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Texas allows time for prayer and religious study in school; AG Ken Paxton recommends students recite the Lord's Prayer (KJV)

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Attorney General Ken Paxton Encourages Texas Schools to Begin Legal Process of Putting Prayer Back in the Classroom and Recommends the Lord’s Prayer for Students

Attorney General Ken Paxton encourages all Texas schools to implement dedicated time for prayer and the reading of scripture, following the enactment of Senate Bill 11 on September 1, 2025.

For Texas students considering how to best utilize this time, Attorney General Paxton encourages children to begin with the Lord’s Prayer, as taught by Jesus Christ:

The Lord’s Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13, KJV)
Our Father which art in heaven...
 

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More test cases in the making.
I'm sure the ACLU was sitting back saying, "well, let's just wait and see how this will be implemented in the schools." And now Paxton's jumped in with both Christian Nationalist feet.
 
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I'm sure the ACLU was sitting back saying, "well, let's just wait and see how this will be implemented in the schools." And now Paxton's jumped in with both Christian Nationalist feet.
I’m sure it was a private personal thing like the coach and his entire team on the field kneeling was.
 
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Attorney General Ken Paxton Encourages Texas Schools to Begin Legal Process of Putting Prayer Back in the Classroom and Recommends the Lord’s Prayer for Students

Attorney General Ken Paxton encourages all Texas schools to implement dedicated time for prayer and the reading of scripture, following the enactment of Senate Bill 11 on September 1, 2025.

For Texas students considering how to best utilize this time, Attorney General Paxton encourages children to begin with the Lord’s Prayer, as taught by Jesus Christ:
Wasn’t this resolved as unconstitutional in the 1963 by the infamous Madalyn Murray O’Hair?
 
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Wasn’t this resolved as unconstitutional in the 1963 by the infamous Madalyn Murray O’Hair?
Banning a school-organized and written prayer was decided in 1962 in Engel v Vitale. O'Hair's case was folded into Abington v Schempp, which was about Bible readings and the Lord's Prayer and affirmed the earlier decision.

The current situation may be legal if the schools just have some free time for kids to not be taught anything, so they can read whatever they like (or pray whatever they like). If the schools, like Paxton, start pushing the Lord's Prayer, that would fall afoul of these earlier cases. One imagines.
 
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Banning a school-organized and written prayer was decided in 1962 in Engel v Vitale. O'Hair's case was folded into Abington v Schempp, which was about Bible readings and the Lord's Prayer and affirmed the earlier decision.

The current situation may be legal if the schools just have some free time for kids to not be taught anything, so they can read whatever they like (or pray whatever they like). If the schools, like Paxton, start pushing the Lord's Prayer, that would fall afoul of these earlier cases. One imagines.
Thanks for the info! Appreciate it! :)
 
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Daily prayer period approved by Houston-area school board after new Texas law enacted

A school district just outside Houston is now the second district in Texas to adopt a prayer period under a newly-enacted state law, according to a newspaper report.

The Houston Chronicle reported that over a dozen school districts in the greater Houston area have voted against adopting the policy.

Senate Bill 11 allows districts to decide if they want to adopt the policy for the prayer period.
I like this law.
Schools will adopt this, then (when it gets out-of-hand*), “prayer-period”, will become a “spiritual study hall”, then it’ll go back to “free-period”.

Another great idea to get the Government to push a certain view, which apparently became “conservative”, somewhere along the line. Human nature quashes many “good laws” though.

*These are (young, admittedly) Texans…they have “opinions”, they’ll have very strong opinions on religion, hence the “prayer-period” will have to be segregated and there’ll be controversies over which group the school seems to “favor”…it’ll become “less popular”.
 
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I think Texas's school prayer time may be an intentional move like Lousiana's posting of the 10 commandments in public schools to retest previous Supreme Court rulings. Yes, the new State laws do seemingly defy current Federal law, but some of us equate such Federal laws and rulings as bad decisions that not only oppose God but also betray our nation's Founding Fathers and Christian heritage. With a Supreme Court now comprising more conservatives than liberals, it's possible that additional reversals like Roe vs Wade and the Lemon test lie ahead that could restore God back into the public arena - as it traditionally was for 350 years.

I know the misguided belief in separation of church and state is popular today, and thus even liberal Christians will climb on the band wagon to oppose reintroducing any form of God, the Bible, or Christianity into the public schools, government, or cultural arena. Those who do so, like supporting evolution teaching over creationism, serve the Devil well in my view, helping to transform America from a Christian nation into a secular one. I understand why Atheists would favor a godless society, but I'm distressed that a majority of Christians blindly support the same cause.

Let me add a different perspective, making this whole prayer in schools issue comparable to the abortion issue. It goes back to the U.S. Constitution and America's Founding Father's intent to establish a nation of states united by a very limited Federal government. We have written documents, as well as historical evidence, that religious beliefs and moral values were in fact supported by the states with little federal intervention until the first significant 1948 Supreme Court ruling. Since then, the Federal government court system has steadily taken over all of the states' rights concerning religious and moral values. This, I claim is both unconstitutional and morally wrong. Instead of having thousands of school districts and 50 states being governed by representatives that reflect the local citizenry, we have a panel of 12 Supreme Court Justices assuming all authority - which too often goes far beyond merely interpreting the constitution.

Might I suggest that no matter how you feel about what should be taught or done in the public schools, a freedom loving American should prefer the states and local school districts dictating their religious and moral value policies rather than a group of 12 individuals in DC. Like abortion, such sensitive issues should be left up to the citizens and representatives of each individial state to decide (as other criminal laws are). And what about those cases where local districts or certain states want to do or allow deplorable things? That's why we have state and federal legislatures capable of passing necessary laws. Overall though, I find it hard to defend, constitutionally or morally, a Federal government restricting the rights of state and local governments to support the Christian religion, be it in schools or in society overall.
 
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I think Texas's school prayer time may be an intentional move like Lousiana's posting of the 10 commandments in public schools to retest previous Supreme Court rulings. Yes, the new State laws do seemingly defy current Federal law, but some of us equate such Federal laws and rulings as bad decisions that not only oppose God but also betray our nation's Founding Fathers and Christian heritage.
US law has nothing to do with god. God is only mentioned in the US Constitution once, and that's to denote the date. Period. And specifically, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion for everyone, which directly goes against christian teaching.

With a Supreme Court now comprising more conservatives than liberals, it's possible that additional reversals like Roe vs Wade and the Lemon test lie ahead that could restore God back into the public arena - as it traditionally was for 350 years.
I suppose it's not impossible that the conservative majority will ignore the US Constitution and throw out the First Amendment and literally tons of legal precedent and turn the US into a christian theocracy, but I find it highly unlikely. Even for Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh.

I know the misguided belief in separation of church and state is popular today,
It was popular 324 years ago, too. Especially with Thomas Jefferson, who first used that phrase, saying it was the basis for the First Amendment's protection of freedom of religion.

and thus even liberal Christians will climb on the band wagon to oppose reintroducing any form of God, the Bible, or Christianity into the public schools, government, or cultural arena.
It was never constitutional to do so before, per the First Amendment. This has been decided law for a while now, since Engel v Vitale in 1962.

Those who do so, like supporting evolution teaching over creationism, serve the Devil well in my view, helping to transform America from a Christian nation into a secular one. I understand why Atheists would favor a godless society, but I'm distressed that a majority of Christians blindly support the same cause.
The US is not now, nor has ever been a Christian nation. But don't take my word for it, President John Adams said as much himself: "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."

Let me add a different perspective, making this whole prayer in schools issue comparable to the abortion issue. It goes back to the U.S. Constitution and America's Founding Father's intent to establish a nation of states united by a very limited Federal government. We have written documents, as well as historical evidence, that religious beliefs and moral values were in fact supported by the states with little federal intervention until the first significant 1948 Supreme Court ruling. Since then, the Federal government court system has steadily taken over all of the states' rights concerning religious and moral values. This, I claim is both unconstitutional and morally wrong. Instead of having thousands of school districts and 50 states being governed by representatives that reflect the local citizenry, we have a panel of 12 Supreme Court Justices
There are only 9 Supreme Court justices.

assuming all authority - which too often goes far beyond merely interpreting the constitution.

Might I suggest that no matter how you feel about what should be taught or done in the public schools, a freedom loving American should prefer the states and local school districts dictating their religious and moral value policies rather than a group of 12 individuals in DC.
Again, there are only 9 Supreme Court justices.

Like abortion, such sensitive issues should be left up to the citizens and representatives of each individial state to decide (as other criminal laws are). And what about those cases where local districts or certain states want to do or allow deplorable things? That's why we have state and federal legislatures capable of passing necessary laws. Overall though, I find it hard to defend, constitutionally or morally, a Federal government restricting the rights of state and local governments to support the Christian religion, be it in schools or in society overall.
Personally, I feel many decisions, like those concerning religion or those concerning medical decisions, should be left to the individuals involved, and should not be decided by politicians for us. But I may be in the minority in that.

-- A2SG, sure seems like many religious people want the government to make medical decisions for people (usually other people), can't for the life of me figure out why.....
 
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Attorney General Ken Paxton Encourages Texas Schools to Begin Legal Process of Putting Prayer Back in the Classroom and Recommends the Lord’s Prayer for Students

Attorney General Ken Paxton encourages all Texas schools to implement dedicated time for prayer and the reading of scripture, following the enactment of Senate Bill 11 on September 1, 2025.

For Texas students considering how to best utilize this time, Attorney General Paxton encourages children to begin with the Lord’s Prayer, as taught by Jesus Christ:
I'm fine with schools allowing students to pray, including Muslims and different religions. As long as nonbelievers aren't forced into praying.
 
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I know the misguided belief in separation of church and state is popular today, and thus even liberal Christians will climb on the band wagon to oppose reintroducing any form of God, the Bible, or Christianity into the public schools, government, or cultural arena. Those who do so, like supporting evolution teaching over creationism, serve the Devil well in my view, helping to transform America from a Christian nation into a secular one. I understand why Atheists would favor a godless society, but I'm distressed that a majority of Christians blindly support the same cause.

A long time ago, there arose a controversy about introducing religion into the public sphere (probably schools). I don't remember if it was local (town or school) or a state thing or something I saw in the national news (Cronkite or Newsweek). It seemed like a bad thing to me then and it still does. It was my first "political conviction" (separation of religion and government) and I have held it ever since that year of my First Communion. Quit putting religion into places where it does not belong and trying to sway small children with your faith. It isn't your business to convert them.
 
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I'm fine with schools allowing students to pray, including Muslims and different religions. As long as nonbelievers aren't forced into praying.
Compelling participation is the point.
 
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Someone should mandate the Shahada. Im imaging the speed of the 180 degree turn would be a measurable percentage of c.
Imagine those reactions!

We have separation of Church and state for a reason. It should be that way.
 
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I'm fine with schools allowing students to pray, including Muslims and different religions. As long as nonbelievers aren't forced into praying.
I mean, they could silently pray without drawing attention to themselves? I think that’s fair, in my humble opinion.

People who decline have every right to decline. Forcing someone to pray beats the purpose of prayer and is unconstitutional as far as I’m aware.
 
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I'm fine with schools allowing students to pray, including Muslims and different religions. As long as nonbelievers aren't forced into praying.
Or force a religious narrative of personal beliefs . Sadly whenever we start legislating religion while it may seem good on paper, it usually turns to persecution.
 
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Or force a religious narrative of personal beliefs . Sadly whenever we start legislating religion while it may seem good on paper, it usually turns to persecution.
I don’t know if I would use the term “persecution,” but things do get murky when religion gets mixed up with politics. It’s not pretty.
 
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I don’t know if I would use the term “persecution,” but things do get murky when religion gets mixed up with politics. It’s not pretty.
Look what happened with Covid when they put laws into mask wearing. I think it will get worse when it comes to people’s interpretations of mandated religious laws.
 
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