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Hundreds of psychiatrists diagnosed Trump as having Malignant NPD. If the Administration got sick of him, who enacts the 25th? When? How?
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No, the change has been steady and increasingly warmer. Trump putting burdens on clean energy to prop up coal usage makes no environmental sense.
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It was pointed out that Biden showed signs of normal, slowed down aging, but not dementia. Trump is showing increased impulsivity, vastly reduced vocabulary, difficulty staying awake during the day as well as difficulty sleeping at night, etc.
There are the Epstein files, ordering vindictive prosecutions, pursuing retaliation against political opponents using the power of his office, appointing incompetent people (Senate, this is also on you!), accepting gratuities from favor seekers, allowing his business to profit obscenely doing business deals in the Middle East, cryptogrift, flouting direct judicial orders, etc.
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Adding goalposts is just as bad as moving them.
The Earth (and its various governments) will have to address the problem before “it gets too bad to fix”.
One uses the technology one has, should climate summits limit participants to eighteenth century modes of transportation?
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What is gained?
Americans might question the systems that allowed this, especially when there's this thing called the 25th!
Just asserting the premise is flawed does not show the premise to be flawed.
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This would require that the Vice-President is capable of carrying out the detailed strictures of said Amendment—the rest of the cabinet would have to be in league with the VEEP.
In general power-struggles at the tippy top of a government are exceedingly rare and require quick, decisive action by competent people.
Get real
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There is no such diagnosis of "Malignant NPD".
Malignant narcissism is a theoretical personality disorder construct conceptually distinguished from typical narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) by the presence of antisocial behavior, egosyntonic sadism, and a paranoid orientation,[1][2] while still retaining some capacity for guilt and loyalty.[2]Malignant narcissism is not recognized as a diagnostic category in any major classification system for mental disorders, namely[3]DSM-5-TR,[4] or ICD-11, the latter of which diagnoses personality disorders dimensionally rather than categorically.[5] Rather, it is conceptualized as a subcategory of NPD.[6][7] Although it is not recognized as its own distinct disorder, the Alternative DSM-5 Model for Personality Disorders - presented in section III of both DSM-5 and DSM-5-TR - explicitly mentions "malignant narcissism" as an example of a case when additional antagonistic traits characteristic of antisocial personality disorder[8] may be specified for NPDMalignant narcissism - Wikipedia
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Categories vs Dimensions
Absolutely correct - and if I said they CATEGORISED him as having malignant NPD I apologise. But I don't think I said that. If you go back, I think I said they diagnosed him - not categorised him.
You have to understand the DSM terms. It's been a few decades since I did my little 2 year Advanced Dip in Social Sciences, but I don't think this is something that has changed. Indeed - if you just bothered to browse through the links in your quote above - you might not have bombastically copied and pasted it here with your triumphant but incorrect assertions.
When they say malignant narcissism is not a diagnostic category, they are using a technical term. They are not saying it is not a thing. They are saying malignant narcissism is still a thing - but described under another technical method. It appears industry jargon threw you.
There are categorical schemes and non-categorical schemes. The categorical schemes try to be more distinctive, and use scientifically observable operational definitions - like observable phenomenon like increases in heart rate, blood pressure, etc.
The non-categorical schemes tend to describe things on a spectrum, aka dimensional models. In this case - we know that all narcissists are hard to work with or live with, because they lack empathy and think they are entitled to everything. But within the NPD category - on that difficult spectrum - there are those with NPD that are particularly mean and seem to enjoy the suffering of others more than their NPD peers. It's a question of degrees within a disorder, not a different category. Red Green and Blue are Primary Colours. Teal is half way between Green and Blue, and is not a Primary Colour. But it is still a colour.
To make matters even worse - there is even debate about whether the category system should be used at all! We all have bad days. We all can be a little narcissistic at times! Does that mean we all have NPD? Is this another area where one thing is art, but another is porn, and "I know it when I see it?"
Describing the incredible variety of human behaviours and quirks is hard and technical.
Conceptually and theoretically
Highlighting "conceptually" and "theoretical" also betrays a lack of understanding as to how the DSM works. In another industry, it's the equivalent of going through a climate paper and highlighting every time they use the term "uncertainty" to argue that climate change isn't real. Or going through an oil reserves paper and highlighting "probability" or all the P numbers (P50, P80, whatever) to argue there is no such thing as oil!
The rest of the wiki you quoted
Indeed, it's like you didn't even read the rest of the very Wiki you quoted from!If "malignant narcissism" isn't a thing - please explain why the industry has been discussing it longer than I've been alive?
Early uses of the term
The social psychologist Erich Fromm first coined the term "malignant narcissism" in 1964. He characterized the condition as a solipsistic form of narcissism, in which the individual takes pride in their own inherent traits rather than their achievements, and thus does not require a connection to other people or to reality.[11] Edith Weigert (1967) saw malignant narcissism as a "regressive escape from frustration by distortion and denial of reality", while Herbert Rosenfeld (1971) described it as "a disturbing form of narcissistic personality where grandiosity is built around aggression and the destructive aspects of the self become idealized."[12] Psychoanalyst George H. Pollock wrote in 1978: "The malignant narcissist is presented as pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty and sadism".[13] In 1983, M. Scott Peck used malignant narcissism as a way to explain evil.[14]
Proposal as a diagnosis
Psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg first introduced his ideas on narcissistic personalities in 1970. At that time, he used the word "psychopathy" to describe a form of narcissistic personality that included antisocial and sadistic traits, but he did not yet use the term "malignant narcissism". He described the antisocial personality as fundamentally narcissistic and lacking morality, with a sadistic element that created, in essence, a sadistic psychopath.[15]
In 1984, Kernberg first proposed malignant narcissism as a psychiatric diagnosis.[16] He described malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and egosyntonic aggression.[17] Other symptoms may[according to whom?] include an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and grandiosity.
As of 2025, malignant narcissism has not been included as a diagnostic category in any of the diagnostic manuals, such as the International Classification of Diseases (ICD) or the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The conceptual framework for personality disorders in the ICD-11 – the latest edition of the ICD – does indeed not have any separate diagnoses for distinct personality disorders; rather, personality disorder itself is classified dimensionally based on severity, and can be specified by Prominent personality traits or patterns. The DSM-5 and DSM-5-TR have retained the categorical, polythetic personality disorder classification from the DSM-IV-TR. However, both also contain the Alternative DSM-5 Model for Personality Disorders, which contains its own conceptual model of NPD; for this diagnosis, the AMPD exemplifies additional antagonistic specifiers as in the case of "malignant narcissism".[9][10]
If the ICD is starting to abandon Categorical methods of describing even whole categories of different personality disorders themselves, and is moving towards a Dimensional description - should we be surprised that the DSM which still uses Categorical schemes settles for Dimensional models for sub-categories within NPD itself?
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Ha ha! I see what you did there.
In this instance, with the current setup, I sort of agree - despite my idealism and desperate hope.
But IF Republican's start to whisper - the voices would grow and get so loud that even this mob might do something!
This is meant to be the party that values guns to maintain the constitution and freedom of speech!
They're now busy arguing why it was lawful for brown-shirts to gun down civilians in the street for legally carrying a gun to a protest!
Are all Republicans now totally MAGA?
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EVIDENCE DURING CAMPAIGN?
I'm no Biden apologist, and see the fact that the Democratic party allowed Biden to run again as more evidence that our Australian Westminster PARTY System has some advantages over the American Presidential system.
But you must be watching Fox news for it to be 'so evident.' At least during his campaign! (He was unwell and suffering from some kind of exhaustion during that last horrible debate.) Sure - he really aged during that second term. But as an Australian, I was far less concerned about "sleepy Joe" being sleepy given his team could advise him and send him for an afternoon hot milk and cookie and nana-nap if needed!
Try telling Trump what to do when he's having an NPD moment!
PROFESSIONAL ADVISERS
Biden was surrounded by professionals with experience in their posts. He had a competent team to advise him, and a history of listening to them on all matters. (Except of course - "Please don't run again!")
BUT TRUMP appoints "flying monkeys", a therapist term for those who enable narcissists. They're all sycophants praising his every brain-blurt. Otherwise they know they're OUT the moment they disagree! OUT like Elon!
TRUMP appointed conspiracy theorists to head up his major justice departments, and a Fox news anchor to head up the military!? The world is still cringing and laughing with embarrassment at Hegseth's 'cranky gym teacher' rant!
Actually, it's far more serious than that.
The world is cold-shouldering America now. We no longer trust the American regime.
Carney nailed it.
He also negotiated the largest free-trading zone in history.
And America isn't in it.
GO TRUMP'S TARIFFS!
I hate to say this for all the Americans I know and like, but you guys voted for him, and defended his NPD idea of tariffs against all rational common sense and "normal" Republican dogma. (See Reagan on tariffs!)
But - as just ONE of thousands of examples of his NPD - Trump has decided tariffs are beautiful. Because they are way he can punish his perceived enemies (everyone outside the USA that ever poked fun at him!) and accrue heaps of tax for the Federal government (while pretending the other country is paying for it to those MAGA's who believe every word Trump utters!).
It's tax raising without calling it tax.
And meanwhile, he and his family rake in the billions in bribes and tricky deals from within the office.
As long as HE is all-right on the night, thank you very much!
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You mean the climate has changed before! (Feigns shock horror and chucks all climate science out!)
I mean - do the climatologists KNOW ABOUT THIS?
Ha ha ha! If you knew a single thing about climate science, you would know that not only are climatologists aware of previous entirely natural climate changes - but that modern climate science relies on them to understand our situation today!
3 LEGS OF THE CLIMATE STOOL:
1: the raw physics of greenhouse gases, demonstrable in any decent physics lab on the planet.
2: Measuring / discerning any other current natural forcings at work today.
3: Paleoclimate science that gives us various "risk assessments" of where we are heading!
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I wonder how many Germans thought the same thing of their nation in the early 1930's?
I hope so.
For your sake, and for mine.
Indeed - the whole human race.
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True. But today, it is even worse. My son has studied some social sciences and health policy, and says that this kind of wealth disparity actually has negative health outcomes in that society.
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Thanks for schooling me on how to drink the kool aid!You mean the climate has changed before! (Feigns shock horror and chucks all climate science out!)
I mean - do the climatologists KNOW ABOUT THIS?
Ha ha ha! If you knew a single thing about climate science, you would know that not only are climatologists aware of previous entirely natural climate changes - but that modern climate science relies on them to understand our situation today!
3 LEGS OF THE CLIMATE STOOL:
1: the raw physics of greenhouse gases, demonstrable in any decent physics lab on the planet.
2: Measuring / discerning any other current natural forcings at work today.
3: Paleoclimate science that gives us various "risk assessments" of where we are heading!
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Trump's Cabinet members would have to move against him.
Given that they were hand-picked because of their appalling lack of values and honesty, it's unlikely they care enough to give up their destructive oligarchial power.
Given that they were hand-picked because of their appalling lack of values and honesty, it's unlikely they care enough to give up their destructive oligarchial power.
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