Why do we do things not written in the Bible?

Bro.T · Thursday at 5:36 PM

The Liturgist said:
Red herring fallacy, strawman fallacy and non-sequitur. I am not a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian, I am an Orthodox Christian; the practices you discuss do not constitute, according to leading Orthodox figures, what the spiritual gifts look like, and indeed the Orthodox Church finds the kind of thing you are discussing (I believe you’re referring to the “Toronto Blessing” but it could be any number of Charismatic practices) to be … very troubling (see Orthodoxy and The Religion of the Future by Fr. Seraphim Rose, which also addressed the issues posed by popular interest in Buddhism, Hinduism and non-Christian religions or “spiritualities” as people liked to call them from the Orient, religious syncretism, and warned of the dangers of UFO cults, among other things, and was written two decades before the tragedy involving the Heaven’s Gate cult; for that matter also Orthodox and Heterodoxy, Second Edition, by Archpriest Michael S. Damick explores in detail in a tone much less polemical than the controversial first edition the difference between Orthodoxy and most other religious perspectives both within Christianity and outside of Christianity).

Thus your post has the interesting attribute in that it does not respond to any point I actually made in the post; rather it constitutes an anti-Charismatic/Pentecostal tract, and the fact you fired it off at me is … concerning, because it suggests you looked at my post, saw the word “Pentecost” and my remarks about the deity of God the Holy Spirit and then went, hmm, this man is a Pentecostal, and so dispatched an anti-Charismatic tract in my direction, which is … ridiculous, since I’ve never advocated for that particular form of Christianity, which you would know had you been paying attention to my posts.

In particular, nothing I said in my last reply to you has anything whatsoever to do with Charismatic practices, instead being focused precisely on the issue of the time of day when the Spirit descended on the disciples on Pentecost according to Acts chapter 2.

Also, did you write that tract yourself? If not, please provide a URL to the source where you found that material.

Pentecost is basic knowledge to those who understand, remember the Church started in the Wilderness in Acts 7: 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

In Leviticus 23 and the High and Holy Day, this is Pentecost. Leviticus 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

When you come into the land and reap the harvest you shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits to the priest and he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted. Before anyone could partake of it the Lord had to accept it first.

Leviticus 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

This should sound familiar. Notice what was to be offered? A he lamb without blemish or a perfect lamb and it also had to be the first born.

Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

You are not to partake of anything until the Lord accepts the offering. This shall be a statute forever throughout your generations.

Leviticus 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

After the priest waves the sheaf, which will fall on the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), you must count 7 Sabbaths, this equals 49 days. Once you arrive at the 7th Sabbath add the next day after and you will have the day of Pentecost, which always falls on Sunday. Pentecost simply means fifty.

Leviticus 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the first fruits unto the LORD.

Notice what the verse states, "two wave loaves they shall be baken with leaven". Seven weeks later we must have leaven? Remember the Feast of Unleavened Bread, we are not allowed to have leaven. This represents the first fruit from among men, or in other words the first resurrection. The reason leaven is evolve, there is no man born of women that has no sin. If we haven't committed a physical sin, we have committed some type of sin in our minds. No one is clean except Jesus that is why He is called the Holy One of Israel.

How long should we observe this day?

Leviticus 23:21 “And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.”

It shall be observed forever, no servile work shall be done on this day and you must have a holy gathering. These High and Holy Days are not a request, they are commandments.

Hentenza · Thursday at 5:57 PM

Bro.T said:
Pentecost is basic knowledge to those who understand, remember the Church started in the Wilderness in Acts 7: 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

When I thought I’ve heard it all this shows up. No, the church started at Pentecost depicted in Acts 2 right after they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Bro.T said:
In Leviticus 23 and the High and Holy Day, this is Pentecost. Leviticus 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

When you come into the land and reap the harvest you shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits to the priest and he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted. Before anyone could partake of it the Lord had to accept it first.

Leviticus 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

This should sound familiar. Notice what was to be offered? A he lamb without blemish or a perfect lamb and it also had to be the first born.

Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

You are not to partake of anything until the Lord accepts the offering. This shall be a statute forever throughout your generations.

Leviticus 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

After the priest waves the sheaf, which will fall on the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), you must count 7 Sabbaths, this equals 49 days. Once you arrive at the 7th Sabbath add the next day after and you will have the day of Pentecost, which always falls on Sunday. Pentecost simply means fifty.

Leviticus 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the first fruits unto the LORD.

Notice what the verse states, "two wave loaves they shall be baken with leaven". Seven weeks later we must have leaven? Remember the Feast of Unleavened Bread, we are not allowed to have leaven. This represents the first fruit from among men, or in other words the first resurrection. The reason leaven is evolve, there is no man born of women that has no sin. If we haven't committed a physical sin, we have committed some type of sin in our minds. No one is clean except Jesus that is why He is called the Holy One of Israel.

How long should we observe this day?

Leviticus 23:21 “And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.”

It shall be observed forever, no servile work shall be done on this day and you must have a holy gathering. These High and Holy Days are not a request, they are commandments.

Have you stop yo think what is the audience in Leviticus 23? Here let’s look in scripture.

“The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying, “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭23‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Leviticus 23:2 (NASB2020) - “Speak to the sons of Israel and sa | YouVersion

“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘The LORD’S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these

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God explicitly told Moses to deliver that message of Leviticus 23 to the sons of Israel and is not a message for the Christian church. The Christian is not under the law.

ARBITER01 · Thursday at 6:32 PM

Bro.T said:
In the scriptures it's written in Proverbs 11: 14 Wise men lay up knowledge:
But the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.

You lack The Holy Spirit, hence why your knowledge on subjects is ignorant. In other words, laying up junk knowledge does not make you wise.

ARBITER01 · Thursday at 6:53 PM

Bro.T said:
Pentecost is basic knowledge to those who understand, remember the Church started in the Wilderness in Acts 7: 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

You probably need to go over to the controversial section and hang out there, because nothing you're saying here is remotely orthodox.

Act 2:41 Those, therefore, who gladly received his word, were immersed; and there were added to them on that day about three thousand souls;

Act 2:47 praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to them daily those who were being saved.

Dan Perez · Thursday at 7:44 PM

ARBITER01 said:
You probably need to go over to the controversial section and hang out there, because nothing you're saying here is remotely orthodox.

Act 2:41 Those, therefore, who gladly received his word, were immersed; and there were added to them on that day about three thousand souls;

Act 2:47 praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to them daily those who were being saved.

And I try not to be controversial and when checking the GREEK Text in. Acts not reads that they were BAPTIZED

BAPTIZED and not m IMMERMED. , WHY. ??

dan p

The Liturgist · Thursday at 8:05 PM

Hentenza said:
When I thought I’ve heard it all this shows up. No, the church started at Pentecost depicted in Acts 2 right after they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Indeed. This belief, with minor variations relating primarily to the economy of salvation and the continuity of the true religion from the time of Adam and Eve, is universal. The idea that the Church began with Moses is very unusual; I’ve never seen that idea before.

From an Eastern Orthodox perspective, you might find the following very reassuringly Orthodox:

The Church of Christ received its existence with the coming to earth of the Son of God, when the fullness of the time was come (Gal. 4:4), and with His bringing of salvation to the world.

The beginning of its existence in its complete form and significance, with the fullness of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, was the day of Pentecost, after the Ascension of the Lord. On this day, after the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles, in Jerusalem there were baptized about three thousand men. And, further, the Lord each day added those being saved to the Church. From this moment, the territory of the city of Jerusalem, then of Palestine, then of the whole Roman Empire, and even the lands beyond its boundaries, began to be covered with Christian communities or churches. The name “church” which belongs to every Christian community, even of a single house or family, indicates the unity of this part with the whole, with the body of the whole Church of Christ.

Being “the body of Christ,” the Church increaseth with the increase of God (Col. 2:19). Comparing the Church with a building, the Apostle teaches that its building is not completed, but continues: All the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord (Eph. 2:21). This growth is not only in the sense of the visible, quantitative increase of the Church on earth; in even greater degree, this is a spiritual growth, the perfection of the saints, the filling up of the heavenly-earthly world through sanctity. Through the Church is accomplished the dispensation of the fullness of times foreordained by the Father, so that He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth (Eph. 1:10). In the sense of its earthly growth, the Church develops in the spheres of Divine services and the canons; it is made richer by Patristic literature; it grows in the outward forms which are necessary for its earthly conditions of existence.

The Church is our spiritual Home. As with one’s own home — and even more than that — a Christian’s thoughts and actions are closely bound up with the Church. In it he must, as long as he lives on earth, work out his salvation, and make use of the Grace-given means of sanctification given him by it. It prepares its children for the heavenly homeland. As to how, by the Grace of God, spiritual rebirth and spiritual growth occur in a man, in what sequence these usually occur, what hindrances must be overcome by him on the way of salvation, how he must combine his own indispensable labors with the Grace-given help of God — special branches of theological and spiritual learning are devoted to all these matters. These are called moral theology and ascetic theology.

Dogmatic Theology proper limits the subject of the Church to an examination of the Grace-given conditions and the mystical, Grace-given means furnished in the Church for the attainment of the aim of salvation in Christ.

Excerpt From
Orthodox Dogmatic Theology
Protopresbyter Michael Pomazansky as translated by Fr. Seraphim Rose

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