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'Does DHS ever not lie?' Firestorm ignites as FBI blows apart ICE shooting narrative

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The inconsistency was flagged by Cato Institute immigration expert David J. Bier, who told his followers on X that the affidavit shows an ICE agent shot a man while he was fleeing – not acting in self-defense – as DHS initially claimed.

“An FBI affidavit admits that an ICE agent shot a man while he was fleeing from 10 feet away, not--as DHS claimed--while the agent was being beaten with a shovel,” Bier wrote.

“This is part of a pattern where DHS's initial account of any controversy includes many inaccuracies,” he added in a follow-up post.

The revelation quickly sparked sharp criticism online.

“Does DHS ever not lie?” conservative analyst Bill Kristol wrote on social media Friday.

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'Lying problem?' Trump's border czar throws Kristi Noem under the bus on CNN

"What should happen to agents if they lie about what they have doneunder oath?" Sidnder asked.

"Well, first of all, they'll be investigated by internal affairs and held accountable for any, you know, anything they did outside of policy," Homan said. "But I talked to the U.S. attorney personally on this. They're being investigated and they may be charged with a crime if the evidence shows that they lied under oath and and made up thiswhole incident, they'll be held accountable."

A federal judge found in November that U.S. Border Patrol commander-at-large Greg Bovino had lied in a deposition about being hit in the head with a rock before deploying tear gas against protesters in the Chicago area, and Sidner asked whether he should be fired or charged for lying under oath.

"If a judge declared he lied under oath, he needs to be investigated, and that's up to CBP," Homan said. "What people need to understand CBP and ICE do not report to me. They report to Kristi Noem, and she'll hold these officers responsible."
 
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