Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested

Nithavela · 2026-02-19T23:01:03-0600

mindlight said:
In such a broken culture with so much history of sexual abuse I have to wonder if continual witch hunts are the way to bring healing or just deepen old wounds. Andrew's deceit about his past sexual extravagance lacks nobility and an example needs to be made of him but these Epstein files seem to be a toxic influence on Western culture as a whole, eroding trust and encouraging revenge rather than healing, judgment not mercy.

I think that the primary deciders of what brings "healing" should be the victims and not conservative people who are now seeing their guys get into trouble for their misdeeds. All this mealy mouthed calls for moving on ring exceedingly hollow when the same people two threads over tout a "win" because people on the left got implicated.

Pommer · 2026-02-20T00:16:08-0600

mindlight said:
In such a broken culture with so much history of sexual abuse I have to wonder if continual witch hunts are the way to bring healing or just deepen old wounds.

The Documents that prove the SA, shouldn’t be used to get justice for what the documents reveal?
Why would that be “good”?

mindlight said:
Andrew's deceit about his past sexual extravagance lacks nobility and an example needs to be made of him but these Epstein files seem to be a toxic influence on Western culture as a whole, eroding trust and encouraging revenge rather than healing, judgment not mercy.

We shouldn’t reflect on what our Western culture encourages us to do?
How do we “grow”?

Pommer · 2026-02-20T00:19:03-0600

Nithavela said:
I think that the primary deciders of what brings "healing" should be the victims and not conservative people who are now seeing their guys get into trouble for their misdeeds. All this mealy mouthed calls for moving on ring exceedingly hollow when the same people two threads over tout a "win" because people on the left got implicated.

We are nearing ”it’s not a cover-up unless someone said ‘it’s a cover-up’” argument. Won’t that be a fun rabbit hole?

mindlight · 2026-02-20T02:20:21-0600

Nithavela said:
I think that the primary deciders of what brings "healing" should be the victims and not conservative people who are now seeing their guys get into trouble for their misdeeds. All this mealy mouthed calls for moving on ring exceedingly hollow when the same people two threads over tout a "win" because people on the left got implicated.

It does not aid societal cohesion to have so many figures of repute continually discredited in this way in such a public manner. There should be penalties where there is proven wrongdoing but the whole process could be more discreet. Not all who claim to be victims are so and many are gold diggers in fact. Offenders can be removed from prominence and placed in jail without breaking public trust in legitimate authorities and tainting the good guys with the toxicity of the liars, hypocrites and perverts.

mindlight · 2026-02-20T02:34:53-0600

Pommer said:
The Documents that prove the SA, shouldn’t be used to get justice for what the documents reveal?
Why would that be “good”?

We shouldn’t reflect on what our Western culture encourages us to do?
How do we “grow”?

These people had the opportunity and wealth to do things many others in that same generation would have also done had they had the same. Of course people should be held to account for proven crimes but this process could be more discreet and less hypocritical.

The main problem with Western culture has to do with straying from biblical understandings of sex, gender and morality. Redefining morality in terms of a fools notion of consent rather in terms of obedience to God is the key issue here. When one set of immoral people denounce another the whole toxic mess is merely magnified.

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T03:03:17-0600

Pommer said:
Why would that be “good”?

Because it’s a beastly business. Best just let sleeping dogs lie and not make a fuss over nothing.

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T03:06:19-0600

mindlight said:
It does not aid societal cohesion to have so many figures of repute continually discredited in this way in such a public manner.

Let’s let villains get away with it? As long as they are reputable? Don’t you see how servile that is?

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T03:07:09-0600

mindlight said:
The main problem with Western culture has to do with straying from biblical understandings of sex, gender and morality.

Not the girls being raped?

RamiC · 2026-02-20T03:11:07-0600

mindlight said:
These people had the opportunity and wealth to do things many others in that same generation would have also done had they had the same. Of course people should be held to account for proven crimes but this process could be more discreet and less hypocritical.

The police in the UK usually arrest people on suspicion, Andrew was arrested on suspicion. They hold people while they figure out if they can charge them. That is what happened so far.

As for more discreet, I cannot imagine how the man who was, just months ago, the Duke of York, is supposed to be arrested without anyone finding out.

RamiC · 2026-02-20T03:21:08-0600

Larniavc said:
Not the girls being raped?

Or the blackmail power this guy was weilding?

Desk trauma · 2026-02-20T06:40:48-0600

mindlight said:
These people had the opportunity and wealth to do things many others in that same generation would have also done had they had the same. Of course people should be held to account for proven crimes but this process could be more discreet and less hypocritical.

Clearly we need a separate justice system for those of certain social status or wealth that remains totally out of the public eye. We must not shake the faith of the public in their betters just because they have such trifling personal failings as raping children or selling out their country.

mindlight said:
The main problem with Western culture has to do with straying from biblical understandings of sex, gender and morality. Redefining morality in terms of a fools notion of consent rather in terms of obedience to God is the key issue here. When one set of immoral people denounce another the whole toxic mess is merely magnified.

I know! Bring back selling daughters! Enough with this nonsense about womens consent being of any import! New fangled ideas I tell ya.

rjs330 · 2026-02-20T07:36:15-0600

Larniavc said:
Fantastic news. He deserves every he gets (more probably). I hope every nation with Epstein child rapists hangs them out to dry no matter how powerful they are or which country they run.

I agree. However, so far, there is no evidence that Andrew or anyone else was involved in that. Misconduct in office could mean any number of things. Being a child rapist wasn't specifically mentioned that ive seen.

rjs330 · 2026-02-20T07:46:35-0600

Nithavela said:
I think that the primary deciders of what brings "healing" should be the victims and not conservative people who are now seeing their guys get into trouble for their misdeeds. All this mealy mouthed calls for moving on ring exceedingly hollow when the same people two threads over tout a "win" because people on the left got implicated.

What guys are you talking about that are the conservatives guys, that are getting into trouble? Are there no liberals guys that are getting into trouble?
And what trouble are they getting into? Who's really going to prison for anything?

ThatRobGuy · 2026-02-20T08:33:07-0600

Nithavela said:
I think that the primary deciders of what brings "healing" should be the victims and not conservative people who are now seeing their guys get into trouble for their misdeeds. All this mealy mouthed calls for moving on ring exceedingly hollow when the same people two threads over tout a "win" because people on the left got implicated.

Isn't that kind of what everyone was doing? Since the Epstein files revealed names spanning the spectrum from various countries, it would seem as if a lot of partisan media outlets (globally) pounced on whichever opponent names showed up and shined a spotlight on it.

But to your other point, while I definitely want to see these guys behind bars, saying that the victims should be the primary deciders is antithetical to the liberal democratic ideas of justice.

There's a reason why the victims (and family members of victims) don't get to be on the jury, and don't get to decide the sentence for the people who wronged them, and we leave it up to either judges or juries who didn't know either the victim or defendant.

RamiC · 2026-02-20T08:45:30-0600

rjs330 said:
What guys are you talking about that are the conservatives guys, that are getting into trouble? Are there no liberals guys that are getting into trouble?

I am a liberal - there are liberal guys getting into trouble.

Also since the UK royal family are officially politically neutral, the whole left/right thing is not really applicable to the "some guy called Andrew" part of this thread.

rambot · 2026-02-20T09:25:09-0600

rjs330 said:
I agree. However, so far, there is no evidence that Andrew or anyone else was involved in that. Misconduct in office could mean any number of things. Being a child rapist wasn't specifically mentioned that ive seen.

Victim testimony doesn't count as evidence?

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T11:11:22-0600

RamiC said:
Or the blackmail power this guy was weilding?

My sister lived in Brighton. Have you lived there long?

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T11:13:11-0600

rjs330 said:
However, so far, there is no evidence that Andrew or anyone else was involved in that.

Apart from all that time he spent with a child rapist on Child Rape Island.

Larniavc · 2026-02-20T11:14:07-0600

rambot said:
Victim testimony doesn't count as evidence?

From hormonal silly girls? Don't be silly.

rjs330 · 2026-02-20T11:34:52-0600

Larniavc said:
Apart from all that time he spent with a child rapist on Child Rape Island.

That is not evidence rhat he was actually INVOLVED in child rape. Yes, it is very bad he hung around with one. But that doesn't not make him guilty of being one or participating in it. All you have is the fact he hung around with a terrible guy. Terrible in many ways. But you can't be guilty of a crime simply by association. Well, in our country anyway. Maybe yours is different. Maybe in your country you can be guilty of crimes if you hang around with a criminal.

Yes, hanging around with a scumbag, kind makes you a scumbag imo. But it doesn't make you actually guilty of whatever crimes the scumbag may have been involved in unless it can be proven you were involved as well.

And I have NOT followed this case closely. So maybe there is actual evidence he was involved in pedophilia. Do you have that available?

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