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Trump says his 'own morality' is the only limit to his global power
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And for some inexplicable reason the religious right is ok with all of that because he holds a Bible while doing it.
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He didn't place his hand on the Bible in 2025, that's correct.
[he admits to never asking for forgiveness or Reading the Bible- but that's Off topic...]
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It's up to you, but I don't think it's related to current events or the news.
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The kind of people who have access to sharp objects. Yeah, I get that.
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The religious right that much of Christianity is now, in this part of the world, is a cult, as far as I see it, that they support him and ignore what news is showing about him because he said to ignore it. If Trump's only limit is his own morality, we are in great and dangerous trouble leaving him in office, his sanity and health of mind is basis for his removal from office. It is nothing distinguishing him from any fascist totalitarian leader in power. This is not even with me saying anything about a candidate to support. I think there are great problems to see from any of those I have seen for such a high position. We would be better off being really responsible for ourselves.
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I think something like recent polls have indicated lower approval even among republicans through they still approve more
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From here: Majority believes Trump moving US in wrong direction, poll finds
'In February 2025, 75% of people who are Republican or lean in that direction said they thought he had the mental fitness needed to do the job. In January, the number had decreased to 66%.
The number of Republicans who think Trump acts ethically in office also decreased from 55% to 42% over the same period.'
These numbers wouldn't be great across the board. But they are asking Republicans.
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Trump would not have been elected president in 2016, nor in 2024, without the support of the Evangelicals.
Peter Wehner writes:
The Calvin University historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez, the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation, challenges the commonly held assumption that the religious right backed Trump for only pragmatic reasons. She argues that Trump represented the fulfillment, rather than the betrayal, of white evangelicals’ most deeply held values. Kobes Du Mez’s book offers an account of 75 years of evangelical history, showing how the evangelical subculture worked for decades to replace the Jesus of the Gospels with an idol of rugged masculinity and Christian nationalism.
The support for Trump was “the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity,” she argues, and they condoned his “callous display of power.”
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Peter Wehner writes:
The Calvin University historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez, the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation, challenges the commonly held assumption that the religious right backed Trump for only pragmatic reasons. She argues that Trump represented the fulfillment, rather than the betrayal, of white evangelicals’ most deeply held values. Kobes Du Mez’s book offers an account of 75 years of evangelical history, showing how the evangelical subculture worked for decades to replace the Jesus of the Gospels with an idol of rugged masculinity and Christian nationalism.
The support for Trump was “the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity,” she argues, and they condoned his “callous display of power.”
Where Did Evangelicals Go Wrong?
Jesus told us to love our enemies. And yet so many have embraced hostile politics in the name of Christianity.
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In about an hour I'm going to a weekly breakfast with a group of older white MAGA evangelical men. Over the last few months, Trump's antics, particularly his international relations antics, have increasingly become the butt of derision. Their opinions on the American culture war have not changed at all, nor are they inching at all towards the Left. But their image of Trump is becoming more and more derisive.
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That's not meant to be compliment...Trump would not have been elected president in 2016, nor in 2024, without the support of the Evangelicals.
Peter Wehner writes:
The Calvin University historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez, the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation, challenges the commonly held assumption that the religious right backed Trump for only pragmatic reasons. She argues that Trump represented the fulfillment, rather than the betrayal, of white evangelicals’ most deeply held values. Kobes Du Mez’s book offers an account of 75 years of evangelical history, showing how the evangelical subculture worked for decades to replace the Jesus of the Gospels with an idol of rugged masculinity and Christian nationalism.
The support for Trump was “the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity,” she argues, and they condoned his “callous display of power.”
Where Did Evangelicals Go Wrong?
Jesus told us to love our enemies. And yet so many have embraced hostile politics in the name of Christianity.
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