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Biden beats Trump in recent conservative poll

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Biden beating Trump in the polls will definitely help since in 2028 they're going to be running against each other for president, right?

Or is comparing two guys who aren't going to be running a bit of a fool's errand?
 

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It wasn't an opinion. There are plenty of records proving the corruption and those convicted of crimes.
Show your evidence.
 
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Not sure how a low functioning President like Biden could beat any President in a Poll.
Pandemic recovery, not a criminal, not a pedophile enabler. Economic recovery to the point that even many Trumpster politicians are trying to take credit for his work.

Stuff like that.
 
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Biden beating Trump in the polls will definitely help since in 2028 they're going to be running against each other for president, right?

Or is comparing two guys who aren't going to be running a bit of a fool's errand?
Just that Americans are aware that Biden was a better president than Trump is.
 
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Pandemic recovery, not a criminal, not a pedophile enabler. Economic recovery to the point that even many Trumpster politicians are trying to take credit for his work.

Stuff like that.
If Biden was as good as a President as you appear to believe that he was, then why did the Democratic Party force him to drop out the 2024 election? Why did Kamala Harris do so very poorly in the election by becoming the first Democratic Party Presidential nominee to lose the popular vote in decades?
 
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If Biden was as good as a President as you appear to believe that he was, then why did the Democratic Party force him to drop out the 2024 election?
Because his age was catching up with him, just as it is with Trump. And you can see the results. If Trump had only had one term, I doubt if Americans would have rated him as poorly as they do now.
Why did Kamala Harris do so very poorly in the election by becoming the first Democratic Party Presidential nominee to lose the popular vote in decades?
She was a very unlikeable candidate for many people. But that has nothing to do with why Americans consider Biden a better president than Donald Trump.
 
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Can you show their sources are incorrect?
Mostly, it wasn't Reagan's fault. By his second term, Reagan was almost as confused as Trump. A number of his people betrayed him as in Iran/Contra.
 
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Left-wing media and Democrats insisted that Biden is sharp as a tack up until the 2024 presidential debate, which no amount of gaslighing could fix.

Now those who insisted Biden was sharp as a tack, are insisting that Trump has serious cognitive issues. The gaslighting is palpable.
 
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Biden beating Trump in the polls will definitely help since in 2028 they're going to be running against each other for president, right?

Or is comparing two guys who aren't going to be running a bit of a fool's errand?
It's like some kind of attempted retroactive victory dance.
 
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If Biden was as good as a President as you appear to believe that he was, then why did the Democratic Party force him to drop out the 2024 election?
Because he was too old and the Democratic Party is run by a bunch of self destructive fools.
Why did Kamala Harris do so very poorly in the election by becoming the first Democratic Party Presidential nominee to lose the popular vote in decades?
She didn’t do poorly. She did better than Trump did in 2020.
 
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Because he was too old and the Democratic Party is run by a bunch of self destructive fools.

She didn’t do poorly. She did better than Trump did in 2020.
No she didn't. No one runs for vice president. They just happen to be on the same ticket as the person people are actually voting for.

The realistic indicator of her popularity was how she did in the primaries when she was actually running for president. Which was: She did very poorly. Practically no one wanted her as the next president.
 
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No she didn't. No one runs for vice president. They just happen to be on the same ticket as the person people are actually voting for.

The realistic indicator of her popularity was how she did in the primaries when she was actually running for president. Which was: She did very poorly. Practically no one wanted her as the next presiden.
I’m talking about her results in ‘24 compared to Trump in 2020. Trump lost by a wider margin in 2020 than Harris lost to him in 2024.
 
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Just that Americans are aware that Biden was a better president than Trump is.

Or that they have short term memories...

How many times have we heard that the whoever the president/candidate is, is "the worst ever", only for them to be supplanted a few years later and be seen as "one of the good ones"?

George W Bush went from being "so bad" that bands were releasing Anti-Bush rock albums, only for him to be sitting on the couch 12 years later for a friendly interview with Jimmy Kimmel.
 
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How many times have we heard that the whoever the president/candidate is, is "the worst ever", only for them to be supplanted a few years later and be seen as "one of the good ones"?
Yes. For example, most historians ( who have the perspective of history) rate him poorly, but not as the worst. He usually beats out Buchanan and Pierce.
George W Bush went from being "so bad" that bands were releasing Anti-Bush rock albums, only for him to be sitting on the couch 12 years later for a friendly interview with Jimmy Kimmel.
Bush had the advantage of being a genuinely friendly person who didn't mind laughing at himself. One wall in his presidential library is covered in a cartoon, showing him trying to convince a park service ranger to let him put his bust up on Mt. Rushmore. People forgive a lot if the president isn't insecure and arrogant.

One of my students told me her grandparents live across the street from G.W. Bush. There was a medical emergency, and Bush came across the street and stayed with them until the EMTs got there.

You think things like that will every be said of Donald Trump?
 
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Mostly, it wasn't Reagan's fault. By his second term, Reagan was almost as confused as Trump. A number of his people betrayed him as in Iran/Contra.
I remember the hearings. He kept saying the he didn't recall what happened. It was a defense that I told my guys to use, when I was a Union president. I think that he was more involved than he admitted to but no one knew that he was suffering from dementia.

Either way, he had the most scandal ridden and corrupt administration in US history but by the time Trump's is through, this will far exceed anything Reagan's did.

Reagan was a very likeable man. He cared about people and was the opposite of Trump as a leader.
 
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Or that they have short term memories...
It's less about memories than present-ism. When things are not going well for people, including just them personally, they tend to blame the leaders including the president. The 2023-24 economy was OK generally, but the impacts and benefits were not evenly distributed and people blamed the current president for it. Similarly people blamed Trump for just *being* the president during COVID. (A fair, dispassionate assessment of both might have put Biden's economic performance, policy wise as a B or B- and Trump's COVID response [relative to what he could have done and what others did] as perhaps a C-, but that's not how voters emote about it.)
 
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