Trump fired the entire National Science Board yesterday!

dlamberth · Apr 27, 2026

I'm not at all understanding the attack on science. It's the weirdest thing to me. This action by Trump will have a huge negative impact on research by academic scientist. It's like we're in a society that values anti-intellectualism. I don't know how true this might be, but it feels to me like there is a active movement in the dumbing down of America. To what end I don't know. But it both concerns and saddens me.

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-fires-nsf-s-oversight-board

Maria Billingsley · Apr 27, 2026

dlamberth said:
I'm not at all understanding the attack on science. It's the weirdest thing to me. This action by Trump will have a huge negative impact on research by academic scientist. It's like we're in a society that values anti-intellectualism. I don't know how true this might be, but it feels to me like there is a active movement in the dumbing down of America. To what end I don't know. But it both concerns and saddens me.

https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-fires-nsf-s-oversight-board

It is Project 2025 from the Heritage Foundation. This is the administration's playbook. Here is more detail:

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The firing of the entire **National Science Board (NSB)** on Friday, April 24, 2026, directly executes the **"Unitary Executive"** strategy detailed in the Heritage Foundation’s **Mandate for Leadership** (Project 2025). The document explicitly advocates for dismantling the independence of federal agencies by removing the "insulation" of non-partisan boards and using **Schedule F** authority to replace long-term, staggered-term experts with political loyalists. This move mirrors specific proposals in **Chapter 21 (Department of Commerce)** and **Chapter 13 (EPA)** to eliminate advisory bodies that act as a "fourth branch of government," clearing the path for the administration to bypass scientific consensus and "delete" research related to climate change, social equity, and public health as mandated in the project's core directives.

Ophiolite · Apr 29, 2026

dlamberth said:
It's like we're in a society that values anti-intellectualism

I was surprised to see this comment from you, given what I consider to be your astute reading of situations, arguments, etc. Anti-intellectualism has been rife in the US, the UK and, I suspect, much of the Western world for decades.

As an outsider who worked most of my working life for American firms and spent much time in the US, I would argue that anti-intellectualism is inherent in a large body of the US population. It's just that KIng Trump has empowered that segment.

I suggest it is built in part on the insipid brainwashing that led a significant proportion of Americans to believe the lie that they were the greatest country in the world. My apologies to all those Americans who always knew it was lie. I imagine it was embarrassing for you, until it became an existential threat.

AV1611VET · May 1, 2026

dlamberth said:
This action by Trump will have a huge negative impact on research by academic scientist.

How do you know?

How do you know that those who take their place won't do a better job?

Is there something you know that you're not telling us?

Ophiolite · May 3, 2026

AV1611VET said:
How do you know?

How do you know that those who take their place won't do a better job?

Is there something you know that you're not telling us?

Perhaps you were unaware that competence, commitment, intellect, experience, lack of bias, a desire to contribute to the public good and the readiness to speak truth to power were more important than being an agenda driven, subservient, self interested hack. Lacking that knowledge, I can see why you would ask the question.

Lukaris · May 3, 2026

From post #3: ”I suggest it is built in part on the insipid brainwashing that led a significant proportion of Americans to believe the lie that they were the greatest country in the world”

An American patriot can understand the defects of the US knowing it is a lesser of evils and try to live by the golden rule as a philosophy. Making the right decisions is the challenge of any secular society.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Ophiolite said:
Perhaps you were unaware that competence, commitment, intellect, experience, lack of bias, a desire to contribute to the public good and the readiness to speak truth to power ...

Sounds like you know them better than our president does.

Or are you just automatically assuming that because they are scientists?

Ophiolite · May 3, 2026

Lukaris said:
From post #3: ”I suggest it is built in part on the insipid brainwashing that led a significant proportion of Americans to believe the lie that they were the greatest country in the world”

An American patriot can understand the defects of the US knowing it is a lesser of evils and try to live by the golden rule as a philosophy. Making the right decisions is the challenge of any secular society.

I think we are probably in agreement, but your reaction to a couple of observations will confirm or refute that. While the US is certainly, in its society, culture and politics, is the lesser of some evils, in some cases ranks quite high up the evil spectrum. For example, its health system is a disgrace and shows what happens when a society decides not to live by the golden rule. And, I suggest, making the right decisions is the challenge to any society, not just a secular one.

Hans Blaster · May 3, 2026

Ophiolite said:
I think we are probably in agreement, but your reaction to a couple of observations will confirm or refute that. While the US is certainly, in its society, culture and politics, is the lesser of some evils, in some cases ranks quite high up the evil spectrum. For example, its health system is a disgrace and shows what happens when a society decides not to live by the golden rule. And, I suggest, making the right decisions is the challenge to any society, not just a secular one.

None of which is inside the scope of the NSF or NSB.

tobelieveinHim · May 3, 2026

As someone who regularly reads, and consumes material from Creation Ministries .com, I don't see the problem..

Hans Blaster · May 3, 2026

tobelieveinHim said:
As someone who regularly reads, and consumes material from Creation Ministries .com, I don't see the problem..

Of course you don't. Funding for science is something groups like that oppose because science destroys their theology.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Ophiolite said:
For example, its health system is a disgrace ...

Well if our health care is such a disgrace, aren't you glad our president got rid of those ... as you called them ... competent, committed, intelligent, experienced, impartial, altruistic, ethically resistant ... academic scientists?

Maybe their successors will do a better job, eh?

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
Of course you don't. Funding for science is something groups like that oppose because science destroys their theology.

Ya ... like the National Endowment for the Arts, who partially funded Andres Serrano?

Arts & Sciences doing what they do best nowadays.

Elongated · May 3, 2026

AV1611VET said:
How do you know?

How do you know that those who take their place won't do a better job?

Is there something you know that you're not telling us?

For this poster, Years of watching Trump. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Elongated · May 3, 2026

tobelieveinHim said:
As someone who regularly reads, and consumes material from Creation Ministries .com, I don't see the problem..

Unsurprisingly.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Elongated said:
For this poster, Years of watching Trump. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Let's get our eyes off of the President for now and concentrate on the men he let go.

I'm asking if you think his successors will do a better job.

After all, one poster here just made the comment that our health system is a disgrace.

Aren't you glad then, that we're getting a new crew in to change that?

Elongated · May 3, 2026

AV1611VET said:
Let's get our eyes off of the President for now and concentrate on the men he let go.

I'm asking if you think his successors will do a better job.

After all, one poster here just made the comment that our health system is a disgrace.

Aren't you glad then, that we're getting a new crew in to change that?

Trump’s history of appointing incompetent hacks is so great, it cannot ever be assumed so appointment is qualified. DOJ and DHS leaders have been canned with no meaningful improvement.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Elongated said:
Trump’s history of appointing incompetent hacks is so great, it cannot ever be assumed so appointment is qualified. DOJ and DHS leaders have been canned with no meaningful improvement.

Then maybe you should read Post 5 again.

These guys weren't "incompetent hacks".

According to Post 5, they were:

"Perhaps you were unaware that competence, commitment, intellect, experience, lack of bias, a desire to contribute to the public good and the readiness to speak truth to power were more important than being an agenda driven, subservient, self interested hack. Lacking that knowledge, I can see why you would ask the question."

Of which both Hans Blaster and dlamberth gave their approval.

Hans Blaster · May 3, 2026

AV1611VET said:
Let's get our eyes off of the President for now and concentrate on the men he let go.

I'm asking if you think his successors will do a better job.

After all, one poster here just made the comment that our health system is a disgrace.

Aren't you glad then, that we're getting a new crew in to change that?

AV,

I don't normally even read your posts, but you are way off base here.

1. The NSB/NSF doesn't have anything to do with health policy or the health system. Even research on disease is mostly handled by the NIH and other HHS sub-agencies

2. There were no issues about the qualified members of the board who were dismissed.

3. Many of the board members are women.

I know it is hard, but try to have the slightest bit of knowledge about these things before posting about them.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
I know it is hard, but try to have the slightest bit of knowledge about these things before posting about them.

Okay.

Thank you for the info.

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