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Southern Poverty Law Center indicted on federal fraud charges

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  • The Department of Justice said the Southern Poverty Law Center had been indicted on charges related to secretly funding right-wing extremist groups that it claimed to be battling.
  • Acting U.S. Attorney General Todd Blanche said the SPLC was “manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.”
  • The SPLC paid at least $3 million to eight individuals, some associated with the Ku Klux Klan, the United Klans of America, the National Socialist Party of America, the Aryan Nations-affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle Club and the American Front, he said.


It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this case and determine whether this was actual undercover informant work that was being undertaken, or it was a case of them facilitating a more target-rich environment to justify their existence as an organization, and orchestrate radical actors showing up at various right-wing rallies as a means of being able to smear everyone there via guilt by association.

From a high-level glance, it doesn't look good for them given the duration of their informant program that claims to be for the purpose of exposing and dismantling these groups. The program had been going on for over a decade with none of the groups dismantled. Even the Donnie Brasco undercover operation didn't take that long. If it only took 5 years of a single information gathering intel to bring a case against the Bonanno Crime Family, it shouldn't take 9 years to gather enough intel to bring down some of the rag tag groups they were paying informants in.
 

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.....If it only took 5 years of a single information gathering intel to bring a case against the Bonanno Crime Family, it shouldn't take 9 years to gather enough intel to bring down some of the rag tag groups they were paying informants in.
Youre mixing up law enforcement (with full force of law) and private investigation/advocacy.
 
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Youre mixing up law enforcement (with full force of law) and private investigation/advocacy.
So it takes 10 years of paying "inside guys" (and arranging for them to facilitate travel for other members to show up at rallies and make trouble) in order to accomplish what they were trying to accomplish?

Seems like that would've been plenty enough time to gather enough information to go to the cops with.

Unless they picked poor choices for informants, and it was just guys who weren't really working with them, but were just content with playing them for a fool and taking their money and stringing them along for a decade.


If you've got inside guys (who were already members) of chapters of the KKK and 1% Motorcycle Gangs, seems like they should've had volumes of damning evidence, indexed and sorted alphabetically, in a few months.
 
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So it takes 10 years of paying "inside guys" (and arranging for them to facilitate travel for other members to show up at rallies and make trouble) in order to accomplish what they were trying to accomplish?

Seems like that would've been plenty enough time to gather enough information to go to the cops with.

Unless they picked poor choices for informants, and it was just guys who weren't really working with them, but were just content with playing them for a fool and taking their money and stringing them along for a decade.


If you've got inside guys (who were already members) of chapters of the KKK and 1% Motorcycle Gangs, seems like they should've had volumes of damning evidence, indexed and sorted alphabetically, in a few months.
You could be right. Or wrong. I dont think I have the energy to follow this case. Mainly Im going with the known Trump abuse of doj as a harrassment tool aginat "enemies". Of course theres a chance this could be genuine. But we have good reason to be skeptical.
 
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You could be right. Or wrong. I dont think I have the energy to follow this case. Mainly Im going with the known Trump abuse of doj as a harrassment tool aginat "enemies". Of course theres a chance this could be genuine. But we have good reason to be skeptical.

The skepticism isn't unreasonable, I get that...

But, if the DOJ can prove the claims about wire fraud and money laundering in court, the social aspects of this conversation (and the debates about whether their efforts were sincere, or if they were just trying to stir up ire against conservative groups by facilitating a bunch of extremists groups to show up at their rallies and make them look bad) become rather moot, because they'll be in a lot of trouble for the fraud and laundering, at which point, their intent behind paying those guys will be irrelevant.
 
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The skepticism isn't unreasonable, I get that...

But, if the DOJ can prove the claims about wire fraud and money laundering in court, the social aspects of this conversation (and the debates about whether their efforts were sincere, or if they were just trying to stir up ire against conservative groups by facilitating a bunch of extremists groups to show up at their rallies and make them look bad) become rather moot, because they'll be in a lot of trouble for the fraud and laundering, at which point, their intent behind paying those guys will be irrelevant.
I would think its entirely about intent. Because if the intent is genuine, then the results failure is simply incompetence and not fraud.
 
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I would think its entirely about intent. Because if the intent is genuine, then the results failure is simply incompetence and not fraud.

Is there any intent that makes fraud and money laundering less severe in the eyes of the courts?

If we assume that there's at least some factual component to the allegations pertaining to bankrolling transportation costs to get a bunch of auxiliary extremists to show up at the Unite the Right rally for the purposes of creating havoc just to show everyone how bad they are (and make the other attendees look bad by proxy), would donors to the SPLC have approved of their money being used for that purpose?


Like, if I were donating to Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and found out they were using that money to bankroll buying free drinks at bars on St. Patrick's day, just so they could "prove" how bad the problem is of bars over-serving people (via concealed cash transfers to "insiders" working for whiskey distributors) -- thereby actually making the problem they claim to be trying to solve, worse -- I wouldn't be terribly thrilled with my donations being used for that.
 
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Is there any intent that makes fraud and money laundering less severe in the eyes of the courts?

If we assume that there's at least some factual component to the allegations pertaining to bankrolling transportation costs to get a bunch of auxiliary extremists to show up at the Unite the Right rally for the purposes of creating havoc just to show everyone how bad they are (and make the other attendees look bad by proxy), would donors to the SPLC have approved of their money being used for that purpose?


Like, if I were donating to Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and found out they were using that money to bankroll buying free drinks at bars on St. Patrick's day, just so they could "prove" how bad the problem is of bars over-serving people (via concealed cash transfers to "insiders" working for whiskey distributors) -- thereby actually making the problem they claim to be trying to solve, worse -- I wouldn't be terribly thrilled with my donations being used for that.
Like I said, Im not going to dig deep on this one. Just generally a screwball plan itself doesnt indicate intent for fraud. Rank incompetence often ends up explaining human affairs best. But maybe youre right and they were actually trying to advance some hidden agenda.
 
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