The Many Moods of Hormuz

Pommer · Apr 10, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
From Claude - copied verbatim according to forum rules: links included

The post frames Trump's shifting statements as evidence of incoherence, but a fairer reading reveals a negotiating strategy — however unorthodox — that just produced a tangible result. Both the U.S. and Iran have agreed to a two-week ceasefire, with Iran agreeing to reopen the Strait of Hormuz CNBC, a waterway through which nearly 20 percent of the world's oil and natural gas travels. Al Jazeera

Critics who mock Trump's rhetorical inconsistency miss the forest for the trees. Keeping adversaries off-balance is a deliberate pressure tactic. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt called the ceasefire "a victory for the United States," noting that "President Trump and our powerful military got Iran to agree to reopening the Strait of Hormuz." NBC News

The economic stakes were real. Iran's blockade caused gasoline prices to skyrocket globally, drawing domestic criticism even from Trump's conservative base. Al Jazeera The ceasefire announcement produced immediate relief: oil prices plunged as much as 16% and U.S. stock futures shot up. CNBC

Reasonable people can debate Trump's methods, but cataloguing his daily Truth Social posts as "unhinged" while ignoring the outcome they helped produce isn't serious analysis — it's partisan point-scoring. Results matter.

~ from the mind of HisLegacy

Rope-a-dope was fine for the ring, very entertaining. Muhammad Ali was a master showman and brilliant boxer.

But trying to utilize this technique in international politics will confound both adversaries and allies (and why would we wish to do that to the latter)?

mark46 · Apr 10, 2026

LET"S BE REALLY CLEAR
Flow though the straits of Hormuz have been reduced by 85%, all controlled by Iran.

while there have been threats before, there has been a steady 18 million barrels of oil flowing each day for years. And let us not forget other critical goods that flow both ways through the straits.

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Trogdor the Burninator · Apr 12, 2026

Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz.

Elongated · Apr 12, 2026

Trogdor the Burninator said:
Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz.

The Iranians tricked the President into blockading the strait that Iran wanted closed. The President is either cognitively impaired or grossly incompetent. Or both.

essentialsaltes · Apr 12, 2026

Elongated said:
The Iranians tricked the President into blockading the strait that Iran wanted closed. The President is either cognitively impaired or grossly incompetent. Or both.

Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season

Pommer · Apr 12, 2026

Elongated said:
The Iranians tricked the President into blockading the strait that Iran wanted closed. The President is either cognitively impaired or grossly incompetent. Or both.

I think that the, (oh let’s us just call it) “plan”, is to blockade Iranian ports.
Good move if the IranIan’s were planing on only using anti-ship missiles, from surface-ships.
”Two weeks” will be about 12 days “too long”.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 12, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season

Elmer Fudd 2028.
Vote Fudd, it could be worse.

Pommer · Apr 12, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Rabbit Season
US: Duck Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season
Iran: Duck Season
US: Rabbit Season

Iran as Bugs?
Could fit…rabbit is halal, (generally).

Pommer · Apr 12, 2026

Aryeh Jay said:
Elmer Fudd 2028.
Vote Fudd, it could be worse.

He’s got a gun that he’s not very good with, so we know that he’s definitely not Canadian, (the Yukon Fudds notwithstanding).

Aryeh Jay · Apr 12, 2026

Pommer said:
He’s got a gun that he’s not very good with, so we know that he’s definitely not Canadian, (the Yukon Fudds notwithstanding).

Vice President material at least.

Desk trauma · Apr 12, 2026

Aryeh Jay said:
Elmer Fudd 2028.
Vote Fudd, it could be worse.

<Robin Williams 2002> be vewy vewy quiet I’m hunting tewowists </Robin williams 2002>

Elongated · Apr 13, 2026

Pommer said:
I think that the, (oh let’s us just call it) “plan”, is to blockade Iranian ports.
Good move if the IranIan’s were planing on only using anti-ship missiles, from surface-ships.
”Two weeks” will be about 12 days “too long”.

Th….” Plan”, using the term loosely was to open the Strait that was open and free until Bibi talked someone suffering from signs and symptoms of dementia to start an unnecessary war.

Trogdor the Burninator · Apr 13, 2026

Elongated said:
The Iranians tricked the President into blockading the strait that Iran wanted closed. The President is either cognitively impaired or grossly incompetent. Or both.

wing2000 · Apr 13, 2026

Both.

...even Maria Bartiromo could not save him.

Fox Wraps Trump Interview as He Spirals on War Mess

Trump offered little clarity on the war he started.

www.thedailybeast.com

Hans Blaster · Apr 13, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
My thoughts agree with the answers - Claude says it more succinctly and from a less biased position than mine.

While we may not particularly look forward to talking to you specifically, we didn't come here to talk to a computer program that links phrases together in some simulacrum of conversation.

"Claude" doesn't know things. It just strings words and phrases together. It is not essentially different than the little feature in your phone that suggests words based on the words or letters you've typed so far in your message.

mark46 · Apr 13, 2026

A blockade was really the only answer.

1) The mines will be removed.

2) Shipping will start.

3) Iran will negotiate, either after or before more damage is done to the Gulf states and to Iran.

4) Europeans will protect the straits long-term.

Elongated · Apr 13, 2026

mark46 said:
A blockade was really the only answer.

1) The mines will be removed.

2) Shipping will start.

3) Iran will negotiate, either after or before more damage is done to the Gulf states and to Iran.

4) Europeans will protect the straits long-term.

Again, a problem Trump created. And his worshippers will applaud him for “fixing” it, LOL.

Bobber · Apr 13, 2026

Trogdor the Burninator said:
Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz.

But 1) How long will ships have to stay there?
2) How does this help the world ecomony?
3) Trump said awhile back, the Iranians better get that strait open!
4) So he closes it up tighter?
5) What if Chinese Oil tankers come there and they tell Am ships to get out of the way?
6) What if Chinese War Ships come with them?
7) Will China say YES sir whatever you say sir to Trump? You think so?

Desk trauma · Apr 13, 2026

Bobber said:
But 1) How long will ships have to stay there?
2) How does this help the world ecomony?
3) Trump said awhile back, the Iranians better get that strait open!
4) So he closes it up tighter?
5) What if Chinese Oil tankers come there and they tell Am ships to get out of the way?
6) What if Chinese War Ships come with them?
7) Will China say YES sir whatever you say sir to Trump? You think so?

Pity the people in power are not pondering such things.

Elongated · Apr 13, 2026

Desk trauma said:
Pity the people in power are not pondering such things.

Ouch.

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