that new thing is that a woman shall compass a man. All you done is say so without actually explaining. If you think you have done otherwise please by all means show us. Here are your first two posts.

A woman compassing a man has nothing to do with restoration. And regardless it still says in verse 22 that God has made a NEW thing and that New thing is a women shall compass a man.

Because God has said He shall create a new thing. Something was not before.

None of that is actually addressing verse 23. You're just repeating your same stance of 22. I don't know how else to say verse 23 is the context of the entire chapter is showing renewal, not brand new.

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “They shall again use this speech in the land of Judah and in its cities, when I bring back their captivity: ‘The Lord bless you, O home of justice, and mountain of holiness!

Or even verse 21

“Set up signposts,
Make landmarks;
Set your heart toward the highway,
The way in which you went.
Turn back, O virgin of Israel,
Turn back to these your cities.

There's literally no other way I can "explain" it. My stance is pretty clear. You're taking verse 22 out of context and focusing on 1 aspect of the word "new" and applying it to everything when it's clear, that "new" in Jeremiah 31 is talking about restoration and not brand new point blank. So the context of verse 22 is renewal, not brand new.

If you don't understand what I mean when I say you're taking something out of context, then I can try to expound on it, but that is my stance. You are taking verse 22 out of context which is what I stated from the very beginning and I'm proving it by telling you to read verse 23 and now even adding verse 21. The entire chapter is about restoration. So your entire premise has a problem when I'm saying the evidence you're giving is inaccurately understood.

ralliann · May 13, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
I do not see Scripture separating Abraham’s promised land from the land Israel later inherited. Joshua 21:43 explicitly says God gave Israel the land He swore to give to their fathers. So it seems the biblical picture is not two different lands, but one promise with both a historical fulfillment in Canaan and a greater ultimate fulfillment in the kingdom of God, yet to come. Rev22:14

Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I never said any such thing. Distinction is not separation.
Abraham DIED. So did the patriarchs they have not yet inherited the land have they?
So there is no separation from the promise.
The covenant in Genesis 15 is specific to the 4th generation of his seed.

Hebrews speaks to this
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The entire tribe of Levi did not inherit the land
You yourself simply rephrase it as the ultimate greater fulfillment. As though you are saying something different. You are not.

SabbathBlessings · May 13, 2026

ralliann said:
Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I never said any such thing. Distinction is not separation.
Abraham DIED. So did the patriarchs they have not yet inherited the land have they?
So there is no separation from the promise.
The covenant in Genesis 15 is specific to the 4th generation of his seed.

Hebrews speaks to this
Heb 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The entire tribe of Levi did not inherit the land
You yourself simply rephrase it as the ultimate greater fulfillment. As though you are saying something different. You are not.

I was only using your own words....there is only one promise land, not two but it is also a symbol of heaven yet to come. Rev22:14. If you are speaking of Abraham at the resurrection will receive his inheritance as will all the other saints, the Tree of Life than perhaps we agree, not really sure.

SabbathBlessings said:
You have made it sound like the promise through Abraham on their inheritance of the land is a different promise land than the Israelites received - can you show this through Scripture?

I have done that. But again you attempt to reframe it instead. And continue to do so rather than addressing the scriptures I quoted. Genesis 15 speaks concerning the fourth generation of Abrahams seed. It also clealy states he would be dead. In fact Joseph knew this to be so as he took an oath of the COI to take his bones with them when the fulfillment of that promise occured.

ralliann · May 13, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
I was only using your own words....there is only one promise land, not two but it is also a symbol of heaven yet to come. Rev22:14. If you are speaking of Abraham at the resurrection will receive his inheritance as will all the other saints, the Tree of Life than perhaps we agree, not really sure.

I have done that. But again you attempt to reframe it instead. And continue to do so rather than addressing the scriptures I quoted. Genesis 15 speaks concerning the fourth generation of Abrahams seed. It also clealy states he would be dead. In fact Joseph knew this to be so as he took an oath of the COI to take his bones with them when the fulfillment of that promise occured.

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It is different in distinction. Two covenants Gen 15, gen17.
One is for an earthly worldly shadow.

HIM · May 14, 2026

Delvianna said:
None of that is actually addressing verse 23. You're just repeating your same stance of 22. I don't know how else to say verse 23 is the context of the entire chapter is showing renewal, not brand new.

You had said, "Youre taking context out of the word. The context of Jeremiah 31 for instance, is talking about restoration due to literally the next verse, 23. New can mean brand new or restored depending on context. Dont get lost in 1 context and apply it to everything."

The OP shows that in every instance of the word it used in respect to something being new, not renewed or restored.

You posted the quote above as a rebuttal, as to say it doesn't matter.

It does. Here is the post again showing how the was parsed and was used in it's morphological form. This matters. Please reread it.

If my search engine is correct, the Holy Writ in respect to "Chadesh" has 63 Occurrences if we do away with the vowel marks. That leaves us in the dark; subject to our own interpretation, or us thinking we are led by God's Spirit or prayerfully us being led by God's Holy Spirit. And or us relying on the LXX as the given interpretation, through our own interpretation of it or through God's Spirit. Which is still subject to ours's at times, as is the Masoretic due to not hearing God's voice at times or not at all as we might be caught up in ourselves.

Out of the 63 only 20 use the suffix ה in the spelling חֲדָשָׁה֙. As you might know the suffix denotes permanence, state of being. In other words makes the word a noun not a verb. Here they are.

Lev 23:16 עַ֣ד ʿa֣ḏ Even unto מִֽ mīֽמָּחֳרַ֤ת moḥŏra֤ṯ the morrow הַ haשַּׁבָּת֙ śּaboṯ֙ sabbath הַ haשְּׁבִיעִ֔ת śּəḇîʿī֔ṯ after the seventh תִּסְפְּר֖וּ tīsəpər֖ûi shall ye number חֲמִשִּׁ֣ים ḥămīśּī֣ym fifty י֑וֹם y֑ôm days וְ wəהִקְרַבְתֶּ֛ם hīqəraḇəte֛m and ye shall offer מִנְחָ֥ה mīnəḥo֥h meat offering חֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h a new לַ laיהוָֽה׃ yhwoֽh. unto the LORD

A new meat offering not renewed

Num 28:26 וּ ûiבְ ḇəי֣וֹם y֣ôm Also in the day הַ haבִּכּוּרִ֗ים bīkûirī֗ym of the firstfruits בְּ bəהַקְרִ֨יבְ haqərī֨yḇəכֶ֜ם ḵe֜m when ye bring מִנְחָ֤ה mīnəḥo֤h meat offering חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new לַֽ laֽיהוָ֔ה yhwo֔h unto the LORD בְּ bəשָׁבֻעֹ֖תֵי śoḇūʿō֖ṯêכֶ֑ם ḵe֑m after your weeks מִֽקְרָא־ mīֽqəroʾ- convocation קֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ qō֙ḏeś֙ [be out] ye shall have an holy יִהְיֶ֣ה yīhəye֣h shall have לָ loכֶ֔ם ḵe֔m כָּל־ kol- all manner מְלֶ֥אכֶת məle֥ʾḵeṯ work עֲבֹדָ֖ה ʿăḇōḏo֖h no servile לֹ֥א lō֥ʾ not תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃ ṯaʿăšֽûi. ye shall do

A new meat offering not renewed

Deut 24:5 כִּֽי־ kīֽy- When יִקַּ֥ח yīqa֥ḥ hath taken אִישׁ֙ ʾîś֙ When a man אִשָּׁ֣ה ʾīśּo֣h wife חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h a new לֹ֤א lō֤ʾ nor יֵצֵא֙ yēṣēʾ֙ he shall not go out בַּ baצָּבָ֔א ṣoḇo֔ʾ to war וְ wəלֹא־ lōʾ- nor יַעֲבֹ֥ר yaʿăḇō֥r neither shall he be charged עָלָ֖י ʿolo֖yו w with לְ ləכָל־ ḵol- any דָּבָ֑ר doḇo֑r with any business נָקִ֞י noqī֞y [but] he shall be free יִהְיֶ֤ה yīhəye֤h become לְ ləבֵית ḇêṯוֹ֙ ô֙ at home שָׁנָ֣ה śono֣h year אֶחָ֔ת ʾeḥo֔ṯ one וְ wəשִׂמַּ֖ח šīma֖ḥ and shall cheer up אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אִשְׁתּ֥ ʾīśət֥וֹ ô his wife אֲשֶׁר־ ʾăśer- whom לָקָֽח׃ loqoֽḥ. which he hath taken ס s

A new wife not renewed

Josh 15:37 צְנָ֥ן ṣəno֥n Zenan וַ waחֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h and Hadashah וּ ûiמִגְדַּל־ mīḡədal- גָּֽד׃ goֽḏ. and Migdalgad

Name of a city

1Sam 6:7 וְ wəעַתָּ֗ה ʿato֗h Now קְח֨וּ qəḥ֨ûi and take וַ waעֲשׂ֜וּ ʿăš֜ûi Now therefore make עֲגָלָ֤ה ʿăḡolo֤h cart חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ new אֶחָ֔ת ʾeḥo֔ṯ a וּ ûiשְׁתֵּ֤י śətē֤y two פָרוֹת֙ p̄orôṯ֙ kine עָל֔וֹת ʿol֔ôṯ milch אֲשֶׁ֛ר ʾăśe֛r which לֹא־ lōʾ- has never עָלָ֥ה ʿolo֥h on which there hath come עֲלֵי ʿălêהֶ֖ם he֖m and עֹ֑ל ʿō֑l no yoke וַ waאֲסַרְתֶּ֤ם ʾăsarəte֤m and tie אֶת־ ʾeṯ- הַ haפָּרוֹת֙ porôṯ֙ the kine בָּ boעֲגָלָ֔ה ʿăḡolo֔h to the cart וַ waהֲשֵׁיבֹתֶ֧ם hăśêḇōṯe֧m and bring בְּנֵי bənêהֶ֛ם he֛m their calves מֵ mēאַחֲרֵי ʾaḥărêהֶ֖ם he֖m from them הַ haבָּֽיְתָ boֽyəṯoה׃ h. home

New cart not renewed

2Sam 6:3 וַ waיַּרְכִּ֜בוּ yarəkī֜ḇûi And they set אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אֲר֤וֹן ʾăr֤ôn the ark הָֽ hoֽאֱלֹהִים֙ ʾĕlōhîm֙ of God אֶל־ ʾel- about עֲגָלָ֣ה ʿăḡolo֣h cart חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h upon a new וַ waיִּשָּׂאֻ֔ yīšּoʾū֔הוּ hûi and brought מִ mīבֵּ֥ית bē֥yṯ it out of the house אֲבִינָדָ֖ב ʾăḇînoḏo֖ḇ of Abinadab אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r which בַּ baגִּבְעָ֑ה gīḇəʿo֑h the hill וְ wəעֻזָּ֣א ʿūzo֣ʾ and Uzzah וְ wəאַחְי֗וֹ ʾaḥəy֗ô and Ahio בְּנֵי֙ bənê֙ the sons אֲבִ֣ינָדָ֔ב ʾăḇī֣ynoḏo֔ḇ of Abinadab נֹהֲגִ֖ים nōhăḡī֖ym drave אֶת־ ʾeṯ- הָ hoעֲגָלָ֥ה ʿăḡolo֥h cart חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. the new

New cart not renewed.

2Sam 21:16 [וְיִשְׁבֹּו wəyīśəbōw כ ḵ ] (וְיִשְׁבִּ֨י wəyīśəbī֨y ק q ) בְּנֹ֜ב bənō֜ḇ And Ishbibenob אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r ׀ ׀ who בִּ bīילִידֵ֣י ylîḏē֣y which [was] of the sons הָ hoרָפָ֗ה rop̄o֗h of the giant וּ ûiמִשְׁקַ֤ל mīśəqa֤l the weight קֵינ qênוֹ֙ ô֙ of whose spear שְׁלֹ֤שׁ śəlō֤ś [weighed] three מֵאוֹת֙ mēʾôṯ֙ hundred מִשְׁקַ֣ל mīśəqa֣l in weight נְחֹ֔שֶׁת nəḥō֔śeṯ [shekels] of brass וְ wəה֖וּא h֖ûiʾ he חָג֣וּר ḥoḡ֣ûir he being girded חֲדָשָׁ֑ה ḥăḏośo֑h with a new וַ waיֹּ֖אמֶר yō֖ʾmer [sword] thought לְ ləהַכּ֥וֹת hak֥ôṯ to have slain אֶת־ ʾeṯ- דָּוִֽד׃ dowīֽḏ. David

Girded with a new not renewed

1Kgs 11:29 וַֽ waֽיְהִי֙ yəhî֙ came בָּ boעֵ֣ת ʿē֣ṯ And it came to pass at that time הַ haהִ֔יא hī֔yʾ he וְ wəיָֽרָבְעָ֖ם yoֽroḇəʿo֖m when Jeroboam יָצָ֣א yoṣo֣ʾ went out מִ mīירוּשָׁלִָ֑ם yrûiśolīo֑m of Jerusalem וַ waיִּמְצָ֣א yīməṣo֣ʾ found אֹת֡ ʾōṯ֡וֹ ô אֲחִיָּה֩ ʾăḥîּâ֩ Ahijah הַ haשִּׁילֹנִ֨י śּîlōnī֨y the Shilonite הַ haנָּבִ֜יא noḇī֜yʾ that the prophet בַּ baדֶּ֗רֶךְ de֗reḵə him in the way וְ wəה֤וּא h֤ûiʾ now Ahijah מִתְכַּסֶּה֙ mīṯəkaseh֙ and he had clad בְּ bəשַׂלְמָ֣ה šaləmo֣h garment חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h himself with a new וּ ûiשְׁנֵי śənêהֶ֥ם he֥m and they two לְ ləבַדָּ֖ ḇado֖ם m were alone בַּ baשָּׂדֶֽה׃ šּoḏeֽh. [were] alone in the field

A new garment not renewed

1Kgs 11:30 וַ waיִּתְפֹּ֣שׂ yīṯəpō֣š caught אֲחִיָּ֔ה ʾăḥîּo֔h And Ahijah בַּ baשַּׂלְמָ֥ה šּaləmo֥h garment הַ haחֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h the new אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r which עָלָ֑י ʿolo֑yו w was on וַ waיִּ֨קְרָעֶ֔ yī֨qəroʿe֔הָ ho that [was] on him and rent שְׁנֵ֥ים śənē֥ym both עָשָׂ֖ר ʿošo֖r ten קְרָעִֽים׃ qəroʿīֽym. pieces

New garment rent in 12 pieces not renewed

2Kgs 2:20 וַ waיֹּ֗אמֶר yō֗ʾmer And he said קְחוּ־ qəḥûi- Bring לִ līי֙ y֙ צְלֹחִ֣ית ṣəlōḥī֣yṯ cruse חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h me a new וְ wəשִׂ֥ימוּ šī֥ymûi and put שָׁ֖ם śo֖m in it מֶ֑לַח me֑laḥ salt וַ waיִּקְח֖וּ yīqəḥ֖ûi therein And they brought אֵלָֽי ʾēloֽyו׃ w. about

A new cruse not renewed

1Chr 13:7 וַ waיַּרְכִּ֜יבוּ yarəkī֜yḇûi And they carried אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אֲר֤וֹן ʾăr֤ôn the ark הָ hoאֱלֹהִים֙ ʾĕlōhîm֙ of God עַל־ ʿal- and עֲגָלָ֣ה ʿăḡolo֣h cart חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h in a new מִ mīבֵּ֖ית bē֖yṯ out of the house אֲבִינָדָ֑ב ʾăḇînoḏo֑ḇ of Abinadab וְ wəעֻזָּ֣א ʿūzo֣ʾ and Uzza וְ wəאַחְי֔וֹ ʾaḥəy֔ô and Ahio נֹהֲגִ֖ים nōhăḡī֖ym drave בָּ boעֲגָלָֽה׃ ʿăḡoloֽh. the cart

A new cart not renewed

2Chr 20:5 וַ waיַּעֲמֹ֣ד yaʿămō֣ḏ stood יְהוֹשָׁפָ֗ט yəhôśop̄o֗ṭ And Jehoshaphat בִּ bīקְהַ֧ל qəha֧l in the congregation יְהוּדָ֛ה yəhûiḏo֛h of Judah וִ wīירוּשָׁלִַ֖ם yrûiśolīa֖m and Jerusalem בְּ bəבֵ֣ית ḇē֣yṯ in the house יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h of the LORD לִ līפְנֵ֖י p̄ənē֖y before הֶ heחָצֵ֥ר ḥoṣē֥r court הַ haחֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. the new

This one could go either way. New court or renewed. But I tend to think it is new because when Asa heard and heeded the Prophet Oded he addressed the altar. In the KJV it says renewed the Alter in 2 Chron 15:8. But since it was desecrated I think the old was destroyed and another was built. At this time the court would have rebuilt also being desecrated. Couple that with the fact that all the evidence thus far shows us when the word is used with the spelling being the way it is in Jer 31:31-33 it is in relation with something being New not renewed.

Isa 43:19 הִנְ hīnəנִ֨י nī֨y behold עֹשֶׂ֤ה ʿōše֤h Behold I will do חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new thing עַתָּ֣ה ʿato֣h Now תִצְמָ֔ח ṯīṣəmo֔ḥ now it shall spring forth הֲ hăל֖וֹא l֖ôʾ not תֵֽדָע֑וּ ṯēֽḏoʿ֑ûiהָ ho shall ye not know אַ֣ף ʾa֣p̄ will even אָשִׂ֤ים ʾošī֤ym it? I will even make בַּ baמִּדְבָּר֙ mīḏəbor֙ in the wilderness דֶּ֔רֶךְ de֔reḵə a way בִּֽ bīֽישִׁמ֖וֹן yśīm֖ôn in the desert נְהָרֽוֹת׃ nəhorֽôṯ. [and] rivers

A new thing not renewed according to context.

Isa 65:17 כִּֽי־ kīֽy- for הִנְ hīnəנִ֥י nī֥y behold בוֹרֵ֛א ḇôrē֛ʾ For behold I create שָׁמַ֥יִם śoma֥yīm heavens חֲדָשִׁ֖ים ḥăḏośī֖ym new וָ woאָ֣רֶץ ʾo֣reṣ earth חֲדָשָׁ֑ה ḥăḏośo֑h and a new וְ wəלֹ֤א lō֤ʾ not תִזָּכַ֙רְנָה֙ ṯīzoḵa֙rənâ֙ shall not be remembered הָ hoרִ֣אשֹׁנ֔וֹת rī֣ʾśōn֔ôṯ and the former וְ wəלֹ֥א lō֥ʾ or תַעֲלֶ֖ינָה ṯaʿăle֖ynâ nor come עַל־ ʿal- unto לֵֽב׃ lēֽḇ. into mind

Here we have a contrast which is nice. We have in respect the new heavens חֲדָשִׁ֖ים. As you can see this time the word in question has the suffix ם. As you might know this modifies the word to it's masculine plural form. (I will look more in depth at it's uses later) And we have חֲדָשָׁ֑ה in respect to the earth being new or renewed. Peter prophesying in regard to the day of the Lord in 2Pet 3:10 says the earth shall λύω in the Greek. Translated melt in the KJV but is defined, loosened in the sense of being destroyed in the BDAG Lexicon. The citation is below for your convenience. With this in mind we see that the earth being melted (loosened) by fervent heat is not the same as it being decimated, raised like a city that can be rebuilt from the ruins, renewed. If it is dissolved it has no form and must be made NEW.

2 Pet 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

BDAG: to reduce someth. by violence into its components, destroy (Iren. 1, 8, 1 [Harv. I 67, 9]), of a building tear down (Il. 16, 10; X., An. 2, 4, 17f; Herodian 7, 1, 7; 1 Esdr 1:52; Jos., Bell. 6, 32; SibOr 3, 409) τ. ναὸν τοῦτον J 2:19. τὸ μεσότοιχον Eph 2:14 (in imagery).—ἡ πρύμνα ἐλύετο the stern began to break up Ac 27:41 (PLond III 1164h, 19 p. 164 [III A.D.] uses λ. of the dismantling of a ship). Of the parts of the universe, as it is broken up and destroyed in the final conflagration 2 Pt 3:10–12

Isa 66:22 כִּ֣י kī֣y for כַ ḵaאֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r Which הַ haשָּׁמַ֣יִם śּoma֣yīm heavens הַ֠ ha֠חֳדָשִׁים ḥŏḏośîm For as the new וְ wəהָ hoאָ֨רֶץ ʾo֨reṣ earth הַ ha חֲדָשָׁ֜ה ḥăḏośo֜h and the new אֲשֶׁ֨ר ʾăśe֨r Which אֲנִ֥י ʾănī֥y I עֹשֶׂ֛ה ʿōše֛h which I will make עֹמְדִ֥ים ʿōməḏī֥ym shall remain לְ ləפָנַ֖ p̄ona֖י y before נְאֻם־ nəʾūm- me saith יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h the LORD כֵּ֛ן kē֛n So יַעֲמֹ֥ד yaʿămō֥ḏ remain זַרְעֲ zarəʿăכֶ֖ם ḵe֖m so shall your seed וְ wəשִׁמְ śīməכֶֽם׃ ḵeֽm. and your name

New not renew for He will make not remake. For the FIRST Earth and Heaven shall melt, disolve with fervent and shall be no more.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Jer 31:22 עַד־ ʿaḏ- against מָתַי֙ moṯai֙ How תִּתְחַמָּקִ֔י tīṯəḥamoqī֔yן n How long wilt thou go about הַ haבַּ֖ת ba֖ṯ first הַ haשּֽׁוֹבֵבָ֑ה śּֽôḇēḇo֑h O thou backsliding כִּֽי־ kīֽy- for בָרָ֨א ḇoro֨ʾ hath created יְהוָ֤ה yəhwo֤h the Lord חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new thing בָּ boאָ֔רֶץ ʾo֔reṣ in the earth נְקֵבָ֖ה nəqēḇo֖h A woman תְּס֥וֹבֵֽב təs֥ôḇēֽḇ shall compass גָּֽבֶר׃ goֽḇer. a man ס s

The Lord have CREATED a new thing in the earth a women shall compass a man. New not renewed for it is not like anything before. It is created, new.

Jer 31:31 הִנֵּ֛ה hīnē֛h Behold יָמִ֥ים yomī֥ym Behold the days בָּאִ֖ים boʾī֖ym come נְאֻם־ nəʾūm- saith יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h the LORD וְ wəכָרַתִּ֗י ḵoratī֗y that I will make אֶת־ ʾeṯ- with בֵּ֧ית bē֧yṯ with the house יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל yīšəroʾē֛l of Israel וְ wəאֶת־ ʾeṯ- and with בֵּ֥ית bē֥yṯ and with the house יְהוּדָ֖ה yəhûiḏo֖h of Judah בְּרִ֥ית bərī֥yṯ covenant חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. a new

With verse 22's use of the word in question we find ourselves Here we are at the verse in questioned and the context of the passages should be enough for you along with the evidence thus far. What do I mean by context? The text literally says that this new covenant is not like the covenant before. Therefore It is new not renewed. Especially considering how it was just used in Jer 31:22

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

I ended it at the verse in question

Delvianna said:
There's literally no other way I can "explain" it. My stance is pretty clear. You're taking verse 22 out of context and focusing on 1 aspect of the word "new" and applying it to everything when it's clear, that "new" in Jeremiah 31 is talking about restoration and not brand new point blank. So the context of verse 22 is renewal, not brand new.

Restoration of the people not the first Covenant. The immediate context was shown in the OP. It is the last sentence above but basically said,

The text literally says in the Hebrew that this new covenant is not like the covenant before.. Therefore It is new not renewed. Especially considering how it was just used in Jer 31:22. If something is not like, it is not renewed it is new

Jer 31:32 Not לֹ֣א lō֣ʾ like כַ ḵaבְּרִ֗ית bərī֗yṯ Not like the covenant אֲשֶׁ֤ר ʾăśe֤r which כָּרַ֙תִּי֙ kora֙tî֙ that I made אֶת־ ʾeṯ- with אֲבוֹתָ֔ ʾăḇôṯo֔ם m with their fathers בְּ bəיוֹם֙ yôm֙ in the day הֶחֱזִיקִ֣ heḥĕzîqī֣י y [that] I took בְ ḇəיָדָ֔ yoḏo֔ם m them by the hand לְ ləהוֹצִיאָ֖ hôṣîʾo֖ם m to bring them out מֵ mēאֶ֖רֶץ ʾe֖reṣ of the land מִצְרָ֑יִם mīṣəro֑yīm of Egypt אֲשֶׁר־ ʾăśer- which הֵ֜מָּה hē֜mâ they הֵפֵ֣רוּ hēp̄ē֣rûi they brake אֶת־ ʾeṯ- בְּרִיתִ֗ bərîṯī֗י y which my covenant וְ wəאָנֹכִ֛י ʾonōḵī֛y I בָּעַ֥לְתִּי boʿa֥lətî although I was an husband בָ֖ ḇo֖ם m נְאֻם־ nəʾūm- unto them saith יְהוָֽה׃ yəhwoֽh. the LORD

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Couple that fact with the fact that God said that this is the second covenant in Heb 8:6. If it is the first covenant renewed it can't be the second. Please keep in mind also that in Heb 8:13 says the first is ready to vanish away. It can't vanish if it is renewed

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Delvianna said:
If you don't understand what I mean when I say you're taking something out of context, then I can try to expound on it, but that is my stance. You are taking verse 22 out of context which is what I stated from the very beginning and I'm proving it by telling you to read verse 23 and now even adding verse 21. The entire chapter is about restoration. So your entire premise has a problem when I'm saying the evidence you're giving is inaccurately understood.

Yes restoration of the people. That is what it has always been about

Delvianna · May 14, 2026

Oh my goodness gracious the mental gymnastics you take... The topic doesn't change the context. If the context is renewed, just because its people vs covenant doesn't automatically change the context to brand new. Then you contradict yourself...

HIM said:
Restoration of the people not the first Covenant. The immediate context was shown in the OP. It is the last sentence above but basically said,

The text literally says in the Hebrew that this new covenant is not like the covenant before.. Therefore It is new not renewed. Especially considering how it was just used in Jer 31:22. If something is not like, it is not renewed it is new

Read those sentences again...
First sentence: Restoration of the people
Second sentence: New covenant.

Then your last sentence:

HIM said:
Yes restoration of the people. That is what it has always been about

Back to people again...

I don't agree with your assessment of Jeremiah 31:22 either but I'm pointing out how you cant event stay consistent in your own thoughts to what the text is even saying.

Now, back to Jeremiah ... It's still a restoration, not brand new otherwise you would have another instance like Sinai with the giving of the new law. ALL God said was he was going to take his law and put them in the hearts and minds of the people. So if you want to say "brand new" then whats the new rules? Murder, theft, lying, adultery not apart of these new rules? Where's the list? Your point doesn't even make logical sense.

HIM · May 14, 2026

Delvianna said:
Oh my goodness gracious the mental gymnastics you take... The topic doesn't change the context. If the context is renewed, just because its people vs covenant doesn't automatically change the context to brand new. Then you contradict yourself...

Now you’re playing games.

No mental gymnastics, Not one contradiction. Insults always start when one’s back is against the wall

This is way more than 2, Kicking the dust off my heals, take care.

Delvianna · May 14, 2026

HIM said:
Now you’re playing games.

No mental gymnastics, Not one contradiction. Insults always start when one’s back is against the wall

This is way more than 2, Kicking the dust off my heals, take care.

I literally showed you how youre contradicting yourself. Thats an observation, not an insult. And because of the contradictions, its a lot of mental gymnastics youre making. Again, observation of your actions, not an insult.

Take care though.

HIM · May 14, 2026

Delvianna said:
I literally showed you how youre contradicting yourself. Thats an observation, not an insult. And because of the contradictions, its a lot of mental gymnastics youre making. Again, observation of your actions, not an insult.

Take care though.

Just have to say something huh?

I as well. You showed nothing

Delvianna · May 14, 2026

HIM said:
Just have to say something huh?

I as well. You showed nothing

Lol ok then.

DamianWarS · May 23, 2026

HIM said:
(Staff edit)Let's take a look at Chadash, chadesh.

Without me watching an hour and a half video to find your evidence. I assume the leg you stand on is the Masoretic text use of the vowel marks is incorrect because the Scrolls found Quran caves do not support it. Am I right?

That my friend poses a serious issue.

If my search engine is correct, the Holy Writ in respect to "Chadesh" has 63 Occurrences if we do away with the vowel marks. That leaves us in the dark; subject to our own interpretation, or us thinking we are led by God's Spirit or prayerfully us being led by God's Holy Spirit. And or us relying on the LXX as the given interpretation, through our own interpretation of it or through God's Spirit. Which is still subject to ours's at times, as is the Masoretic due to not hearing God's voice at times or not at all as we might be caught up in ourselves.

Out of the 63 only 20 use the suffix ה in the spelling חֲדָשָׁה֙. As you might know the suffix denotes permanence, state of being. In other words makes the word a noun not a verb. Here they are.

Lev 23:16 עַ֣ד ʿa֣ḏ Even unto מִֽ mīֽמָּחֳרַ֤ת moḥŏra֤ṯ the morrow הַ haשַּׁבָּת֙ śּaboṯ֙ sabbath הַ haשְּׁבִיעִ֔ת śּəḇîʿī֔ṯ after the seventh תִּסְפְּר֖וּ tīsəpər֖ûi shall ye number חֲמִשִּׁ֣ים ḥămīśּī֣ym fifty י֑וֹם y֑ôm days וְ wəהִקְרַבְתֶּ֛ם hīqəraḇəte֛m and ye shall offer מִנְחָ֥ה mīnəḥo֥h meat offering חֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h a new לַ laיהוָֽה׃ yhwoֽh. unto the LORD

A new meat offering not renewed

Num 28:26 וּ ûiבְ ḇəי֣וֹם y֣ôm Also in the day הַ haבִּכּוּרִ֗ים bīkûirī֗ym of the firstfruits בְּ bəהַקְרִ֨יבְ haqərī֨yḇəכֶ֜ם ḵe֜m when ye bring מִנְחָ֤ה mīnəḥo֤h meat offering חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new לַֽ laֽיהוָ֔ה yhwo֔h unto the LORD בְּ bəשָׁבֻעֹ֖תֵי śoḇūʿō֖ṯêכֶ֑ם ḵe֑m after your weeks מִֽקְרָא־ mīֽqəroʾ- convocation קֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ qō֙ḏeś֙ [be out] ye shall have an holy יִהְיֶ֣ה yīhəye֣h shall have לָ loכֶ֔ם ḵe֔m כָּל־ kol- all manner מְלֶ֥אכֶת məle֥ʾḵeṯ work עֲבֹדָ֖ה ʿăḇōḏo֖h no servile לֹ֥א lō֥ʾ not תַעֲשֽׂוּ׃ ṯaʿăšֽûi. ye shall do

A new meat offering not renewed

Deut 24:5 כִּֽי־ kīֽy- When יִקַּ֥ח yīqa֥ḥ hath taken אִישׁ֙ ʾîś֙ When a man אִשָּׁ֣ה ʾīśּo֣h wife חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h a new לֹ֤א lō֤ʾ nor יֵצֵא֙ yēṣēʾ֙ he shall not go out בַּ baצָּבָ֔א ṣoḇo֔ʾ to war וְ wəלֹא־ lōʾ- nor יַעֲבֹ֥ר yaʿăḇō֥r neither shall he be charged עָלָ֖י ʿolo֖yו w with לְ ləכָל־ ḵol- any דָּבָ֑ר doḇo֑r with any business נָקִ֞י noqī֞y [but] he shall be free יִהְיֶ֤ה yīhəye֤h become לְ ləבֵית ḇêṯוֹ֙ ô֙ at home שָׁנָ֣ה śono֣h year אֶחָ֔ת ʾeḥo֔ṯ one וְ wəשִׂמַּ֖ח šīma֖ḥ and shall cheer up אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אִשְׁתּ֥ ʾīśət֥וֹ ô his wife אֲשֶׁר־ ʾăśer- whom לָקָֽח׃ loqoֽḥ. which he hath taken ס s

A new wife not renewed

Josh 15:37 צְנָ֥ן ṣəno֥n Zenan וַ waחֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h and Hadashah וּ ûiמִגְדַּל־ mīḡədal- גָּֽד׃ goֽḏ. and Migdalgad

Name of a city

1Sam 6:7 וְ wəעַתָּ֗ה ʿato֗h Now קְח֨וּ qəḥ֨ûi and take וַ waעֲשׂ֜וּ ʿăš֜ûi Now therefore make עֲגָלָ֤ה ʿăḡolo֤h cart חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ new אֶחָ֔ת ʾeḥo֔ṯ a וּ ûiשְׁתֵּ֤י śətē֤y two פָרוֹת֙ p̄orôṯ֙ kine עָל֔וֹת ʿol֔ôṯ milch אֲשֶׁ֛ר ʾăśe֛r which לֹא־ lōʾ- has never עָלָ֥ה ʿolo֥h on which there hath come עֲלֵי ʿălêהֶ֖ם he֖m and עֹ֑ל ʿō֑l no yoke וַ waאֲסַרְתֶּ֤ם ʾăsarəte֤m and tie אֶת־ ʾeṯ- הַ haפָּרוֹת֙ porôṯ֙ the kine בָּ boעֲגָלָ֔ה ʿăḡolo֔h to the cart וַ waהֲשֵׁיבֹתֶ֧ם hăśêḇōṯe֧m and bring בְּנֵי bənêהֶ֛ם he֛m their calves מֵ mēאַחֲרֵי ʾaḥărêהֶ֖ם he֖m from them הַ haבָּֽיְתָ boֽyəṯoה׃ h. home

New cart not renewed

2Sam 6:3 וַ waיַּרְכִּ֜בוּ yarəkī֜ḇûi And they set אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אֲר֤וֹן ʾăr֤ôn the ark הָֽ hoֽאֱלֹהִים֙ ʾĕlōhîm֙ of God אֶל־ ʾel- about עֲגָלָ֣ה ʿăḡolo֣h cart חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h upon a new וַ waיִּשָּׂאֻ֔ yīšּoʾū֔הוּ hûi and brought מִ mīבֵּ֥ית bē֥yṯ it out of the house אֲבִינָדָ֖ב ʾăḇînoḏo֖ḇ of Abinadab אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r which בַּ baגִּבְעָ֑ה gīḇəʿo֑h the hill וְ wəעֻזָּ֣א ʿūzo֣ʾ and Uzzah וְ wəאַחְי֗וֹ ʾaḥəy֗ô and Ahio בְּנֵי֙ bənê֙ the sons אֲבִ֣ינָדָ֔ב ʾăḇī֣ynoḏo֔ḇ of Abinadab נֹהֲגִ֖ים nōhăḡī֖ym drave אֶת־ ʾeṯ- הָ hoעֲגָלָ֥ה ʿăḡolo֥h cart חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. the new

New cart not renewed.

2Sam 21:16 [וְיִשְׁבֹּו wəyīśəbōw כ ḵ ] (וְיִשְׁבִּ֨י wəyīśəbī֨y ק q ) בְּנֹ֜ב bənō֜ḇ And Ishbibenob אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r ׀ ׀ who בִּ bīילִידֵ֣י ylîḏē֣y which [was] of the sons הָ hoרָפָ֗ה rop̄o֗h of the giant וּ ûiמִשְׁקַ֤ל mīśəqa֤l the weight קֵינ qênוֹ֙ ô֙ of whose spear שְׁלֹ֤שׁ śəlō֤ś [weighed] three מֵאוֹת֙ mēʾôṯ֙ hundred מִשְׁקַ֣ל mīśəqa֣l in weight נְחֹ֔שֶׁת nəḥō֔śeṯ [shekels] of brass וְ wəה֖וּא h֖ûiʾ he חָג֣וּר ḥoḡ֣ûir he being girded חֲדָשָׁ֑ה ḥăḏośo֑h with a new וַ waיֹּ֖אמֶר yō֖ʾmer [sword] thought לְ ləהַכּ֥וֹת hak֥ôṯ to have slain אֶת־ ʾeṯ- דָּוִֽד׃ dowīֽḏ. David

Girded with a new not renewed

1Kgs 11:29 וַֽ waֽיְהִי֙ yəhî֙ came בָּ boעֵ֣ת ʿē֣ṯ And it came to pass at that time הַ haהִ֔יא hī֔yʾ he וְ wəיָֽרָבְעָ֖ם yoֽroḇəʿo֖m when Jeroboam יָצָ֣א yoṣo֣ʾ went out מִ mīירוּשָׁלִָ֑ם yrûiśolīo֑m of Jerusalem וַ waיִּמְצָ֣א yīməṣo֣ʾ found אֹת֡ ʾōṯ֡וֹ ô אֲחִיָּה֩ ʾăḥîּâ֩ Ahijah הַ haשִּׁילֹנִ֨י śּîlōnī֨y the Shilonite הַ haנָּבִ֜יא noḇī֜yʾ that the prophet בַּ baדֶּ֗רֶךְ de֗reḵə him in the way וְ wəה֤וּא h֤ûiʾ now Ahijah מִתְכַּסֶּה֙ mīṯəkaseh֙ and he had clad בְּ bəשַׂלְמָ֣ה šaləmo֣h garment חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h himself with a new וּ ûiשְׁנֵי śənêהֶ֥ם he֥m and they two לְ ləבַדָּ֖ ḇado֖ם m were alone בַּ baשָּׂדֶֽה׃ šּoḏeֽh. [were] alone in the field

A new garment not renewed

1Kgs 11:30 וַ waיִּתְפֹּ֣שׂ yīṯəpō֣š caught אֲחִיָּ֔ה ʾăḥîּo֔h And Ahijah בַּ baשַּׂלְמָ֥ה šּaləmo֥h garment הַ haחֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h the new אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r which עָלָ֑י ʿolo֑yו w was on וַ waיִּ֨קְרָעֶ֔ yī֨qəroʿe֔הָ ho that [was] on him and rent שְׁנֵ֥ים śənē֥ym both עָשָׂ֖ר ʿošo֖r ten קְרָעִֽים׃ qəroʿīֽym. pieces

New garment rent in 12 pieces not renewed

2Kgs 2:20 וַ waיֹּ֗אמֶר yō֗ʾmer And he said קְחוּ־ qəḥûi- Bring לִ līי֙ y֙ צְלֹחִ֣ית ṣəlōḥī֣yṯ cruse חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h me a new וְ wəשִׂ֥ימוּ šī֥ymûi and put שָׁ֖ם śo֖m in it מֶ֑לַח me֑laḥ salt וַ waיִּקְח֖וּ yīqəḥ֖ûi therein And they brought אֵלָֽי ʾēloֽyו׃ w. about

A new cruse not renewed

1Chr 13:7 וַ waיַּרְכִּ֜יבוּ yarəkī֜yḇûi And they carried אֶת־ ʾeṯ- אֲר֤וֹן ʾăr֤ôn the ark הָ hoאֱלֹהִים֙ ʾĕlōhîm֙ of God עַל־ ʿal- and עֲגָלָ֣ה ʿăḡolo֣h cart חֲדָשָׁ֔ה ḥăḏośo֔h in a new מִ mīבֵּ֖ית bē֖yṯ out of the house אֲבִינָדָ֑ב ʾăḇînoḏo֑ḇ of Abinadab וְ wəעֻזָּ֣א ʿūzo֣ʾ and Uzza וְ wəאַחְי֔וֹ ʾaḥəy֔ô and Ahio נֹהֲגִ֖ים nōhăḡī֖ym drave בָּ boעֲגָלָֽה׃ ʿăḡoloֽh. the cart

A new cart not renewed

2Chr 20:5 וַ waיַּעֲמֹ֣ד yaʿămō֣ḏ stood יְהוֹשָׁפָ֗ט yəhôśop̄o֗ṭ And Jehoshaphat בִּ bīקְהַ֧ל qəha֧l in the congregation יְהוּדָ֛ה yəhûiḏo֛h of Judah וִ wīירוּשָׁלִַ֖ם yrûiśolīa֖m and Jerusalem בְּ bəבֵ֣ית ḇē֣yṯ in the house יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h of the LORD לִ līפְנֵ֖י p̄ənē֖y before הֶ heחָצֵ֥ר ḥoṣē֥r court הַ haחֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. the new

This one could go either way. New court or renewed. But I tend to think it is new because when Asa heard and heeded the Prophet Oded he addressed the altar. In the KJV it says renewed the Alter in 2 Chron 15:8. But since it was desecrated I think the old was destroyed and another was built. At this time the court would have rebuilt also being desecrated. Couple that with the fact that all the evidence thus far shows us when the word is used with the spelling being the way it is in Jer 31:31-33 it is in relation with something being New not renewed.

Isa 43:19 הִנְ hīnəנִ֨י nī֨y behold עֹשֶׂ֤ה ʿōše֤h Behold I will do חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new thing עַתָּ֣ה ʿato֣h Now תִצְמָ֔ח ṯīṣəmo֔ḥ now it shall spring forth הֲ hăל֖וֹא l֖ôʾ not תֵֽדָע֑וּ ṯēֽḏoʿ֑ûiהָ ho shall ye not know אַ֣ף ʾa֣p̄ will even אָשִׂ֤ים ʾošī֤ym it? I will even make בַּ baמִּדְבָּר֙ mīḏəbor֙ in the wilderness דֶּ֔רֶךְ de֔reḵə a way בִּֽ bīֽישִׁמ֖וֹן yśīm֖ôn in the desert נְהָרֽוֹת׃ nəhorֽôṯ. [and] rivers

A new thing not renewed according to context.

Isa 65:17 כִּֽי־ kīֽy- for הִנְ hīnəנִ֥י nī֥y behold בוֹרֵ֛א ḇôrē֛ʾ For behold I create שָׁמַ֥יִם śoma֥yīm heavens חֲדָשִׁ֖ים ḥăḏośī֖ym new וָ woאָ֣רֶץ ʾo֣reṣ earth חֲדָשָׁ֑ה ḥăḏośo֑h and a new וְ wəלֹ֤א lō֤ʾ not תִזָּכַ֙רְנָה֙ ṯīzoḵa֙rənâ֙ shall not be remembered הָ hoרִ֣אשֹׁנ֔וֹת rī֣ʾśōn֔ôṯ and the former וְ wəלֹ֥א lō֥ʾ or תַעֲלֶ֖ינָה ṯaʿăle֖ynâ nor come עַל־ ʿal- unto לֵֽב׃ lēֽḇ. into mind

Here we have a contrast which is nice. We have in respect the new heavens חֲדָשִׁ֖ים. As you can see this time the word in question has the suffix ם. As you might know this modifies the word to it's masculine plural form. (I will look more in depth at it's uses later) And we have חֲדָשָׁ֑ה in respect to the earth being new or renewed. Peter prophesying in regard to the day of the Lord in 2Pet 3:10 says the earth shall λύω in the Greek. Translated melt in the KJV but is defined, loosened in the sense of being destroyed in the BDAG Lexicon. The citation is below for your convenience. With this in mind we see that the earth being melted (loosened) by fervent heat is not the same as it being decimated, raised like a city that can be rebuilt from the ruins, renewed. If it is dissolved it has no form and must be made NEW.

2 Pet 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

BDAG: to reduce someth. by violence into its components, destroy (Iren. 1, 8, 1 [Harv. I 67, 9]), of a building tear down (Il. 16, 10; X., An. 2, 4, 17f; Herodian 7, 1, 7; 1 Esdr 1:52; Jos., Bell. 6, 32; SibOr 3, 409) τ. ναὸν τοῦτον J 2:19. τὸ μεσότοιχον Eph 2:14 (in imagery).—ἡ πρύμνα ἐλύετο the stern began to break up Ac 27:41 (PLond III 1164h, 19 p. 164 [III A.D.] uses λ. of the dismantling of a ship). Of the parts of the universe, as it is broken up and destroyed in the final conflagration 2 Pt 3:10–12

Isa 66:22 כִּ֣י kī֣y for כַ ḵaאֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r Which הַ haשָּׁמַ֣יִם śּoma֣yīm heavens הַ֠ ha֠חֳדָשִׁים ḥŏḏośîm For as the new וְ wəהָ hoאָ֨רֶץ ʾo֨reṣ earth הַ ha חֲדָשָׁ֜ה ḥăḏośo֜h and the new אֲשֶׁ֨ר ʾăśe֨r Which אֲנִ֥י ʾănī֥y I עֹשֶׂ֛ה ʿōše֛h which I will make עֹמְדִ֥ים ʿōməḏī֥ym shall remain לְ ləפָנַ֖ p̄ona֖י y before נְאֻם־ nəʾūm- me saith יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h the LORD כֵּ֛ן kē֛n So יַעֲמֹ֥ד yaʿămō֥ḏ remain זַרְעֲ zarəʿăכֶ֖ם ḵe֖m so shall your seed וְ wəשִׁמְ śīməכֶֽם׃ ḵeֽm. and your name

New not renew for He will make not remake. For the FIRST Earth and Heaven shall melt, disolve with fervent and shall be no more.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Jer 31:22 עַד־ ʿaḏ- against מָתַי֙ moṯai֙ How תִּתְחַמָּקִ֔י tīṯəḥamoqī֔yן n How long wilt thou go about הַ haבַּ֖ת ba֖ṯ first הַ haשּֽׁוֹבֵבָ֑ה śּֽôḇēḇo֑h O thou backsliding כִּֽי־ kīֽy- for בָרָ֨א ḇoro֨ʾ hath created יְהוָ֤ה yəhwo֤h the Lord חֲדָשָׁה֙ ḥăḏośâ֙ a new thing בָּ boאָ֔רֶץ ʾo֔reṣ in the earth נְקֵבָ֖ה nəqēḇo֖h A woman תְּס֥וֹבֵֽב təs֥ôḇēֽḇ shall compass גָּֽבֶר׃ goֽḇer. a man ס s

The Lord have CREATED a new thing in the earth a women shall compass a man. New not renewed for it is not like anything before. It is created, new.

Jer 31:31 הִנֵּ֛ה hīnē֛h Behold יָמִ֥ים yomī֥ym Behold the days בָּאִ֖ים boʾī֖ym come נְאֻם־ nəʾūm- saith יְהוָ֑ה yəhwo֑h the LORD וְ wəכָרַתִּ֗י ḵoratī֗y that I will make אֶת־ ʾeṯ- with בֵּ֧ית bē֧yṯ with the house יִשְׂרָאֵ֛ל yīšəroʾē֛l of Israel וְ wəאֶת־ ʾeṯ- and with בֵּ֥ית bē֥yṯ and with the house יְהוּדָ֖ה yəhûiḏo֖h of Judah בְּרִ֥ית bərī֥yṯ covenant חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ ḥăḏośoֽh. a new

With verse 22's use of the word in question we find ourselves Here we are at the verse in questioned and the context of the passages should be enough for you along with the evidence thus far. What do I mean by context? The text literally says that this new covenant is not like the covenant before. Therefore It is new not renewed. Especially considering how it was just used in Jer 31:22

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Ezek 11:19 וְ wəנָתַתִּ֤י noṯatī֤y And I will give לָ loהֶם֙ hem֙ לֵ֣ב lē֣ḇ heart אֶחָ֔ד ʾeḥo֔ḏ them one וְ wəר֥וּחַ r֥ûiḥa spirit חֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h a new אֶתֵּ֣ן ʾetē֣n and I will put בְּ bəקִרְבְּ qīrəbəכֶ֑ם ḵe֑m within וַ waהֲסִ֨רֹתִ֜י hăsī֨rōṯī֜y you and I will take לֵ֤ב lē֤ḇ heart הָ hoאֶ֙בֶן֙ ʾe֙ḇen֙ the stony מִ mīבְּשָׂרָ֔ bəšoro֔ם m out of their flesh וְ wəנָתַתִּ֥י noṯatī֥y and will give לָ loהֶ֖ם he֖m לֵ֥ב lē֥ḇ them an heart בָּשָֽׂר׃ bošoֽr. of flesh

He will give us One heart with a new Spirit, His.

Ezek 18:31 הַשְׁלִ֣יכוּ haśəlī֣yḵûi Cast away מֵ mēעֲלֵי ʿălêכֶ֗ם ḵe֗m and אֶת־ ʾeṯ- כָּל־ kol- all פִּשְׁעֵי pīśəʿêכֶם֙ ḵem֙ from you all your transgressions אֲשֶׁ֣ר ʾăśe֣r which פְּשַׁעְתֶּ֣ם pəśaʿəte֣m whereby ye have transgressed בָּ֔ bo֔ם m וַ waעֲשׂ֥וּ ʿăš֥ûi and make לָ loכֶ֛ם ḵe֛m לֵ֥ב lē֥ḇ heart חָדָ֖שׁ ḥoḏo֖ś you a new וְ wəר֣וּחַ r֣ûiḥa spirit חֲדָשָׁ֑ה ḥăḏośo֑h and a new וְ wəלָ֥ lo֥מָּה mâ why תָמֻ֖תוּ ṯomū֖ṯûi for why will ye die בֵּ֥ית bē֥yṯ O house יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃ yīšəroʾēֽl. Israel

A new Spirit not renewed for we did not have the right Spirit, His in the first place

Ezek 36:26 וְ wəנָתַתִּ֤י noṯatī֤y also will I give לָ loכֶם֙ ḵem֙ לֵ֣ב lē֣ḇ heart חָדָ֔שׁ ḥoḏo֔ś A new וְ wəר֥וּחַ r֥ûiḥa spirit חֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥăḏośo֖h you and a new אֶתֵּ֣ן ʾetē֣n will I put בְּ bəקִרְבְּ qīrəbəכֶ֑ם ḵe֑m within וַ waהֲסִ֨רֹתִ֜י hăsī֨rōṯī֜y you and I will take away אֶת־ ʾeṯ- לֵ֤ב lē֤ḇ heart הָ hoאֶ֙בֶן֙ ʾe֙ḇen֙ the stony מִ mīבְּשַׂרְ bəšarəכֶ֔ם ḵe֔m out of your flesh וְ wəנָתַתִּ֥י noṯatī֥y and I will give לָ loכֶ֖ם ḵe֖m לֵ֥ב lē֥ḇ you an heart בָּשָֽׂר׃ bošoֽr. of flesh

Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The evidence in respect to the Hebrew word that is translated new in Jer 31;31-33 and the Greek word translated new in the LXX is overwhelmingly against what you are sharing my friend. I pray you, @SabbathBlessings and others reconsider.

We have the luxury of having Jer 31 as part of the NT canon, and there's no need to take out the LXX. The reference in Hebrews should be the preferred reading, as it is being established uniquely within the new covenant framework so the phrasing would be important.

Jer 31:31/Heb 8:8 is typically the target verses (which interestingly have a satisfying cemetry to them with 31:31 and 8:8). What stands out to me is the contrast it shows v31 "...I will make a new covenant..." then v32 "...It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors..." There isn't a translation I could find that doesn't use the word "new". Hebrews 8:8 "...I will establish a new covenant..." v9 "...not like the covenant that I made with their fathers..." So there is a covenant established, then a new covenant will be established, unlike the former. It seems pretty spelt out here, but for those not quite sure, Hebrews 8:13 makes it even clearer "In speaking of a new covenant, [Christ] makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews is likely written before the AD 70 destruction of the temple as it speaks of active temple worship but at the same time quite close to this date often cited in the 60s. So the line "And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" seems a sobering reality, knowing that these are the last years the temple sacrifice will take place.

HIM · May 25, 2026

DamianWarS said:
We have the luxury of having Jer 31 as part of the NT canon, and there's no need to take out the LXX.

The writer of Hebrews quoted from the LXX in Heb 8:8.

The post that shows the use of the word in the LXX is extremely important. It shows how the word was used elsewhere. This leaves no doubt that it is a new covenant not renewed. It was posted to someone else to show them that they were wrong in that they said that the Greek word should be interpreted renewed in Jer 31.

The fact that they never responded should tell them and everyone else that was watching that they should stop sharing that falsehood.

HIM · May 25, 2026

DamianWarS said:
There isn't a translation I could find that doesn't use the word "new". Hebrews 8:8 "

The TS2009 which I like, mistakenly does

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה yhwh, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah a renewed covenant,

DamianWarS said:
...I will establish a new covenant..." v9 "...not like the covenant that I made with their fathers..." So there is a covenant established, then a new covenant will be established, unlike the former. It seems pretty spelt out here,

Yep that was shared also.

DamianWarS said:
but for those not quite sure, Hebrews 8:13 makes it even clearer "In speaking of a new covenant, [Christ] makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Ready to vanish, not vanished.

Your following statement is speculation in regard to this verse.

DamianWarS said:
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" seems a sobering reality, knowing that these are the last years the temple sacrifice will take place.

Soyeong · May 25, 2026

God's character traits are eternal there is a reality that is true about the way to know God through embodying character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through God's covenants, and which is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalm 119:160), so anyone who has the goal of knowing God through embodying His righteousness will consider any instructions that God has given to be eternal and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant they are under. For instance, being a doer of charity was a to embody God's righteousness before God made any covenants with man, so that an eternally valid way to know God. In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through the Torah.

In Deuteronomy 30, it forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Torah, which is what Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are in regard to, where God will put the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and where God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah. The character traits of God are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the the role of leading us to be the Torah.

New Covenants do not nullify the promises of covenants that have already been ratified, so God's covenants are eternal and cumulatively valid. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that were not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

The fault that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His righteousness and righteous laws, but rather the fault that He found was with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the solution to the problem was not for God to do away with His righteousness and righteous laws, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying them. This is why the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirement of the Torah (Romans 8:3-4), God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, and God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through is works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or in order to free us to become doers of what the Torah reveals to be sin, but rather the it still involves following the Torah. The way to know and to believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Torah was given in order to teach how to embody is by following Christ example of obedience to it regardless of whether we are under the New or Renewed Covenant while the way to refuse to know Him and to reject His existence is forsaking the Torah (Jeremiah 9:1-13).

DamianWarS · May 25, 2026

HIM said:
The TS2009 which I like, mistakenly does

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה yhwh, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah a renewed covenant,

I don't take issue with the word, it depends the intent of being used but it would seem an overwhelming amount of translations agree that this word is new.

HIM said:
Yep that was shared also.

this is disengaging from the point. The language used is new covenant vs not like the former and in Hebrews it continues this new/old contrast.

HIM said:
Ready to vanish, not vanished.

HIM said:
Your following statement is speculation in regard to this verse.

the link is speculation, the event and placement around the passage is historical. The passage already calls it obsolete how "vanish" aligns with historic events is arbitrary.

HIM · May 26, 2026

DamianWarS said:
the link is speculation,

Yes

DamianWarS said:
the event and placement around the passage is historical. The passage already calls it obsolete how "vanish" aligns with historic events is arbitrary.

No your translation calls it obsolete.

The actual text says being old, growing old is near disappearing.

You are saying more than what is stated.

Saying the destruction of the Temple has something to do with this ignores the fact that the Covenant changed upon the resurrection and Jesus' assent.

HIM · May 26, 2026

Soyeong said:
God's character traits are eternal there is a reality that is true about the way to know God through embodying character traits that was true before God made any covenants with man, which has been revealed through God's covenants, and which is true regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalm 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalm 119:160), so anyone who has the goal of knowing God through embodying His righteousness will consider any instructions that God has given to be eternal and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant they are under. For instance, being a doer of charity was a to embody God's righteousness before God made any covenants with man, so that an eternally valid way to know God. In Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through the Torah.

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Soyeong said:
In Deuteronomy 30, it forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile,

No, it spoken in the present tense not future.

Soyeong said:
God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Torah, which is what Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are in regard to, where God will put the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and where God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah. The character traits of God are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the the role of leading us to be the Torah.

New Covenants do not nullify the promises of covenants that have already been ratified, so God's covenants are eternal and cumulatively valid. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that were not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

It would be more aptly put that we are of the Torah rather than following it. It is part of who we are in Christ, for it is in our hearts and minds we are of the same Spirit. It is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

The old will be until sin is no more. For it shows those of us who are outside what sin is.

Hence it stating Heb 8:13 that it is old, growing old and ready to vanish away and not has vanished.

Soyeong said:
The fault that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with His righteousness and righteous laws, but rather the fault that He found was with the people for not continuing in their covenant (Hebrews 8:7-9), so the solution to the problem was not for God to do away with His righteousness and righteous laws, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying them. This is why the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirement of the Torah (Romans 8:3-4), God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, and God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33).

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Soyeong said:
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through is works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or in order to free us to become doers of what the Torah reveals to be sin, but rather the it still involves following the Torah. The way to know and to believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Torah was given in order to teach how to embody is by following Christ example of obedience to it regardless of whether we are under the New or Renewed Covenant while the way to refuse to know Him and to reject His existence is forsaking the Torah (Jeremiah 9:1-13).

We follow the Torah through the Spirit through Christ.

We are dead but alive. Yet not us, but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us.

New not renewed Covenant

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