2026 State of the Union discussion thread

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T15:09:06-0600

Maine Progressive said:
Well, as I said, both our minds are made up. You interpret what you saw as you choose to see it. I saw a bully trying to shame a party which opposed the brutality of ICE, which opposed cutting poor people off from food assistance, which opposed locking the poor out of health insurance. In short I saw a bully whose only interest was making sure everybody understood what a wonderful leader he is. I'm sure you're a good person. Do you go around telling everyone how good you are and how lucky they are to have you? I'm sure you disagree with some people. Would you like it if they shamed you and debased you in front of a crowd just because they don't agree with you? Wouldn't it be better if such a person worked with you to resolve the difference. Do you see Trump doing that? Never. And then blames Democrats for it.

The democrats didn't have to be "shamed". Trump was simply pointing out what they were doing. He didn't even have to as it was so obvious to anyone with eyes watching as the Republicans stood up and applauded when great achievements were announced, and half the room just sat there as if great accomplishments made them miserable. Or when the fate of a young girl was mentioned as to how she was murdered and when Trump expressed support for her and her parents, the democrats couldn't even show their own support.
That sends a message to everyone in America as to what that party's values are.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T15:10:41-0600

Aldebaran said:
A broken clock is correct twice a day.

The White House says Democrats refused to applaud him.

Or all sorts of other alleged things, like

Massive economic growth.
Total victory over terrorists abroad.
Reaffirming “the first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens.”

On that last point, I would point out that American government officials do not swear to do that, but rather to "support and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T15:19:39-0600

You heard the lady -- get him out of the White House pronto before it starts to smell of ethnic cooking.

Nithavela · 2026-02-25T15:21:06-0600

essentialsaltes said:
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You heard the lady -- get him out of the White House pronto before it starts to smell of ethnic cooking.

I heard one of his favorite foods is named after a german city.

Vambram · 2026-02-25T16:32:51-0600

mark46 said:
Your post is the MAGA oath

It is also fact.

Gene2memE · 2026-02-25T16:48:28-0600

Quote from the SoTU address:

“As time goes by, I believe the tariffs paid for by foreign countries will, like in the past, substantially replace the modern-day system of income tax, taking a great financial burden off the people that I love.”

I have questions:

When was the last time tariffs and custom duties the primary or most substantial source of federal tax receipts?
Who pays the tariffs when goods imported into a country?
If the point of the tariffs is to create autarky, then aren't receipts from tariffs/duties going to decline over time?
If foreign countries are paying for US tariffs, then presumably the US paying for foreign tariffs, right? Assuming tariffs are reciprocal, wouldn't that make tariff payments a near wash (even with trade imbalances)?
The US imported $3438.4 billion in goods in 2025. It collected $10,379.4 billion in just personal income taxes. Does this mean the Trump administration is proposing the imposition of a 301% tariff rate on all imported goods?
As a tax, are tariffs a regressive, neutral or progressive? That is, does the burden of tariffs for more on low-income households, more on high-income households, or is it evenly spread between income groups?

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T18:15:29-0600

essentialsaltes said:
The White House says Democrats refused to applaud him.

Or all sorts of other alleged things, like

Massive economic growth.

Total victory over terrorists abroad.

Reaffirming “the first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens.”

On that last point, I would point out that American government officials do not swear to do that, but rather to "support and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

The Constitution was written to protect American citizens, not foreign invaders who are here illegally and have committed serious crimes.

Hans Blaster · 2026-02-25T18:24:48-0600

Aldebaran said:
The Constitution was written to protect American citizens, not foreign invaders who are here illegally and have committed serious crimes.

The Constitution was written to establish a system of government with separation of powers between legislative and executive officers. Many of the individual rights provisions make no distinction between persons inside the US regarding their citizenship or immigration status.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T18:44:20-0600

Aldebaran said:
The Constitution was written to protect American citizens, not foreign invaders who are here illegally and have committed serious crimes.

Amendment V

No person shall [have this that or the other happen to them] without due process of law.

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T19:06:50-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Amendment V
No person shall [have this that or the other happen to them] without due process of law.

And what are the consequences of breaking the laws they have broken, namely murder, rape, and other things too graphic to list here?

Maine Progressive · 2026-02-25T19:10:32-0600

Aldebaran said:
The democrats didn't have to be "shamed". Trump was simply pointing out what they were doing. He didn't even have to as it was so obvious to anyone with eyes watching as the Republicans stood up and applauded when great achievements were announced, and half the room just sat there as if great accomplishments made them miserable. Or when the fate of a young girl was mentioned as to how she was murdered and when Trump expressed support for her and her parents, the democrats couldn't even show their own support.
That sends a message to everyone in America as to what that party's values are.

It sends a message that Trump is good at cherry-picking an unusual and emotional instance as mock 'proof' of Democrat indifference. It's a cheap trick.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T19:15:35-0600

Aldebaran said:
And what are the consequences of breaking the laws they have broken, namely murder, rape, and other things too graphic to list here?

That should come in court... where they receive due process and are innocent until proven guilty.

But some of them (and some citizens) are getting away with no trials or punishment, because ICE needs to get its quotas up.

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Maine Progressive · 2026-02-25T19:15:39-0600

Aldebaran said:
And what are the consequences of breaking the laws they have broken, namely murder, rape, and other things too graphic to list here?

Maine Progressive · 2026-02-25T19:19:35-0600

Now there's an easy question to answer. If the people they deported were specifically murderers, rapists and other violent evildoers, the Democrats would be applauding thunderously. However, when you grab a five year old in a bunny suit or kill a young Christian mother and curse her afterwards one wonders.

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T20:53:18-0600

Maine Progressive said:
It sends a message that Trump is good at cherry-picking an unusual and emotional instance as mock 'proof' of Democrat indifference. It's a cheap trick.

Are you claiming that the democrats were "tricked" into sitting stone-faced and unmoved when Trump highlighted a pair of grieving parents who lost their daughter to a murderer? That's quite a trick, and it was repeated in similar fashion throughout the more than hour and a half, and that's on top of Trump's previous SOTU speech when the dems did the same thing then.
You may see the murder of an innocent teenager as "unusual and emotional" of an instance, but it's happening far too often to simply sweep under the rug as an excuse to keep hating Trump.

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T20:59:10-0600

Maine Progressive said:
Now there's an easy question to answer. If the people they deported were specifically murderers, rapists and other violent evildoers, the Democrats would be applauding thunderously. However, when you grab a five year old in a bunny suit or kill a young Christian mother and curse her afterwards one wonders.

Sure they would.
More likely they would be looking to never have them deported, in the name of "social" justice. Their followers who are tricked into rioting for them (mostly in Minneapolis) and doing other emotional and unusual things.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T21:52:40-0600

Aldebaran said:
Sure they would.
More likely they would be looking to...

You're drifting away from the Constitution and what it requires the government to do, and the duty government officials are literally sworn to do. As opposed to what Trump thinks their duty should be. Or what 'Democrats' might hypothetically do.

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T21:56:12-0600

essentialsaltes said:
You're drifting away from the Constitution and what it requires the government to do, and the duty government officials are literally sworn to do. As opposed to what Trump thinks their duty should be. Or what 'Democrats' might hypothetically do.

The Constitution doesn't protect those who entered the country illegally any more than your house rules apply to a burglar who broke into your home. Same goes for how the 4th Amendment of the Constitution can't be used by a thief who just stole a basket full of merchandise from Walmart, and the First Amendment doesn't apply to yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-25T22:01:29-0600

Aldebaran said:
The Constitution doesn't protect those who entered the country illegally

They are persons. The Constitution does protect them.

Aldebaran · 2026-02-25T22:10:48-0600

essentialsaltes said:
They are persons. The Constitution does protect them.

From the first paragraph of the site: U.S. Senate: Constitution of the United States

"Written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, the United States Constitution is the world’s longest surviving written charter of government. Its first three words – “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens. The supremacy of the people through their elected representatives is recognized in Article I, which creates a Congress consisting of a Senate and a House of Representatives. The positioning of Congress at the beginning of the Constitution affirms its status as the “First Branch” of the federal government."

Ok, so We the People are the citizens, not the invaders, and the government is there to serve us through our elected leaders. Since illegal aliens aren't eligible to vote to elect our leaders, then We the People is clearly referring to actual US citizens.

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