Why is Bush planning to do this?

I recieved this letter from a friend of mine who I used to work with. So why is President Bush pushing a proposal like this one listed below if he is a Christian? I have heard that Bush is a Christian but taking away overtime pay from the poor working class is very anti-family and sounds very un-Christlike to me. Taking money from the working poor and giving it to the rich sounds very evil and ungodly to me! :-( I can't say or judge for sure about Bush being a Christian but I just don't understand where he is coming from. BTW this forum seems like the only place that this message seems to fit because it deals with a current event. You will see what I mean by reading this letter below:

Note that the links are not listed since this is my first post here.

 

 

From: Working Families e-Activist Network Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:03 AM
To: Todd Kerfeld
Subject: Don't Let Them Take Away Overtime Pay

March 27, 2003

The Bush Administration today proposed changing federal
overtime rules and eroding the 40-hour workweek--reducing
overtime protections and cutting the pay of hundreds
of thousands of America's workers. 

Overtime pay is important to many working people in
America who rely on it to support their families. Please
take one minute right now to register your opposition
to harmful changes in the federal overtime rules by
clicking on the link below to send a fax to President
Bush and a copy to your senators and representative.


With a failing economy, millions out of work and staggering
health care and prescription drug costs, this is a
burden America's workers should NOT have to bear. The
overtime rules protect workers from bosses who would
impose unbearably long hours if they didn't have to
pay extra for overtime work. Many workers would have
less predictable work schedules because of the increased
demand for overtime work.

Working families struggled for years to win the 40-hour
workweek, the weekend and other job protections like
this. Please register your opposition to this step
backward by clicking on the link below.


The Bush overtime reform proposal,

  + Excludes previously protected workers by reclassifying
them as managers, administrative or professional employees
who are not eligible for overtime pay;

  + Fails to automatically include large numbers of
low-income workers;

  + For the first time, excludes certain middle-income
workers from overtime protections by adding an income
test;

  + Removes from overtime protection large numbers
of workers in the aerospace, defense, health care,
high tech and various other industries;

  + Makes schedules less predictable for some working
moms and dads;

  + Proposes confusing standards for low-income supervisors;

America's workers who are overseas at war deserve a
strong, vibrant economy when they return home. Send
your fax to President Bush now by clicking on the link
below:
 

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FWIW, rules like this are tricksy and complicated. In my line of work, nearly everybody works over 40 hours - most technical workers do. It's not ideal, but the alternative would be worse - the company goes bankrupt and *nobody* gets paid.
 
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Are you on salery or working on an hourly wages? Today the average CEO is making 150-200 times the lowest paid worker. In the 1960s and maybe the 1970 that ratio was only 40:1 instead of 200:1. If CEOs of large corporations would start making sacrifices which wouldn't amount to much anyway for them and balance the gap back to where is was 30-40 years ago and give some of that money back to the worker the economy would be in much better shape right now because more working class people would have more spendable money in their pockets.
 
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Today at 04:26 AM Kevin Dreyling said this in Post #3

Are you on salery or working on an hourly wages? Today the average CEO is making 150-200 times the lowest paid worker. In the 1960s and maybe the 1970 that ratio was only 40:1 instead of 200:1. If CEOs of large corporations would start making sacrifices which wouldn't amount to much anyway for them and balance the gap back to where is was 30-40 years ago and give some of that money back to the worker the economy would be in much better shape right now because more working class people would have more spendable money in their pockets.

Agreed it would be a good start. I work for a large manufacturing company and in the past, they have went to Japan to see why they are successful and brought back some of their work concepts. They brought back everything from Total Preventative Maintenance, to Just in Time Inventory, to stretching in the morning, however one ideal that they didn't bring back was that Japanese CEO's are paid 100's of times less than their counterparts here in American. I wonder why?
 
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Corporate greed is why. And that is a serious sin. We are supposed to be a Christian nation yet I have heard one of my friend knew a co-worker who used to live in Africa (not sure which country) and he claimed he had more freedom there back in Africa than we have in the USA. :-( From what I was told for example there was no zoning restrictions on size of house you want to build in his country and here in the USA we have to conformed to zoning laws often requiring you to build a house bigger than what you income can support. Also I think this manditory seat belt law is pathetic getting fined when you the only one at risk. For children I think it is fine but for adults I think they should have the freedom of choice. I still wear my seatbelt anyway but it is the idea of the government trying to control me in my personal life that disturbs me. I am the only one at risk for not wearing my seatbelt. No one else is.
 
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I joined a labor union back in 85'. I was very cynical about the whole thing (the ties with organized crime left me with a bad taste in) my mouth. I went to the meetings, drank their beer, ate their chips and so on. Over the last 10 years my new union's local has taken over quite a few locals as well as organized shops from New York down to the state of Delaware. All it takes is to attend one meeting and hear what employers are trying to do in the name of greed and you come away with a whole new realization that there is a need once again to protect the working man. Believe me when I say that my political views are definitely to the right of center, but I am a blue collar working man, I need my job and I need my union.

Our unions, with the strong support of the working man, can beat these buttheads trying to take our benefits away. Don't believe the lie that these changes are needed to keep companies competitive, these changes are needed to line the greedy pockets of corporate heads. More profit for the shareholder???? That's the biggest scam there is, if they really cared about the shareholder they'd stop giving themselves those obscene compensation packages.
 
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...The company goes bankrupt .....
that would be a far more believable argument if the CEO's weren't getting about 200 times what their average worker gets...

The guy who was CEO of K-Mart for two months left with over $7,000,000 as a severance package. While he was at the helm another 4,000 or so workers got laid off and K-Mart went further and further in the hole...but obviously not enough to stop him from geting his $7,000,000 for his two month stay. $3,500,000 a month- not even Alex Rodriguez' agent could get that deal!
 
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Today at 01:59 PM DeputyDan said this in Post #8

The original post only posted speculation - no facts - and no H.R. bill number or reference to any bill introduced into Congress.

Sounds like democrats spin stories again.

Does not the post start out by saying according to a friend.

Ask and ye shall receive. 

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/030327/economy_overtime_3.html
 
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if there's more freedom in Africa, then you are free to move there if you'd like.

:)

Personally, I like my country. :D And I think it's one of, if not the, freest. It's moving towards socialism though.. and if Gore had won, it would have been a lot farther along towards socialism then it is now. Thank goodness for Bush :D
 
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I really don't know how more freedom Africa has than us if any. The source just makes the claim that he wasn't as impressed with the USA or didn't think we are as free as expected. But one thing I strongly believe is that we are starting to lose our freedom little by little. Most countries are worse off than us but I wonder if places like Germany or France would now be better than in USA.
 
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Today at 12:11 PM Michael0701 said this in Post #6

I joined a labor union back in 85'. I was very cynical about the whole thing (the ties with organized crime left me with a bad taste in) my mouth. I went to the meetings, drank their beer, ate their chips and so on. Over the last 10 years my new union's local has taken over quite a few locals as well as organized shops from New York down to the state of Delaware. All it takes is to attend one meeting and hear what employers are trying to do in the name of greed and you come away with a whole new realization that there is a need once again to protect the working man. Believe me when I say that my political views are definitely to the right of center, but I am a blue collar working man, I need my job and I need my union.

Our unions, with the strong support of the working man, can beat these buttheads trying to take our benefits away. Don't believe the lie that these changes are needed to keep companies competitive, these changes are needed to line the greedy pockets of corporate heads. More profit for the shareholder???? That's the biggest scam there is, if they really cared about the shareholder they'd stop giving themselves those obscene compensation packages.

I agree with Michael, on this one.
 
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Whether or not any given part of Africa has freedom or not is an interesting question, but those who keep saying "America, love it or leave it" demonstrate a profound disrespect for whatever freedoms we have. I know you wish to assert that that is the case for those bashing America, while enjoying those freedoms. Fair enough, but you could communicate that without showing that the limits of your own tolerance for freedom are so easily breached.
 
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I've just noticed that someone gave me a bad rating. Does this imply that I am a bad person? I was just stating my opinion on what is going on here in this country and from other sources. I could wrong on some of these issues but I was just passing along info that I recieved. I am also not trying to say Bush is not a Christian. I don't know where he is with the Lord. I just questioned his motives. But after reading that link I have seen the other side of this. I sure hope other people have a higher opinion of me that the one person who voted a bad rating on me.
 
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I just recieved an e-mail from a union activest webpage showing stats now that the average CEO of a large corporation is now averaging over $10 million a year or equal to 441 the pay of an average worker. At this rate it won't be more than a few years when that ratio increases to 1000:1 :-( This is extremely evil. The working class is getting poorer and the rich is getting much richer. Very anti-Christian to steal from the poor and pocketing more money in one month than most people ever see in their lifetime.
 
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Ah.....

If someone is successful in their business, then so be it.

Is there something wrong with being innovative, entrapreunurial... can't spell that :angel: ... etc?

This country is a lot better off, with all it's evil "capitalists," then say, Russia... the people over there earn WAY less than the people over here. WAY less. WAY WAY less.
 
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"Innovative" and "Entreprenurial"? Both very positive sounding terms, how could anyone deny wealth to a person who can be described with such beautiful words?

"Hard Working", "Dedicated", etc. all equally positive sounding words that can be applied to many laborers. But apprently, we can see fit to deny such people a living wage, health cae, job security, etc. without so much as the blink of an eye.

The question is why we continually see fit to value the one so much more than the other? And why is it that the difference keeps growing? That is not merely free market capitalism, it is also a value system which discounts the efforts of laborers.

"Their business"? Kevin hasnt been addressing private businesses. He has been talking about public corporations.

The failures of Russia do nothing to vindicate any of the defects of American capitalism, BTW, but a little red herring always goes nicely with a straw man.
 
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