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Is Greenland the reward?

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Just speculating here, but it has always seemed to me to be quite ridiculous that the USA announces its intent to annex Greenland without actually doing anything but annoy its allies and the people of Greenland in the process. If they really want it then it would happen, its not as though anyone could stop them.
The resources are there for the taking. The native Greenland people are happy if you had them money and they do not care if you take their resources. We see this in Alaska where people are happy to receive a check every year and they do not really care what you do with their oil.
 
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It seems that the new US defence strategy includes the assumption that international law does not apply to American annexation of Greenland because it is in the US national interest
If people want to be upset about something, there are real human‑rights abuses happening right now that deserve attention. Look at what has happened in Tibet under Chinese rule. Protests and dissent are often met with force, and reports from human‑rights organizations describe intimidation, military presence, and severe pressure on local communities. These issues rarely get the outrage they deserve, even though the people living there face far harsher conditions than most of us can imagine.
 
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If people want to be upset about something, there are real human‑rights abuses happening right now that deserve attention. Look at what has happened in Tibet under Chinese rule. Protests and dissent are often met with force, and reports from human‑rights organizations describe intimidation, military presence, and severe pressure on local communities. These issues rarely get the outrage they deserve, even though the people living there face far harsher conditions than most of us can imagine.
Oppression Olympics time again already?
 
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The olympics do start soon this month.
Think the Tibetans will get gold for most oppressed this year? I think it’s a dead heat between North Koreans and Eritreans myself. Are people required to give all other problems a pass until the Kims and Afwerki are out of power?
 
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Think the Tibetans will get gold for most oppressed this year?
I read

The Snow Leopard by Peter Matthiessen​

This is the most famous and enduring book ever written about snow leopards in the Himalayan/Tibetan region. It documents Matthiessen’s 1973 expedition with biologist George Schaller into the Dolpo region on the Tibetan Plateau, searching for the elusive snow leopard while also exploring Tibetan culture and spirituality.

Even my brother knows him. They studied in the same monastery. It is a shame that China ruined Tibet when they put that train in. Then they bring in the soldiers and the girls that follow the soldiers. Is nothing sacred anymore?
 
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Admirable.

The Snow Leopard by Peter Matthiessen​

This is the most famous and enduring book ever written about snow leopards in the Himalayan/Tibetan region. It documents Matthiessen’s 1973 expedition with biologist George Schaller into the Dolpo region on the Tibetan Plateau, searching for the elusive snow leopard while also exploring Tibetan culture and spirituality.

Even my brother knows him. They studied in the same monastery. It is a shame that China ruined Tibet when they put that train in. Then they bring in the soldiers and the girls that follow the soldiers. Is nothing sacred anymore?
Not a very convincing campaign for gold there but it has worked to shift the thread from the presidents fool’s errand of expansionism.
 
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Admirable.


Not a very convincing campaign for gold there but it has worked to shift the thread from the presidents fool’s errand of expansionism.
“I’m not trying to be pro‑ or anti‑Trump here. My concern is about justice and how smaller or Indigenous communities are treated when powerful nations want their resources. History gives us examples like Alaska, where many Native groups negotiated terms and benefited, and Tibet, where the people were overrun and lost their autonomy. My point is simply that God’s justice doesn’t allow payola or exploitation. Any future dealings—whether with Greenland or anywhere else—should honor the people who live on the land. And in the Kingdom Age, all systems of exploitation will be done away with.”

  • bribery
  • favoritism
  • back‑room deals
  • influence purchased by wealth, status, or connections
God’s justice categorically excludes all of it.
 
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“I’m not trying to be pro‑ or anti‑Trump here. My concern is about justice and how smaller or Indigenous communities are treated when powerful nations want their resources. History gives us examples like Alaska, where many Native groups negotiated terms and benefited, and Tibet, where the people were overrun and lost their autonomy. My point is simply that God’s justice doesn’t allow payola or exploitation.

Yet here we are.

Any future dealings—whether with Greenland or anywhere else—should honor the people who live on the land.

From your previous posts that means shut up and take it so long as there is a check coming. I don't see how it would even out with the Greenlanders on the take the check front as whatever remittances are given for the extraction of their resources are unlikely to be cover the short fall of the removal of the Danish welfare state. Not to mention the laughable idea that US companies will have their profits skimmed after a war of conquest or forced land deal to get them access to Greenland.

And in the Kingdom Age, all systems of exploitation will be done away with.”

  • bribery
  • favoritism
  • back‑room deals
  • influence purchased by wealth, status, or connections
God’s justice categorically excludes all of it.

Right around the corner I am sure. Just like fusion power.
 
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“I’m not trying to be pro‑ or anti‑Trump here. My concern is about justice and how smaller or Indigenous communities are treated when powerful nations want their resources. History gives us examples like Alaska, where many Native groups negotiated terms and benefited, and Tibet, where the people were overrun and lost their autonomy. My point is simply that God’s justice doesn’t allow payola or exploitation. Any future dealings—whether with Greenland or anywhere else—should honor the people who live on the land. And in the Kingdom Age, all systems of exploitation will be done away with.”

  • bribery
  • favoritism
  • back‑room deals
  • influence purchased by wealth, status, or connections
God’s justice categorically excludes all of it.
The first rule is: Keep your mineral rights. Never sell the mineral rights. No matter how much money you're offered up front for a full buy-out, it will be chump change in two generations if you sell your mineral rights.
 
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The first rule is: Keep your mineral rights. Never sell the mineral rights. No matter how much money you're offered up front for a full buy-out, it will be chump change in two generations if you sell your mineral rights.
When you look at how nations handle land and resources today, you can see how far we’ve drifted from God’s design. Colonial powers took the wealth and left the people with almost nothing, and in places like the Philippines the same families still control the resources generations later. Modern governments do something similar in a different way—federal parks are treated as if the people are the threat, so you can’t even pick up a rock or a leaf without breaking a rule.

The Kingdom Age reverses that entire pattern. God gives the land back to the people He intended to steward it. Inheritance replaces elite control. Stewardship replaces restriction. Instead of citizens being treated like trespassers on their own land, families are restored to their portion and held responsible for its care.

The issue isn’t the rock—it’s the mindset that the land belongs to the system, not the people. The Kingdom restores that order.
 
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Is Greenland America's reward for bringing peace between Russia and Ukraine and getting Ukraine to concede land to Russia.

Just speculating here, but it has always seemed to me to be quite ridiculous that the USA announces its intent to annex Greenland without actually doing anything but annoy its allies and the people of Greenland in the process. If they really want it then it would happen, its not as though anyone could stop them.

There are some good strategic reasons to do this:
1) America is better equipped to police this territory against Russian or Chinese incursions than are the Danes even despite recent Danish investment
2) America would gain control of the rare earth resources that global warming is exposing on the island.
3) It fits the Monroe (Donroe) doctrine version of American isolationism favored by Trumps Republicans, securing the continental USA against Great power incursions

There are also some really good reasons not to do this:
1) It would set the USA in direct conflict with another NATO member Denmark and with the wider EU and possibly split the alliance irreparably
2) It is not what the people of Greenland want and so the USA would be storing up trouble for the future as well as sabotaging its international reputation.
3) America could gain most of the military and economic benefits of Greenland's mines and location without annexation.

So why is Trump mouthing off about Greenland while not doing anything. If he loses the midterms I guess this policy gets benched forever but maybe he never thought he would have to wait this long for peace in Ukraine. His plan was make peace, stop excessive Russian advance into Europe, gain a whole bunch of rare earth concessions from the Ukrainians and then as his reward for helping Europe out to get Greenland. With Greenland secured and the Russians and Chinese driven out of Venezuela and Cuba bankrupt, He would have much of the Americas stabilized under USA dominance.

So why hasn't he got a peace deal yet? Is Putin dragging out the war until after the midterms when he thinks he can dictate terms to a weakened Trump and stop Trump taking Greenland also? Obviously this would suit Chinese interests also. Perhaps this would explain that 'hidden something' that Putin appeared to have on Trump that seemed to make Trump consistently pro-Russian and blind to war atrocities. If Greenland was the swap for Russia gaining Ukrainian territory then this explains Putin's apparent leverage over Trump in Alaska and throughout the negotiation process, along with some naughty pictures??!!.

It would also have extremely worrying implications for NATO. It would mean that Trump has always intended to split the alliance but was cool headed enough to understand that he had to secure peace in Ukraine first. He has a stronger negotiation position with Europe on board but after peace he no longer needs them.

This close to a deal in Ukraine is this all nonsense or an explanation why the deal might yet fall through. Just a theory - what do you think`?
does golden dome rely on Greenland as necessary?

Yes, proponents argue Greenland is strategically vital for the "Golden Dome" missile defense system, providing a crucial mid-course interception point and optimal ground station location for space-based sensors due to its polar location, though some analysts contend the system could function differently or that Greenland isn't essential for basic functions like early warning radar, which is already there. The debate centers on whether physical control or just access to facilities like Pituffik Space Base is needed, with current U.S. access under existing agreements.
Why Greenland is Considered Important:
  • Forward-Basing Interceptors: Its location allows for intercepting incoming missiles in their mid-course phase (coasting through space), creating a second line of defense before they reach the U.S. mainland.
  • Space-Based Architecture: It's ideal for ground stations for the satellite network, offering frequent communication with polar-orbiting satellites and clear atmospheric conditions for laser links.
  • Strategic Flight Paths: It sits on the flight paths of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) targeting the U.S. from the Arctic.
Counterarguments & Nuances:
  • Existing Architecture: The existing Upgraded Early Warning Radar at Pituffik (Thule) already provides critical early warning, separate from interceptors.
  • Not Necessarily for Basic Function: Some argue that the core of the system (space-based assets) doesn't require Greenland, and that land-based components could be adjusted,.
  • Access vs. Control: The U.S. currently has military access via the 1951 Greenland Defense Agreement, raising questions about the need for further control.
In essence, Greenland offers significant enhancements for maximizing the Golden Dome's effectiveness, but the necessity hinges on whether the system's goals require its presence as a forward launch/sensor hub, or if existing infrastructure and alternative locations suffice for basic defense.

Safety from "Vladimir Putin" of Russia basically. Anyone remember the old slogan of the '70s "Better dead than Red?" Russian invasion envisioned by the movie "Red Dawn"
 
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So why is Trump mouthing off about Greenland
NATO is not getting the job done. Greenland has resources that we want and need. If this were the Kingdom age Jesus would work it out so everyone got what was fair for them. NATO is failing to do that. There is already a problem with Russia and Nato over Ukraine. I do not blame Trump for being upset that NATO is not doing their job.

NATO cannot resolve the Greenland issue because it has no authority over territorial sovereignty, and the dispute is between two NATO allies. There is no international court and we clearly need one. Trump is trying to work with Greenland and Denmark but no one wants to work out a deal with him over what he wants and needs.

Even in the kingdom age there will be nations that do not want to work with Jesus. Zechariah 14:17. This is the clearest Kingdom‑Age statement that some nations will refuse to cooperate with Jesus, and that He will respond with drought.

Jesus can enforce obedience in the Kingdom Age because all authority belongs to Him, His justice is perfect, and His rule restores creation rather than exploiting it.

There is no international court to settle disputes but there is an international court to stop military action.
 
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NATO is not getting the job done. Greenland has resources that we want and need. If this were the Kingdom age Jesus would work it out so everyone got what was fair for them. NATO is failing to do that. There is already a problem with Russia and Nato over Ukraine. I do not blame Trump for being upset that NATO is not doing their job.
Must have missed the part of that treaty where it said their job was to deliver resources to the US.
NATO cannot resolve the Greenland issue because it has no authority over territorial sovereignty, and the dispute is between two NATO allies. There is no international court and we clearly need one. Trump is trying to work with Greenland and Denmark but no one wants to work out a deal with him over what he wants and needs.
Yeah, he's not great with that whole no means no thing.
 
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NATO is not getting the job done. Greenland has resources that we want and need. If this were the Kingdom age Jesus would work it out so everyone got what was fair for them. NATO is failing to do that. There is already a problem with Russia and Nato over Ukraine. I do not blame Trump for being upset that NATO is not doing their job.

NATO cannot resolve the Greenland issue because it has no authority over territorial sovereignty, and the dispute is between two NATO allies. There is no international court and we clearly need one. Trump is trying to work with Greenland and Denmark but no one wants to work out a deal with him over what he wants and needs.

Even in the kingdom age there will be nations that do not want to work with Jesus. Zechariah 14:17. This is the clearest Kingdom‑Age statement that some nations will refuse to cooperate with Jesus, and that He will respond with drought.

Jesus can enforce obedience in the Kingdom Age because all authority belongs to Him, His justice is perfect, and His rule restores creation rather than exploiting it.

There is no international court to settle disputes but there is an international court to stop military action.
You are equating Trump to Jesus.

But I'm not surprised that you are.
 
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You are equating Trump to Jesus.

But I'm not surprised that you are.
No — I’m not equating NATO to Jesus. I’m making a contrast. NATO is a human alliance with limited authority, competing interests, and nations that hold back resources from one another. But when Jesus returns, He will not be one power among many. He will be King, and He will rule the entire world with perfect justice.

This is the part people forget. Everyone talks about the Second Coming, but they don’t always connect the dots. Jesus doesn’t return as the suffering Servant — He returns as the Lion of Judah, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That title means exactly what it says: His kingdom in Jerusalem will rule over all the kingdoms of the earth. Not some. Not a few. All.

And because His rule is righteous, we won’t have situations like we see today — for example, Greenland holding resources while other nations need them. Human governments protect what they have. They negotiate, bargain, or refuse. But the Bible teaches a different principle: “Give, and it shall be given unto you.” God gives resources to nations as a test — to reveal whether they will act with generosity or selfishness.

Under Jesus’ reign, that problem disappears. There will be no withholding, no competing sovereignties, no nations clutching what God gave them. The King will judge rightly, distribute fairly, and rule with perfect authority. His kingdom doesn’t operate by scarcity or fear. It operates by righteousness.

That’s the difference. Human alliances struggle to share. Christ’s kingdom commands justice, generosity, and peace.
 
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Must have missed the part of that treaty where it said their job was to deliver resources to the US.
You are correct, that is not their job. This is why we look forward to when Jesus returns and we have a thone that people bring their case before Jesus. Even now there is a right and a wrong.

God gives resources as a test of the heart. Clearly Greenland is failing the test.

We have this in our Federal Parks. If you remove a blade of grass you can spend 6 months in Jail.

Penalty for Violating 36 CFR § 2.1 (Taking a Plant, Rock, Grass, etc.)

Under federal law, violating 36 CFR § 2.1 is a Class B federal misdemeanor.

Maximum possible penalty (on the books):

  • Up to 6 months in federal jail
  • Up to a $5,000 fine
 
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God gives resources as a test of the heart. Clearly Greenland is failing the test.

Denmark is failing the test by not ceding their territory? Some steps are missing there.
We have this in our Federal Parks. If you remove a blade of grass you can spend 6 months in Jail.

Penalty for Violating 36 CFR § 2.1 (Taking a Plant, Rock, Grass, etc.)

Under federal law, violating 36 CFR § 2.1 is a Class B federal misdemeanor.

Maximum possible penalty (on the books):

  • Up to 6 months in federal jail
  • Up to a $5,000 fine
Random irrelevant law is random and irrelevant.
 
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Denmark is failing the test by not ceding their territory? Some steps are missing there.
I am talking about their resources.

“Why Greenland Keeps Showing Up in U.S. Strategy Discussions”

People joke about Greenland, but there’s a straightforward reason it keeps coming up in U.S. strategic conversations: it sits on top of some of the most important minerals of the 21st century.

Greenland has unusually large deposits of:

  • Rare earth elements (used in phones, EVs, wind turbines, and advanced military systems)
  • Uranium and other critical minerals
  • Anorthosite and industrial‑grade materials
As global supply chains shift, these resources matter more every year. The U.S. is trying to reduce dependence on foreign suppliers—especially China—for the minerals that modern technology and defense systems rely on.

Add to that:

  • Its location between North America and Europe
  • Air and naval routes that run directly over the island
  • The growing importance of the Arctic as sea ice retreats
…and Greenland becomes a strategic asset, not a real‑estate joke.

You don’t have to agree with any particular politician to see the logic. Minerals + geography = long‑term strategic interest. That’s the whole story in one line.

1. China took Tibet because of strategic value, not cultural affinity

Beijing moved into Tibet in 1950 and has treated the region as a strategic asset ever since. Tibet gives China:

  • A massive buffer zone against India
  • Control of the Himalayan water sources
  • Access to minerals and energy potential
  • Military high‑ground in Asia
Once China decides something is strategically important, it locks it down.

2. Control of resources follows political control

Tibet has deposits of:

  • Copper
  • Lithium
  • Gold
  • Rare minerals used in modern tech
China’s approach is simple: secure the territory first, then develop the resources under state supervision.

3. Cultural suppression is part of the consolidation strategy

To keep the region stable for long‑term resource and military planning, Beijing enforces:

  • Tight political control
  • Restrictions on monasteries
  • Surveillance of monks and nuns
  • Limits on Tibetan language and identity
This isn’t random—it’s the same “stability first” model China uses anywhere it sees strategic value.

4. Tibet fits the larger pattern

You see the same logic in:

  • Xinjiang (energy corridors and minerals)
  • Hong Kong (financial control)
  • South China Sea (shipping lanes and military reach)
  • Global rare‑earth supply chains (industrial leverage)
Strategic value first, local rights second.
 
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