It's not so much about what we as individuals think is either right, or else wrong...

It's not so much about what we as individuals think is either right, or else wrong, but what individual people in a society have the right to do (or be), and what they don't have the right to do (or be) and us in each one of our individual societies deciding where we are going to draw the lines there (if we're going to draw any at all, etc) (but I think we do need to with "some", etc) and then, if a person does have the right to be it, or do it, or choose it, then them not being mistreated for that by others who may not completely agree, etc, and us all learning to get along/not discriminate against one another, within those lines or boundaries, etc.

Ok, so now, I'd like to now open up this discussion to just exactly what you think those should be, and/or maybe "are", etc?

I'd just like to note that being a little uncomfortable with something does not automatically give you the right to dictate others rights around that, ok. But the lines do need to drawn somewhere probably, etc

Ok, "go", ok...

Take Care/God Bless.

K, I'll suggest one right now, gender transitioning minors needs to be out, completely, but adults can do whatever they want to do in those areas, etc, and the rest of us need to get comfortable/accepting of that, etc, but children/minors need to be somewhat, age-appropriately shielded/protected from some of that until they are of a certain age, etc. (Example: No drag Queen story time in elementary classrooms reading questionable materials for the elementary level, etc) (but don't yet know how that should be handled yet at the middle or high school levels yet, etc?) But gender transitioning, not until they are adults, etc. But can minors dress opposite of their current gender in schools maybe? Or should there be some rules there maybe, etc? I also don't think a human should be able to identify as anything outside of their own species, a.k.a., Homo-sapien, or human, etc, cause that's just getting ridiculous, etc. But what do you think?

David Lamb said:

Surely what is far more important, compared both to what we as individuals think is right or wrong, and what people in society say they have the right to do or be, is what God says in His word.

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It's more about what individual people have a right to do, or choose or be, and what they do not, in the societies that we wish to create, etc. Notice I did not post this in the "Christian Philosopy and Ethics or Morality only Section", so you might want to go over there for that, etc. Truth is, we're kinda in new territory here with all that we are now capable of nowadays, etc. Unless you're one of those who thinks we should just kill all the homosexuals, etc.

God Bless.

David Lamb said:

I certainly don't think we should kill homosexuals, or anybody else who breaks God's commands - after all, we all do that.

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Then what do you suggest?

Neogaia777 said:

K, I'll suggest one right now, gender transitioning minors needs to be out, completely, but adults can do whatever they want to do in those areas, etc, and the rest of us need to get comfortable/accepting of that, etc, but children/minors need to be somewhat, age-appropriately shielded/protected from some of that until they are of a certain age, etc. (Example: No drag Queen story time in elementary classrooms reading questionable materials for the elementary level, etc) (but don't yet know how that should be handled yet at the middle or high school levels yet, etc?) But gender transitioning, not until they are adults, etc. But can minors dress opposite of their current gender in schools maybe? Or should there be some rules there maybe, etc? I also don't think a human should be able to identify as anything outside of their own species, a.k.a., Homo-sapien, or human, etc, cause that's just getting ridiculous, etc. But what do you think?

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I also think there are really only two genders, as they are the only ones found in just about every other species/lifeform in nature, etc. But what we need to settle is do adults have to right to try and transition from one, to another, etc, and in today's society, I would say adults do, if they really want to, but I'm also not sure of all of the other in's and out's we would need to decide with that? Maybe some of you can help with that maybe, etc?

David Lamb said:

I suggest that ideas about "right" and "wrong" must be based on what God says, otherwise we each end up with our personal ideas of right and wrong, or to put it in bible terms, everybody does what is right in their own eyes.

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Our government cannot favor any one religion over another, or even people who just want to "make up" their own religion, with it's own views, and so we, therefore, cannot favor any one view or take over another, etc. Decisions have to made on the kind of logic and reason that is appropriate to our modern era, etc. And that the majority can all agree with, etc.

Certain companies/businesses/corporations should be able to discriminate "somewhat" according to their own religious and/or spiritual/personal views, but it should only be certain ones, and only about certain things, and it has to be "within reason", etc. But, honestly, this is what our courts and those who make our laws are supposed to be for, and are supposed to be doing, to pound out all the specific deatils of all of these things, and what qualifies (and maybe doesn't qualify) as "certain ones", and "to or for or about or toward what", and also what might qualify (or not qualify) as being "within reason" or not also, etc, as it's far to complicated for just only one mind to try and decide, etc, which is what we have them for, etc. So in my opinion, they need to get to work, etc. Either that, or not get paid, etc. Because they're not doing their jobs, etc.

The same thing I just said would apply to different churches, or religous houses/organizations, the courts, and those who make our laws, would have to decide what these are allowed to do, or not do, "within reason", etc, which they would have to also decide/define, etc. Different religous houses could decide to disqualify certain individuals from having certain positions within their own religious houses/organizations based on "sexual immorality", for example, which could place them well within their rights to refuse certain individuals from certain positions within their own religious houses or organizations based on what they think that is, or what qualifies for that maybe, since it is a "religious belief", etc. Lawmakers in individual countries would ultimately have to decide, etc. Lawmakers would probably have to make rules/laws saying that they can't discriminate just solely based on the homosexual rule or not only, but maybe only if they made it fall under some kind of blanket statement of "sexual immorality" and didn't discriminate just only based on the homosexual or not issue only, etc. Or that would probably be the wisest course for right now probably, etc.

Larniavc said:

Not killing them.

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More than overarchingly agree, etc. And they do in fact, should have a right to do that or be that or choose that if they want or choose, and without anyone else treating them any differently because of it, etc.

A certain discomfort at first is only natural for some individuals at first, but it doesn't justify or override another full grown adults rights, and nor does it justify treating them any differently just solely based on that, and that only, etc.