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In relation to the topic? You'll have to spell it out to me, if you want me to consider it.
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In relation to the topic? You'll have to spell it out to me, if you want me to consider it.
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There are large bodies of knowledge about the philosophy of science and the ethics of science. They get along just fine without any recourse to a putative 'religion of science'.
It doesn't take an appeal to the divine (or much smarts at all) to understand why scientists developed a strain of rice with beta carotene to combat vitamin A deficiency, rather than developing a strain of rice that produces cyanide.
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God brings faith and science together by gifting us scientists and knowledgeable men and women who have an ability to "pick up on their crafts" faster than others.
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None of which, even if fully agreed to, would necessitate "religion" as a purpose or ethic.
The coffeemaker I do not own only exists for a purpose external to itself -- to make morning coffee. It possess no self-motivation.
I see, we are going to just assume Weinberg was ethical and purposeful and then assign that to his culture. I also see you "Judeo-"ed the Christian "basis" for science as his name "looks Jewish". [It looks German to me. I knew people with that name who were not Jewish.] That American culture he comes from contains a lot of ethical considerations that don't come from Jewish or Christian theology. In school I don't remember getting any of those explicitly "J/C" morals or ethics, but I do remember ones taken from Confucius and Aesop.
An odd thing to say.
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IF E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude...
Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma. C2 in the denominator makes for a lot of energy within the atom.
I have 30 years experience with spectrometers including atomic absorbant, ICP plasma, and optical emissions spectrometry.. To find the concentration of an element you must first turn it into plasma and then measure the unique intensity of the emissions or absorbances. Each spectrometer will have a prism to separate the wavelength of light. All of this is M=E/c2 put into practice. One day God will put the whole show into practice as he turns the entire mass of the universe back into plasma energy...
The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma. C2 in the denominator makes for a lot of energy within the atom.
I have 30 years experience with spectrometers including atomic absorbant, ICP plasma, and optical emissions spectrometry.. To find the concentration of an element you must first turn it into plasma and then measure the unique intensity of the emissions or absorbances. Each spectrometer will have a prism to separate the wavelength of light. All of this is M=E/c2 put into practice. One day God will put the whole show into practice as he turns the entire mass of the universe back into plasma energy...
The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
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What is your point? I get the loosely implied definition of gifted, what are you trying to convey here?
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You are on the wrong thread. Your failures to understand mass-energy equivalence is not relevant or on topic.
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Basic algebra.
God makes it eternal -- not algebra.
Only on paper.
Put there by God himself.
Nice.
I have zero.
Great.
Neat.
Okay?
"Back in plasma energy" assumes it was all plasma energy in the first place -- which it wasn't.
Mass came into existence ex nihilo and fully functional, without going through any steps.
Yes, indeed.
Per Colossians the credit for the strong nuclear force belongs to Jesus.
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
God operates on a timetable, and when the time comes, Jesus is going to revoke the strong nuclear force, and the universe as we know it is going to go bye-bye.
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Give me the ability to split heavy elements and I will show you the power of c2 in the denominator. In the meantime just look up at our sun!
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That your statement here ...
... is wrong.
And what is your point about "loosely implied definition of gifted" supposed to mean?
That was a pretty thorough definition, if you ask me.
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If his post is wrong, I fail to see where it is.
Algebra would disagree with you two.
The only thing I think he is wrong about is the idea of mass having existed as plasma before it became mass.
Thus he is mathematically correct, but theologically wrong.
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E=mc² isn't just algebra where anything in it can substituted for anything else. It's a clear and specific formula that applies to one thing and one thing only. It's not our fault that he's unable to understand that fact and applies it to anything and everything he wants to.
He doesn't know what he's talking about, it's not relevant to the thread at all, and you don't know what you're talking about either.
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So why can't you value those things without religion? Your assertion is directly contradicted by experience
You seem to say that a gifted person is one that picks up things quickly, but you didn't say it explicitly. Does it apply to all things? How fast does it have to be, in order to say that someone is gifted? It is a sloppy definition.
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People used a scientific invention (C₂₀H₂₅N₃O) to do just that.
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The Sun does not work by the splitting of heavy elements and this is not relevant to the thread. Please stop.
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I'm going to disagree with you here.
But it is also basic algebra as well.
Again I'm going to disagree.
If it works one way, it should work another.
The only thing I see wrong is his assumption that it existed as plasma before becoming mass.
Theologically, no.
Mathematically, yes.
It is an attempt to wed science and faith.
I'm sorry you don't see that.
I never do here.
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I'm going to disagree with you here.
But it is also basic algebra as well.
Again I'm going to disagree.
If it works one way, it should work another.
The only thing I see wrong is his assumption that it existed as plasma before becoming mass.
Theologically, no.
Mathematically, yes.
It is an attempt to wed science and faith.
I'm sorry you don't see that.
I never do here.
I'm just going to repeat what I said, since it's really the only answer I can give here:
He doesn't know what he's talking about, it's not relevant to the thread at all, and you don't know what you're talking about either.
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Um ... if God didn't exist, where would these gifts come from?
Whatever that meant.
Post 243 please.
"God brings faith and science together by gifting us scientists and knowledgeable men and women who have an ability to pick up on their crafts faster than others."
By "faster than others" I meant "quickly."
Have a nice day.
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