Are we still suppose to obey the 10 commandments?

partinobodycular · Mar 23, 2026

kami79 said:
I like to let the Bible speak for itself but ok.

I understand, but I'm a bit different. I'm old. I've read the bible many times. Such that at this point I'm not really concerned about what the bible says. I'm concerned about you. I'm concerned about what you think. I'm concerned about what that wee small voice inside of you has to say. It's easy just to quote scripture, because then any attack on you can be deflected as simply an attack on the bible. You never have to open yourself up to the possibility that you might be wrong. But I want you to face up to that possibility, and when faced with it, I want to know what you really think. In your words, not in scriptures conveniently drawn from the bible, to say something that you don't really understand.

kami79 said:
Also, how do suggest we read and study the Bible?

This is a tough question, but a very good one. My best answer is, just read it. But in doing so, be patient because the greatest teacher is time. Time to listen. Time to learn. Because God and life don't always give out answers right away. They make you struggle for them. They make you think about them. They make you learn patience, and humility, and open-mindedness. They make you learn how to say 'I don't know'.

You think it's about learning scriptures, but that's not it at all, it's about learning patience, and compassion, and mercy. When you've got those down, then ask me again how you should study the bible, but I don't think that you'll have to.

Meowzltov · Mar 23, 2026

2PhiloVoid said:
No, I only open my mouth when I can support my point of view or my interpretation. I am educated after all.

If you say so.

2PhiloVoid · Mar 23, 2026

Meowzltov said:
If you say so.

I love that dry wit of yours. ^_^

partinobodycular · Mar 23, 2026

kami79 said:
I like to let the Bible speak for itself but ok.

I need to followup on my last post. Being able to quote scripture as you desire to do, isn't a bad thing. In fact it's an awesome gift to have, but knowing how to rightly divide those scriptures is a gift that can sometimes take much longer to acquire, and in the meantime can leave one open to being misguided by even the best of intentions, and the most diligent of study.

There's a thing called the 'Serenity Prayer'... 'God grant me the wisdom to know the difference', and all that. That kind of wisdom takes time. So first nurture patience, and humility, and compassion, for it's out of these that wisdom comes. Beware of those who preach of righteous condemnation, for condemnation is easy... it's the seemingly undeserved compassion that's hard.

I realize that patience may be a lot to ask, but there's one thing that can always make you seem wiser than you may actually be, and that's kindness. So if they say anything about you, let them say that she was kind.

Neogaia777 · Mar 23, 2026

@partinobodycular

I believe the kinds of things you are talking about are called "the weightier matters of the law" in the Bible.

(I can provide the scripture and tell you guys (not just you @partinobodycular) more about the context if you guys want, but you can also just as easily look it up also, if you don't already know it, etc) (and if you don't, you should, or should already know it, etc) (And if you've never heard of it before, but like to always put forth a bunch of other scriptures all the time, then there's a problem, and you really should look it up, etc) (because you should already know it/be familiar with it already, etc) (also the context, etc).

Take Care/God Bless.

kami79 · Mar 26, 2026

Meowzltov said:
There are 613 laws. "And the LORD said unto Moses, speak to the Children of Israel," Thou shalt. Thou shalt not. 613 times. And as I documented and you simply dismissed, some of those Thou shalts have nothing to do with the sacrificial system (which btw is obviously not obligatory if there is no Temple).

Well, I don't know if there are 613 laws, I've never counted. I am focused on the royal law, the dietary law, as well as the fruits of the spirit. "All unrighteousness is sin" (1 John 5:17)

"But if we walk in the light, as his in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanest us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." 1John 1:7-10

Meowzltov said:
The Bible leaves that decision to the Levites and Judges (Rabbis). Deut 17:8-13. When the Torah is not explicit, it is their job to interpret and determine. Since the Torah never says, "An Israelite is anyone who...X" that decision rests in the Jewish people.

This is not talking about Levites and Judges determining who is or isn't a Jew. This is talking about anyone among Israel that has broken God's covenant how they will be punished. They have to stand before the Levites and then the Judges who will consider the matter and issue a sentence or punishment. You are either born a Jew/Israelite or you can become "spiritual" by believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus, Men being circumcised, and keeping the laws and statutes NOT by moving to Israel!

Meowzltov said:
Captivity? I can make aliyah to Israel any time I want.

This is not accurate. Yehudi is not relative to the tribe, but to the KINGDOM. Any person who was a resident in the KIngdom of Yehuda was called Yehudi by the Babylonians and it stuck. Here is an example of a case where a BENJAMITE is called a Jew by your Bible:
Esther 2:5
Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite

Well, the real Jews/Israelites of the Bible broke God's laws and commandments and are in captivity to this day and are cursed because they disobeyed God. Just a few that stand out are "The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be REMOVED into all kingdoms of the earth. And they carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with emeralds, and the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shall NOT proper in the ways: and thou shalt be ONLY oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall say thee. Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather grapes thereof......(32)Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine shall look and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand." Deuteronomy 28:25-30,32

These curses do not fit your people!!!!! So somebody is lying and have been deceived all these years.

Meowzltov said:
Please acknowledge.

Sadly, many records were lost in the holocaust so there are many Jews who, even though they know they are Jews, can no longer document their lineage. But that is not true of all. I know Jews who are tribe of Levi (some of them even kohanim, priests), tribe of Benjamin, tribe of Judah--I even know one Jew who is tribe of Ephraim, which is very rare because when they were still scarce most of them intermarried and their children became members of other tribes..

Which is to say, all Israel is still here today. Our makeup along tribal lines is not a clear as it used to be. But we know who we are: b'nei Yisrael, the Children of Israel.

A positive commandment (thou shalt) must be explicit unless it can be derived from love your neighbor as yourself. For Adam and Noah, keeping the sabbath falls into neither of those two categories. If its not there in the text, it doesn't exist. You do not have the authority to add it.

Didn't I already address this in my last post to you? Let me know. If I didn't I'm more than happy to explain that this refers to converts, not Gentiles.

Please don't take offense. I know that Paul and his writings are dear to your heart and I'm not trying to undermine that. But Paul is irrelevant to me and to all who practice Judaism.

ViaCrucis · Mar 26, 2026

kami79 said:
Show me the proof that you are a Jew according to the bible. I don't see how the curses in Deuteronomy 28 fit you. The Jews of the bible are still scattered throughout the world and are still in captivity. Also Jew is only on son from the tribe of Judah. Jacob had 12 sons so where are the other 11 tribes???

Well, now you are demonstrating your own ignorance.

A Israelite, Jew, Hebrew are all words to say the same thing. A basic knowledge of the Bible, history, linguistics, and religion would all help you out here.

Otherwise Paul, a self-confessed member of the tribe of Benjamin, wouldn't be a Jew according to your made-up standards (with the additional note that you don't have any authority to say who is and isn't Jewish, and that's ok, neither do I, I'm not Jewish).

FreeinChrist · Mar 27, 2026

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kami79 · Mar 27, 2026

ViaCrucis said:
Well, now you are demonstrating your own ignorance.

A Israelite, Jew, Hebrew are all words to say the same thing. A basic knowledge of the Bible, history, linguistics, and religion would all help you out here.

Otherwise Paul, a self-confessed member of the tribe of Benjamin, wouldn't be a Jew according to your made-up standards (with the additional note that you don't have any authority to say who is and isn't Jewish, and that's ok, neither do I, I'm not Jewish).

I know this!!! It's is still a valid question and it is a fact that there are 12 tribes!! And it is a fact that the so called Jews today do no fit the jews/israelites in the bible!

ViaCrucis · Mar 27, 2026

kami79 said:
I know this!!! It's is still a valid question and it is a fact that there are 12 tribes!! And it is a fact that the so called Jews today do no fit the jews/israelites in the bible!

Modern Jewish people are Jews.

If you are here to peddle antisemitic conspiracy theories, then I have no intention in continuing this interaction.

stevevw · Mar 28, 2026

Its interesting that the 10 commandments or rather the consequences of not keeping them can be seen in how society breaks down. I was thinking about this with my kids and the commandment to 'Honor thy Father and Mother'.

In modern rights based society this is is almost seen as laughable for kids to respect such a law. The complete breakdown of the family has eroded any respect for parents or the family itself.

But also theft is seen as a minor issue and even a right in a class society where people believe they have to take their rights as others will deny them. Or lying. Its hard to work out who is telling the truth.

They are the obvious ones. But ones like 'No other Gods' and 'Keeping the Sabath'. They are less obvious yet still significant. The idea that as humans we will make gods and idols such as money, people and things. But there can only be one God and whatever you make God is what you will become.

In a crazy 24/7 world where everything is available and there is no destinction between the days and what is the true meaning of life. It seems now more than ever we need a day off to stop and rest and get back in touch with the true meaning of life. Just stopping and being quiet is good.

"Be still, and know that I am God" (Psalm 46:10)

kami79 · Mar 28, 2026

ViaCrucis said:
Modern Jewish people are Jews.

If you are here to peddle antisemitic conspiracy theories, then I have no intention in continuing this interaction.

I can not be antisemitic when I myself are Semitic so whatever!!!

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