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‘A whole civilisation will die tonight,’ Trump warns ahead of Iran deadline

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you need to show how supporting these things necessarily entails support for "demolishing straight culture".
Culture in general which has gone from one of responsibility to one of rights. Self-interest always tries to win out. Chaos ensues.
 
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Culture in general which has gone from one of responsibility to one of rights. Self-interest always tries to win out. Chaos ensues.
Is this a response to my request that another poster support the absurd claim that Democratic party leadership supports "demolishing straight culture"?

If so, it provides no such evidence.
 
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This is incomplete. For now, and to make things simpler, let's assume that Democratic leadership does support these things. Fine. To defend your claim, you need to show how supporting these things necessarily entails support for "demolishing straight culture".
Read the books. Destruction of the Oppressor's culture is the route identified in each of these ideologies, just as the destruction of capitalism is the route identified by classical Marxism.

And when you get into in-depth conversations with MAGA ideologists, they can point you to specific real situations that point out intentions. That's why you can't simply dismiss their fears as though it were a bunch of flat-eartherisms.
 
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Read the books.
You're asking me to do your work for you. You made the claim, it is incumbent upon you to defend it.

It is becoming quite clear that you have no evidence to support this extremely implausible claim.
 
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And when you get into in-depth conversations with MAGA ideologists, they can point you to specific real situations that point out intentions. That's why you can't simply dismiss their fears as though it were a bunch of flat-eartherisms.
Again, you keep dancing away from your responsibilities to support your claim. Here, you asked me to get into conversations with other people who will point me to evidence.

It is your claim, surely you know it is your responsibility to defend it.

Let's be frank, a neutral reader will find this claim to be outlandishly implausible.
 
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Again, you keep dancing away from your responsibilities to support your claim.
No, you won't meet your responsibility to educate yourself, as I had to do and as a citizen of the Republic ought to do.

Do you want me to give you a book syllabus?
 
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‘A whole civilisation will die tonight,’ Trump warns ahead of Iran deadline​

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And when you get into in-depth conversations with MAGA ideologists, they can point you to specific real situations that point out intentions. That's why you can't simply dismiss their fears as though it were a bunch of flat-eartherisms.
Is "intentions" the word? Wouldn't it be what they "specific real situations that point out perceive to be intentions

One can dismiss their argument as invalid but you can't dismiss their Feelings

Remember how they all get caught up in liberals and their "Feelings"? Well.....dingdong, hello!

Why do you think you can dismiss the fears of the flat earthers? Their perception of the evidence is pointing them toward the conclusions that cause them fear; just as maga ideologists.
 
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Do you want me to give you a book syllabus?
Don't need no book learnin'. But a couple of quotes from senior Democratic leaders that indicate that what you are claiming is Democratic policy would be good.
 
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So many people say Trump cannot be trusted while simultaneously saying his threats should be taken seriously. I find it truly sad that the only people that believed Trump that mattered is the Iranians and it took threats of the destruction of their entire civilization to come to the negotiation table at the last minute. When dealing with terrorist, it is truly better to be feared.
 
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So many people say Trump cannot be trusted while simultaneously saying his threats should be taken seriously. I find it truly sad that the only people that believed Trump that mattered is the Iranians and it took threats of the destruction of their entire civilization to come to the negotiation table at the last minute. When dealing with terrorist, it is truly better to be feared.
What an odd response.

Is your ability to parse English really so course that because a person may not be bluffing about a threat of violence, they are to be trusted? That because a person is not lying about wanting to hurt you, that they are trustworthy?

Really? In what world does issuing a believable threat make one trustworthy? Because over here, "trust" implies a lot more than just not lying about a single bad thing you plan to do to somebody.

I've been reading your posts for a long time and, while I may think you incorrect on a number of things, I would not have assumed that your understanding of the nuances of your native language was so poor. So, do you want to re-think that post or do you want to explain how I'm wrong about what it means to be trustworthy? Or am I wrong in assuming that English is your native language, in which case, I take this all back.
 
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it took threats of the destruction of their entire civilization to come to the negotiation table at the last minute. When dealing with terrorist, it is truly better to be feared.
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Threats of violence to achieve political ends, defined as using coercion or intimidation to advance ideologies, constitute a form of terrorism. This tactic includes violence or threats directed at civilians, property, or infrastructure, aimed at influencing policies
 
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So many people say Trump cannot be trusted while simultaneously saying his threats should be taken seriously. I find it truly sad that the only people that believed Trump that mattered is the Iranians and it took threats of the destruction of their entire civilization to come to the negotiation table at the last minute. When dealing with terrorist, it is truly better to be feared.
So many Trump supporters say Trump doesn't mean what he says, but somehow expect that what he says should be credible.

"He's bluffing, that's just salesmanship."

A bluff doesn't work unless the other side believes it's an acceptable option for the opposition.

If a salesman says, "Take this offer, or I'll shoot my dog!" it's a useless negotiation tactic when we know he won't really shoot his dog. (I actually saw that commercial about 60 years ago--"Diamond Jim, the Diamond Man"--but it was clearly to be taken as a joke.)

So, should the world have believed Trump would really have ended Iranian civilization, never to recover? Or even destroy all their bridges and power plants? How else would it be a useful "negotiating" tactic if nobody was to believe it was an actual option?

A national leader who utters threats to destroy a civilization is either evil, or he is not of sound mind.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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If a salesman says, "Take this offer, or I'll shoot my dog!" it's a useless negotiation tactic when we know he won't really shoot his dog. (I actually saw that commercial about 60 years ago--"Diamond Jim, the Diamond Man"--but it was clearly to be taken as a joke.)
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Is not the usual routine to warn the people to leave town?
How do you leave civilization?
Anyway, that's the procedure when you're going after military targets in a civilian area. Not just going after civilian infrastructure. Not trying to pressure a government by threatening civilians.
 
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How do you leave civilization?
Anyway, that's the procedure when you're going after military targets in a civilian area. Not just going after civilian infrastructure. Not trying to pressure a government by threatening civilians.
It seems the confusion he is sowing is affecting the American people more than anyone else (and benefitting the savvy in the market field).
 
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