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I really believe there’s never been a better time to feel justified in crediting God with creating the universe.

With the only two rational choices for answering the primary question of metaphysics, “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” being an eternal universe or aneternal creator, and having so much evidence available today pointing towards a non-eternal universe, the idea of a creator God is looking pretty good.

Physicist Dr. Alexander Vilenkin puts what I think is the nail in the coffin of an eternal universe when he says:

“It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning.”
Critics of the God hypothesis used to normally punt towards the multi-verse theory to explain away our universe’s beginning, but today many now admit that no empirical evidence supports such a thing (they need faith to believe it) and so are coming around to Dr. Richard Swinburne’s position on the matter: “To postulate a trillion-trillion other universes, rather than one God, in order to explain the orderliness of our universe, seems the height of irrationality.”

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I really believe there’s never been a better time to feel justified in crediting God with creating the universe.

With the only two rational choices for answering the primary question of metaphysics, “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” being an eternal universe or aneternal creator, and having so much evidence available today pointing towards a non-eternal universe, the idea of a creator God is looking pretty good.

Physicist Dr. Alexander Vilenkin puts what I think is the nail in the coffin of an eternal universe when he says:


Critics of the God hypothesis used to normally punt towards the multi-verse theory to explain away our universe’s beginning, but today many now admit that no empirical evidence supports such a thing (they need faith to believe it) and so are coming around to Dr. Richard Swinburne’s position on the matter: “To postulate a trillion-trillion other universes, rather than one God, in order to explain the orderliness of our universe, seems the height of irrationality.”

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Genesis is an ancient text, written by and to the ancient Israelites, it is not a book of modern 21st century physics or Big Bang cosmology related science:
 
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I really believe there’s never been a better time to feel justified in crediting God with creating the universe.

With the only two rational choices for answering the primary question of metaphysics, “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” being an eternal universe or aneternal creator, and having so much evidence available today pointing towards a non-eternal universe, the idea of a creator God is looking pretty good.

Physicist Dr. Alexander Vilenkin puts what I think is the nail in the coffin of an eternal universe when he says:


Critics of the God hypothesis used to normally punt towards the multi-verse theory to explain away our universe’s beginning, but today many now admit that no empirical evidence supports such a thing (they need faith to believe it) and so are coming around to Dr. Richard Swinburne’s position on the matter: “To postulate a trillion-trillion other universes, rather than one God, in order to explain the orderliness of our universe, seems the height of irrationality.”

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Judeo- Christian theology teaches us that God has no "beginning and no ending" including Jesus Christ of Nazareth Himself who has no beginning and no ending yet came in the flesh.This creates a unique distinction: while the physical universe is believed to have a "beginning," the Person of Jesus Christ does not.
I believe the tension between science and theology is unnecessary as God gave us science as a means to unveil His creation. In other words, physics becomes the study of how the "Word" behaves in a physical dimension. I once fought the idea of man being created by primordial slime, but alas that is exactly what scripture tells us that man was made from dust. And that is just the start. There are countless descriptions of scientific theories already printed out in a book, the Bible, for all to read. It is an excellent fact checker.
Ultimately, it would behoove both scientists and theologians to partner together, merging empirical discovery with spiritual insight to uncover the fullness of the ultimate truth.
Be blessed.
 
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I really believe there’s never been a better time to feel justified in crediting God with creating the universe.

With the only two rational choices for answering the primary question of metaphysics, “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” being an eternal universe or an eternal creator, and having so much evidence available today pointing towards a non-eternal universe, the idea of a creator God is looking pretty good.
yep. That it spot on
Physicist Dr. Alexander Vilenkin puts what I think is the nail in the coffin of an eternal universe when he says:

Critics of the God hypothesis used to normally punt towards the multi-verse theory to explain away our universe’s beginning, but today many now admit that no empirical evidence supports such a thing (they need faith to believe it)
evolutionISM. Just another example of bad religion.

Christianity does much better by comparison/contrast
and so are coming around to Dr. Richard Swinburne’s position on the matter: “To postulate a trillion-trillion other universes, rather than one God, in order to explain the orderliness of our universe, seems the height of irrationality.”
Indeed. "you could not get a good story together for ONE universe popping itself out of nothing, so now you think you can do better if it were the same problem times a billion trillion?"

Agreed. It was absurd right out of the gate.
 

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Genesis is an ancient text, written by and to the ancient Israelites, it is not a book of modern 21st century physics or Big Bang cosmology related science:
It is what God told humans thousands of years ago about what He actually did.

He told them the parts that they could fully understand
7 day week
Creation from nothing , by the word of God
Infinite , all knowing powerful Creator with unlimited ability.

And that how the earth, sun and moon came about with all life on Earth included.
 
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It is what God told humans thousands of years ago about what He actually did.

He told them the parts that they could fully understand
7 day week
Creation from nothing , by the word of God
Infinite , all knowing powerful Creator with unlimited ability.

And that how the earth, sun and moon came about with all life on Earth included.
That is also 100% what I believe as well because of all the various passages of Scriptures in the Old Testament and the New Testament concerning Creation.
 
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I really believe there’s never been a better time to feel justified in crediting God with creating the universe.
There has never been a conflict between science and the bible, they are just two different ways God expresses Himself. Both are dependable, trustworthy and true.
 
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There has never been a conflict between science and the bible, they are just two different ways God expresses Himself. Both are dependable, trustworthy and true.

As Isaac Newton and many of history's greatest scientists have said, science and the Bible are compatable. Science leads us to God, not away from him, which makes sense when one realizes that someone had to establish the laws of science which we now observe.

The problem today isn't science opposing the Bible, it's evolutionists misinterpreting the scientific evidence in order to defend a naturalistic / materialistic world view. Biblical creationism requires a belief in the supernatural, and that's been a scientific taboo in the U.S. since 1984, when The National Academy of Sciences began formally delineating the boundaries of science to exclude supernatural explanations. Course, that was amplified by Supreme Court rulings in 1968 and 1987 that replaced Biblical creation being taught in the public school system with evolutionary theory.

I find it sad that my country has rejected God, the Bible and his true sciences just within my lifetime. I believe evolutionary theory is the biggest, most accepted lie in human history, and the devil's surely taking glee over its success in turning people against the Bible's authority and the Christian faith.
 
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The problem today isn't science opposing the Bible, it's evolutionists misinterpreting the scientific evidence in order to defend a naturalistic / materialistic world view.
That's a common creationist misconception. But even Darwin wrote that God just created the first living things. YE creationism denies that God is great enough to create life by using natural means. But even Genesis shows that their denial is wrong.

Biblical creationism requires a belief in the supernatural
Yes. It's a religion, not a science. Science, by its very methodology, is unable to consider the supernatural. Science can't do that, even though scientists can. You might as well attack plumbers because plumbing can't consider the supernatural.

I believe evolutionary theory is the biggest, most accepted lie in human history,
That's a testable belief. Which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false? I think you've confused evolutionary theory with universal common descent. What do you think evolutionary theory says?

Let us know what you think. Those aren't rhetorical questions. You really need to answer them if for nothing else by clarifying your own assumptions.
 
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That's a common creationist misconception. But even Darwin wrote that God just created the first living things. YE creationism denies that God is great enough to create life by using natural means. But even Genesis shows that their denial is wrong.


Yes. It's a religion, not a science. Science, by its very methodology, is unable to consider the supernatural. Science can't do that, even though scientists can. You might as well attack plumbers because plumbing can't consider the supernatural.


That's a testable belief. Which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false? I think you've confused evolutionary theory with universal common descent. What do you think evolutionary theory says?

Let us know what you think. Those aren't rhetorical questions. You really need to answer them if for nothing else by clarifying your own assumptions.

Out of courtesy, I'll give you a brief response.

I choose not to debate evolution/creationism with strong evolutionists for three reasons:

First, it's a time consuming, never ending endeavor that, in my experience at least, never proves productive for either side. Second, I've learned that no presentation of evidence seems to change the other party's world view interpretation of evidence. And third, I get tired of being insulted and a rudely attacked by antagonistic evolutionists.

I'll save my apologetic influencing attempts for less biased individuals seeking truth rather than those already grounded in opposing world view theologies.
 
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Regardless if we attempt to interpret the creation text literally or figuratively, the Truth that is between the lines, or in the lines of text is unchanging. Whether we're changing or not.

The evolutionist vs creationist debate is a distraction IMO.

Some say birds fly because they have wings.
Others say birds have wings because they fly.

I say they're both right.
 
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That's a common creationist misconception. But even Darwin wrote that God just created the first living things. YE creationism denies that God is great enough to create life by using natural means. But even Genesis shows that their denial is wrong.


Yes. It's a religion, not a science. Science, by its very methodology, is unable to consider the supernatural. Science can't do that, even though scientists can. You might as well attack plumbers because plumbing can't consider the supernatural.


That's a testable belief. Which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false? I think you've confused evolutionary theory with universal common descent. What do you think evolutionary theory says?

Let us know what you think. Those aren't rhetorical questions. You really need to answer them if for nothing else by clarifying your own assumptions.
Please give me an example, just one, that the 6-Day Creation is not enough for the Universe we know today. That means, God has to let the evolution process "continue" or "finish", so that we can see something God did not create in the first place.

Let me give you a hint. Did God create you and me in the 6 Days? If not, WHEN did He do that?
 
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That's a testable belief. Which of the four points of Darwinian theory have been shown to be false? I think you've confused evolutionary theory with universal common descent. What do you think evolutionary theory says?

Please give me an example, just one, that the 6-Day Creation is not enough for the Universe we know today.
Sorry, that's wrong. Even if God magically poofed the universe into existence evolution would still work the way it does today. Try again?

That means, God has to let the evolution process "continue" or "finish", so that we can see something God did not create in the first place.
Since it observably is continuing, I'm thinking that He created it to do so. Do you realize that you are a creature of God? He created you by natural means. Even if you weren't created in the first place.

So ... want to take another shot at telling us what biological evolution is?
 
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Some say birds fly because they have wings.
Others say birds have wings because they fly.

I say they're both right.
Ah, efficient vs final causes. Well said.
 
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Do you realize that you are a creature of God? He created you by natural means. Even if you weren't created in the first place.
So, if the world has 1 million births of babies today, then God must create 1 million humans today. Is that what you meant? Then God will create more humans tomorrow. Right?

God "finished" His creation. He means that. There is no evolution in human lives.
 
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So, if the world has 1 million births of babies today, then God must create 1 million humans today. Is that what you meant? Then God will create more humans tomorrow. Right?

God "finished" His creation. He means that.
And yet He keeps creating new people. Unless you think humans are not creatures of God.

There is no evolution in human lives.
It's observed. Would you like to see some recent examples?

EPAS-1 mutation differentiates Tibetans from Han Chinese ancestors.
 
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And yet He keeps creating new people. Unless you think humans are not creatures of God.
As I said, the need for laborious continuing creation (of every human being) should not be a nature of God.
There IS a much better alternative interpretation to the birth of a human being (human spirit) without a new creation by God. Every human spirit, past, now, and future, was created during the 6-Day Creation.
 
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As I said, the need for laborious continuing creation (of every human being) should not be a nature of God.
You think that's "laborious" for God?
There IS a much better alternative interpretation to the birth of a human being (human spirit) without a new creation by God.
God says otherwise:
Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
 
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You think that's "laborious" for God?

God says otherwise:
Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
It is indeed laborious and is certainly not "beautiful", not "good". It should be the work for angels, not God Himself.
That Psalm verse did not say "when" was that done. The latter part of the verse pointed to material.
 
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There IS a much better alternative interpretation to the birth of a human being (human spirit) without a new creation by God.
God says otherwise:
Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

That Psalm verse did not say "when" was that done.
After his mother's body existed. Well after the six days. That's what God says. And it doesn't say "you created my body"; it says "For you created my innermost being." There's no way to reword this verse to have it happening in the first six days of creation.
 
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