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From the Levitical priestly order - to the Order of Melchizedek
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That would be incorrect.
We have the righteousness of Jesus because our fallen human spirits were renewed/regenerated by His blood when we were born from above. We are truly adopted into the kingdom of GOD because of that. We were blood bought from our slavery.
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And I looked up. the HEBREW word MIKVEH. and. it said means a gathering or a collection of water or HOPE
so where is the word BAPRISM. ??
And Jesus was water baptized to fulfill all RIGHTEOUSNESS. and out still does not say why Jesus was
WATER // HYDOR with WATER. and would like to. your reply??
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And there some that quote 1 John 5:18 that says , WE know that WHOSOEVER is BORN of GOD. SINN ETH NOT.
and the b b word NOT. //. OU. , his a DISJUNATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means they can NEVER EVER SIN and just
check the Greek text !!
And the CONTEXT OF 1 John is happening during the GREAT. TRIBULATION. AS the BODY. of CHRIST WILL BE CAUGTH UP
in 2 Thess 2:1 and 3. it does not mean FALLING AWAY as the Greek word is DEPARTUIRE //. APOSTASIA
And in. verse 4. the temple has been rebuilt and the ANTICHRIST is sitting in. the TEMPLE calling Himself god and
read to verses 4-10
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The water of baptism and the words commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19 wash away our sins and make us Jesus' disciples. The water used in this baptism is the conduit that applies the merits of Jesus Christ's sacrificial blood to our souls. This sanctifies us and spiritually rebirths us into his fellowship.
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This means that they personally chose to stop sinning against God's commandments.
It does not mean that they believe they can continue to do evil things and not face any consequences for their sinful choices.
What happens to the spiritually reborn Christians who refuse to stop sinning? They receive the wrath of God instead of eternal life,
Romans 2:8
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
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I haven't either.
There are two types of sins, "mortal" and "not mortal."
Mortal sins sever our relationship with God. 1 John 5:16-17, Ephesians 5:4-8, Galatians 5:19-21, Colossians 3:5-6
If we do not repent of these sins before we die, we will not be approved to inherit eternal life. Luke 16:19-26
"Not mortal" sins do not sever our relationship with God, but they damage it because we have harmed our neighbors. Romans 13:10
Until we have made restitution for the damages that our "not mortal" sins have caused to our neighbors, either here on earth or else in the prison under the earth after our death, we will not be permitted to enjoy heaven. Luke 12:57-59, 1 Corinthians 3:12-14, 1 Peter 3:19
Jesus Christ taught:
Luke 13:24
“Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Luke 13:22-27
John taught that we must confess our sins if we want to be forgiven:
1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 2:1-3
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
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I have a different view of this, though I'm not sure. I think in the OT there were sins that led to death and sins that did not lead to death. This was given to the Hebrew community and suggested nothing with respect to Eternal Life. All who were truly in relationship with the Lord were the Community of Redeemed. But some sins required the termination of a person's mortal life due to the severity of the sin and its consequences.
I do believe that if we are to continue in our ministry and complete it we have to maintain clean lives. This requires us to confess whenever we commit sins so that their impact is mitigated, and others can be rescued from any way we may have impacted them negatively.
Confession is something we must do to God in order to be corrected by Him. And we should confess to those we victimize so that restoration can take place in both their lives and our lives.
None of this has to do with Eternal Salvation--just with walking the narrow path of the Saved Life, fulfilling our calling and our ministry. My opinion only....
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Thank you for sharing your opinions. I always enjoy hearing them.
IMO, John is warning us that committing mortal sins causes our spiritual death (immediate estrangement from God), not our immediate physical death.
A person who commits a mortal sin must repent of it before he dies or else he will not be approved to enter into eternal life. Galatians 5:19-23
Ezekiel also warns us that when we commit any of the spiritually deadly sins, we will be immediately estranged from God.
Ezekiel 3312-16
As for you, son of man, say to your countrymen: The virtue of a righteous man will not save him when he transgresses. Nor will the evil deeds of a wicked man cause his downfall once he renounces his wickedness, any more than the righteous will be able to live by their righteousness when they sin.
13 If I say to the righteous that they will surely live, but then they presume on their righteousness and commit iniquity, none of their righteous deeds will be remembered. Because of the wrong they have done, they will die.
14 Again, if I say to the wicked that they will surely die, and then they turn away from sin and do what is lawful and upright, 15 give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, adhere to the practices that ensure life, and commit no wrongful acts, they shall surely live; they shall not die. 16 None of the previous sins they committed will be remembered against them. Because they have done what is lawful and upright, they shall surely live.
BTW, I think I now have a better understanding of Daniel 9:24. I used the KJ21 translation and other resources.
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I appreciate your beliefs and statements, as well. As I said, I remain open on questionable matters, and for me this is one.
I continue to believe that passages like Eze 33 and 1 John 5 have to do with Saved Christians, and not with Lost Christians. We read in the early chapters of Leviticus that some sins are more intentional than others, indicating that many sin without a clear sense that they are rejecting God. An animal had to die for them regardless. It meant that even believers deserve death.
But some sins are more intentional and cannot be forgiven if they are deliberately aimed at rejecting God. This is damnation, and not just death. So, I'm with you on that. They do not confess because they intended to sin. And they will be Lost.
Nevertheless, many like King Saul or Ananias and Saphirra, sinned and died without a statement that they were anything more than rejected in this life--not in the next. No statement indicates they were damned.
And I'm sure many foolish people have had temporary moments of "insanity" when they drove and capitulated to drinking, only to find themselves dead in a car wreck. Who's to say they died and went to Hell? Did they have time to confess every sin?
What if a good Christian who just had a nasty fight with his wife died suddenly when a drunk driver hit him. He didn't have time to confess every sin. I'm sure he wouldn't go to Hell over one commission or over one ommission.
Ancient Israel was dealt with as if they all were heirs of Eternal Life, and were only cut off when they completely abandoned their God. It's left to the NT era and Jesus to show the great divide between God's People and the Devil's People. Death happens to all. But some deserve the 2nd Death.
But it's a reasonable question and look forward to hearing from others on this subject. I believe many have died doing foolish things, including suicide, but will still enter into the Kingdom of God. Many fail to be chosen to represent God because they did not accept the standards necessary to represent Him.
But Salvation is a matter of mercy, and I think God chooses to Save those who fail but failed out of weakness--not because they necessarily rejected God within them.
Sometimes it is just pride because they didn't want to acknowledge their sin. God will choose regardless who He wants in His Eternal Kingdom. Thanks again for the interesting exchange.
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We each need to decide for ourselves what to believe.
The following teachings of Jesus are good to meditate on:
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter through the narrow gate, for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few in number.
Luke 13:23-27
Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?” He answered, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will try to enter but will not succeed in doing so.
25 “When once the master of the house has gotten up and shut the door, you may find yourself standing outside knocking on the door and begging, ‘Lord, open the door for us.’ He will say in reply, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will protest, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you evildoers!’
I do think that many people's beliefs about salvation disregard these important teachings.
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Yes, I have meditated on these passages and will continue to do so. And of course I will have to determine for myself what they mean. But here's a question for you:We each need to decide for ourselves what to believe.
The following teachings of Jesus are good to meditate on:
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter through the narrow gate, for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and those who find it are few in number.
Luke 13:23-27
Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?” He answered, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will try to enter but will not succeed in doing so.
25 “When once the master of the house has gotten up and shut the door, you may find yourself standing outside knocking on the door and begging, ‘Lord, open the door for us.’ He will say in reply, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will protest, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you evildoers!’
I do think that many people's beliefs about salvation disregard these important teachings.
What do you believe the OT concept of "Salvation" was and meant?
Here are my thoughts on it. We read in Rev 7 that a Great Multitude apparently obtains Eternal Life. This is not just a "few" who obtain Eternal Life.
So I believe Jesus was describing not the cost of obtaining Eternal Life, but rather, the cost of Discipleship. Relatively few pay the cost of true Discipleship, which involves giving up our own independent ways for a life lived in partnership with and in deference to Christ.
Few are able to make this decision and follow through with it. In the OT under the Law Israel obtained life *in this world* if they obeyed God, and often lost their lives if they disobeyed God continually. So, gaining life or losing life often was not a matter of gaining Eternal Life for them, but rather, a matter of continuing to live a redeemed life, bringing glory to God.
Again, I see OT Israel as exemplary of a nation of God, all of them intended to represent "Christians," so to speak. When they physically died under the curse of disobedience, it was a loss God suffered while the believer might still obtain Eternal Life through God's mercy.
As you say, we must all figure this out for ourselves. I think heaven will be chock full of people--millions upon millions, billions upon billions. But relatively few will have accomplished the present ministry on earth that God determined must take place for all to get there.
Millions and perhaps billions will be relegated to Outer Darkness, as well. But our concern is with those we are trying to help go through the narrow door, even knowing relatively few will attain to it, though they will be assured they have Eternal Life. But I believe God will find a way to help many of us fulfill His goals for the Church in this current mortal age.
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I think most OT Israelites were concerned about their physical life here on earth. Some were concerned about living a righteous life to please God. Abraham is one example. Most Israelites kept the rules to avoid bodily consequences such as stoning and other physical punishments such as "an eye for an eye."
I know that most practicing Jews of today do not believe in a hell of everlasting fire for anyone, except for maybe a few people, including Hitler. They do believe in Gehinnom, a place of purification after death, but no one is in there for more than twelve months.
The Jews of today believe that at the time of the Messianic Age, God will physically resurrect the dead, reuniting souls with their bodies in a new, perfected form.
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Yes, but I wasn't asking you what the Jews of today believe. I was asking you about the OT biblical definition of "salvation." I personally believe that physical deliverances indicate God's good pleasure in the same way that Eternal Salvation equates with God's good pleasure today.
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