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Is this who should be the target of deportation?

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Biden was right to retire, but even at the end of term he was more competent than Trump is currently. Trump’s recent social posts and reactionary orders are very concerning. He is irrational.
It's a difference between sleeping through a smoke alarm and lighting the fires himself.
 
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If God is in control now , then he was also in control during Biden and his election was intentional.

This belief never made sense to me though, because God gave humans free will or he didn’t. one can’t blame all of humanity’s failings on free will and also claim God is in control. Unless one also believes God intends for humans to fail.
One of my oldest Christian friends (an otherwise very conservative white guy) believes Trump is God's judgment upon the United States, like King Ahab in the Bible.
 
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So he punishes our bad decisions by inflicting us with leaders who make the bad decisions?
Happened to ancient Israel in the Bible more than once.

God gives us what we really, really want even to our detriment.

He does warn us, but if we really want to go down that path, He lets us.
 
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Happened to ancient Israel in the Bible more than once.

God gives us what we really, really want even to our detriment.

He does warn us, but if we really want to go down that path, He lets us.
That seems needlessly cruel.
 
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That seems needlessly cruel.
Well, if God does not allow us to do everything we want and see for ourselves the end result, then we will always believe that we could have ultimately fixed it without Him.

Our absolute, total, undeniable, and inarguable failure is necessary.
 
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Well, if God does not allow us to do everything we want and see for ourselves the end result, then we will always believe that we could have ultimately fixed it without Him.
But that means he’s causing the strife in the first place. If he didn’t do that we wouldn’t need his help to deal with what he caused.

Are you sure that’s what you meant to say?
 
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For every story like this we have 10 stories of criminals being deported. This isn't godliness. Its politics. People hate Trump or Biden and will use anything to bring them down. I say its hate which motivates people to oppose deportaand but its not love for immigrants
Actually the amount of people with criminal convictions who are taken into this deportation system is closer to 5%.
 
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But that means he’s causing the strife in the first place. If he didn’t do that we wouldn’t need his help to deal with what he caused.

Are you sure that’s what you meant to say?
How is He causing it if we have free will to do as we please?
 
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Actually the amount of people with criminal convictions who are taken into this deportation system is closer to 5%.
That's a little low. Less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's 1st year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows 60% had some kind of record, but mostly not violent crimes. Traffic violations and weed possession count. That also counts people accused and not convicted.

The number of non-criminals is actually going up. The chart here As ICE Arrests Increased, a Higher Portion Had No U.S. Criminal Record - FactCheck.org makes it look like they're reaching the limit of criminals and increasing getting others.
 
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