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2026 State of the Union discussion thread

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Ok, so We the People are the citizens, not the invaders, and the government is there to serve us through our elected leaders. Since illegal aliens aren't eligible to vote to elect our leaders, then We the People is clearly referring to actual US citizens.
Even if that is granted, Persons are not We The People. "three fifths of all other Persons" is not referring to citizens.
 
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Even if that is granted, Persons are not We The People. "three fifths of all other Persons" is not referring to citizens.
Nor were the 3/5ths eligible to vote, just as the illegals aren't allowed to vote, and neither are protected by the Constitution. After slavery was abolished, the Constitution was amended to reflect that slaves were now full citizens.

Anyways, back on topic, which was about the SOTU address.
 

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Nor were the 3/5ths eligible to vote, just as the illegals aren't allowed to vote and were not protected by the Constitution.
You're losing the plot. Persons are protected by the Constitution. And Persons is not synonymous with Citizens.

The Framers were well acquainted with the word 'Citizen' and used it as needed in the Constitution.
 
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You're losing the plot. Persons are protected by the Constitution. And Persons is not synonymous with Citizens.

The Framers were well acquainted with the word 'Citizen' and used it as needed in the Constitution.
Thank you for sharing your opinion on the matter.
Back to the original topic now.
 
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From the first paragraph of the site: U.S. Senate: Constitution of the United States

"Written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, the United States Constitution is the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. Its first three words – “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens. The supremacy of the people through their elected representatives is recognized in Article I, which creates a Congress consisting of a Senate and a House of Representatives. The positioning of Congress at the beginning of the Constitution affirms its status as the “First Branch” of the federal government."

Ok, so We the People are the citizens, not the invaders, and the government is there to serve us through our elected leaders. Since illegal aliens aren't eligible to vote to elect our leaders, then We the People is clearly referring to actual US citizens.
That is very best post which I have read tonight. Regardless, despite the logic there, It’s my opinion that liberals will reject the truth and facts of your post.
 
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"Liberals" like the US Supreme Court in the 1900s and 1950s.

From here: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

In 1903, the Court in the Japanese Immigrant Case reviewed the legality of deporting an alien who had lawfully entered the United States, clarifying that an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population could not be deported without an opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.1 In the decades that followed, the Supreme Court maintained the notion that once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.2

Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5
 
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From the first paragraph of the site: U.S. Senate: Constitution of the United States

"Written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, the United States Constitution is the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. Its first three words – “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens. The supremacy of the people through their elected representatives is recognized in Article I, which creates a Congress consisting of a Senate and a House of Representatives. The positioning of Congress at the beginning of the Constitution affirms its status as the “First Branch” of the federal government."
This is not a very good reading by "the Senate". The Constitution states "We the People ... do establish ... this Constitution..." pulling out the subject, verb, and object of the sentence. "We the People" is there to say that the *people* of the US are creating the Constitution not the states or some god.
Ok, so We the People are the citizens, not the invaders, and the government is there to serve us through our elected leaders. Since illegal aliens aren't eligible to vote to elect our leaders, then We the People is clearly referring to actual US citizens.
Which has nothing to do with who gets due process (or the "We the People" opening clause).
 
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Trump said beef, egg and chicken prices are falling. Here’s what the data shows


TL; DR Eggs are down, beef and chicken not so much. The higher egg prices were due to the bird flu which is not currently affecting chickens as much.
 
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Sure they would.
More likely they would be looking to never have them deported, in the name of "social" justice. Their followers who are tricked into rioting for them (mostly in Minneapolis) and doing other emotional and unusual things.
Since they are deported, the statement if false. There is a process for deportation. It's not jack booted masked thugs armed to the teeth with little training ransacking neighborhoods stopping anyone and everyone brown to prove their citizenship on the spot. And in cases when the citizenship is proven, it's just called fake and off to deportation centers they go till judges have to make them release them. It's not social justice, it's called constitutional justice. Just ask all the judges who are tired of Trump officials literally lying in court or ignoring judges given their deportation actions. I don't know if you're American, but no American wants that.
 
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Trump once again regurgitated the lie that the exporting country pays tariffs.
The GOP stood up and gave a rounding applause in approval.
Really, what's the point of the SOTU now days?
There is a venue to to give awards.
 
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Sure they would.
More likely they would be looking to never have them deported, in the name of "social" justice. Their followers who are tricked into rioting for them (mostly in Minneapolis) and doing other emotional and unusual things.
I'm sorry, you really are blind to the reality here. You need only to look at the comments from others. They repeatedly say they want violent criminals removed. If you're in a city of any size I'm sure there will be people you can find opposed to ICE. Ask them. I guarantee every single one will agree that criminally violent undocumented persons should be deported. And look what the Democrats are asking for with regard to ICE. They want constitutionally compliant policing operations. They have never objected to capturing and deporting criminally violent undocumented persons. I don't understand you. Maybe you're trying to make your conscience feel better by pretending ICE never does anything cruel or evil.
 
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Biden has a 100% success rate against Trump.
Yep, that last presidential debate successfully killed his own campaign. Even his own party wouldn't allow him to continue running for president after that. So then they went with the next big "success" known as Kamala.
I hope to see more such success.
 
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Since they are deported, the statement if false. There is a process for deportation. It's not jack booted masked thugs armed to the teeth with little training ransacking neighborhoods stopping anyone and everyone brown to prove their citizenship on the spot. And in cases when the citizenship is proven, it's just called fake and off to deportation centers they go till judges have to make them release them. It's not social justice, it's called constitutional justice. Just ask all the judges who are tired of Trump officials literally lying in court or ignoring judges given their deportation actions. I don't know if you're American, but no American wants that.
Thankfully, those things you mentioned aren't happening. ICE makes arrests, then the judges make the decisions. The arrests wouldn't be made in the first place if there wasn't a warrant (issued by a JUDGE) because of what the illegal alien had done.
 
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I'm sorry, you really are blind to the reality here. You need only to look at the comments from others. They repeatedly say they want violent criminals removed. If you're in a city of any size I'm sure there will be people you can find opposed to ICE. Ask them. I guarantee every single one will agree that criminally violent undocumented persons should be deported. And look what the Democrats are asking for with regard to ICE. They want constitutionally compliant policing operations. They have never objected to capturing and deporting criminally violent undocumented persons. I don't understand you. Maybe you're trying to make your conscience feel better by pretending ICE never does anything cruel or evil.
The people that have come out against ICE were doing so long before things became violent around them. It's the "protesters" who have escalated things, and then they play the victim card when it backfires on them. ICE was simply doing their job in Minneapolis just as they were in other cities, but since Minneapolis is rather unique in manufacturing outrage against government agencies that are overseen by the party they don't agree with, they encouraged people to put their lives on the line doing stupid things such as attacking law enforcement officers. That's when ICE had to send in more of their own people; to protect themselves and to foot more of the tasks that would normally be done by cooperating local departments.
 
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Thankfully, those things you mentioned aren't happening. ICE makes arrests, then the judges make the decisions. The arrests wouldn't be made in the first place if there wasn't a warrant (issued by a JUDGE) because of what the illegal alien had done.
Yes. It is all happening.

And no, what is happening is Judges are NOT being included as part of warrants. What is happening is ICE is approving their own administration warrants which do not have the same power as a judge approved warrant. AKA, abusing the system and ignoring the judicial process.
 
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Yes. It is all happening.

And no, what is happening is Judges are NOT being included as part of warrants. What is happening is ICE is approving their own administration warrants which do not have the same power as a judge approved warrant. AKA, abusing the system and ignoring the judicial process.
Are you claiming that ICE agents just go door to door looking for people who aren't white, and then arrest or kill them?
 
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