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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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I can relate to much of that. I was sent to a couple of psychiatric institutes and at one time ended up in a padded cell and a young person's prison, though probably for different reasons than as you describe above concerning yourself

Not surprising then that you see yourself as 'under Grace'...

He saves to the uttermost...
 
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I was seriously lost - broken - demented - admitted to psych ward - taking drugs - given ECT
Can I ask, looking back, what do you think led to you being in that predicament?
 
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Can I ask, looking back, what do you think led to you being in that predicament?

Good question - I think it has a lot to do with identity - insecurity makes us more prone to peer pressure. Satan is in the game big time wanting to destroy. Lack of good teaching back the day. No real access to good counsel. There is a few first thoughts. This was the early seventies.
 
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Good question - I think it has a lot to do with identity - insecurity makes us more prone to peer pressure. Satan is in the game big time wanting to destroy. Lack of good teaching back the day. No real access to good counsel. There is a few first thoughts.
Thank you, I could relate to the emboldened.
 
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Thank you, I could relate to the emboldened.
Yes I even tracked down my bible class teacher ask asked him what he could do for me now...

When the Jesus revival hit there was a growing awareness of the spiritual bondages that folks suffered under and genuine deliverance ministries arose. For a season the church became quite empowered but this faded and we seem to be largely left with a new plastic version in many cases.
 
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Yes I even tracked down my bible class teacher ask asked him what he could do for me now...

When the Jesus revival hit there was a growing awareness of the spiritual bondages that folks suffered under and genuine deliverance ministries arose. For a season the church became quite empowered but this faded and we seem to be largely left with a new plastic version in many cases.
Thanks for that. As a young teenager, my stomach churned over if an impure thought came to me. I didn't want to spend eternity in hell. I basically believed, perform perfect or be in danger of the fires of hell. It can have a devastating effect
 
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Thanks for that. As a young teenager, my stomach churned over if an impure thought came to me. I didn't want to spend eternity in hell. I basically believed, perform perfect or be in danger of the fires of hell. It can have a devastating effect

Exactly - my struggle was different - as I read scripture I equated total surrender with becoming a ragged bare footed prophet on the street. I was afraid of this so I liberalised my faith and that led to compromise. What I hadn't realised was that total surrender gives God the permission to work order in your like and the end result is miles better not the chaos I envisaged and was afraid of.
 
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Exactly - my struggle was different - as I read scripture I equated total surrender with becoming a ragged bare footed prophet on the street. I was afraid of this so I liberalised my faith and that led to compromise. What I hadn't realised was that total surrender gives God the permission to work order in your like and the end result is miles better not the chaos I envisaged and was afraid of.
It would seem to me, we both had an extreme view as to what Christianity required
 
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Yep, mind you True Christianity is extreme in the fact that The Way is only accessible to those who, like the disciples left all and followed Him.
An evangelist, who saw tremendous medically verified healings in their services once said, and I quote:

''Anyone can see the power in their services I have seen in mine, but it costs everything''

I have never given up everything, though I wish I had, I don't think many do
 
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An evangelist, who saw tremendous medically verified healings in their services once said, and I quote:

''Anyone can see the power in their services I have seen in mine, but it costs everything''

I have never given up everything, though I wish I had, I don't think many do

Yes, we have to get out of the road and let Him do what He does best.

We also have to learn to see what the Father is doing as Jesus did.

Sadly the modern way is to "practice the gifts" on each-other which is the opposite to "earnestly seek" as Paul taught.
 
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