my eclectic view of futurism

Douggg said:

The text of Luke 21 is not missing any details of where Jesus was speaking in Luke 21. Luke 21 is a parallel discourse to the mount of Olives discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13 given later after Jesus and the disciples left the temple.

Luke 21:
1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

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It's not a parallel discourse, it is one of three accounts of the Olivet Discourse along with Matthew 24-25 and Mark 13.

Do you think that Mark 12:37-44 describes the same event as Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4? Yes or no?

Spiritual Jew said:

Do you think that Mark 12:37-44 describes the same event as Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4? Yes or no?

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Of course Mark 12:37-44 and Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4 are about Jesus commenting on the poor widow's contribution being great.

Mark 12:35 proves that Mark 12:37-44 was Jesus speaking in the temple. Do you acknowledge that Jesus was speaking in the temple in Mark 12:37-44 ?

As also, Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4, Jesus was speaking in the temple. As does the rest of Luke 21:5-36.

Mark:13:1-3, Jesus and the disciples left the temple and arrived on the mount of Olives.
Mark 13:4-37 Jesus spoke the mount of Olives discourse.

Matthew 24::1-3, Jesus and the disciples left the temple and arrived upon the mount of Olives.
Matthew 24:4-Matthew 25:35, Jesus spoke the mount of Olive discourse.

Luke 21:1-36, Jesus spoke in the temple, parallel to what he would speak about later on the mount of Olives, but in more detail on the mount of Olives.

Douggg said:

Of course Mark 12:37-44 and Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4 are about Jesus commenting on the poor widow's contribution being great.

Mark 12:35 proves that Mark 12:37-44 was Jesus speaking in the temple. Do you acknowledge that Jesus was speaking in the temple in Mark 12:37-44 ?

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Yes. of course I do. So, what does Mark 13:1-2, which directly follows Mark 12:37-44, indicate that happened next after Mark 12:37-44 and the parallel passage of Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4?

Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” 2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

According to Mark 13:1, Jesus went out of the temple after what was recorded in Mark 12:37-44 and Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4 occurred. This is what I've been trying to show you, but up to this point you didn't answer my question about whether or not you think that Mark 12:37-44 and Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4 are accounts of the same event. Since Mark 13:1-2 makes it clear that Jesus went out of the temple after that, then you should understand that's where Jesus was in Luke 21:5-6. Just outside the temple.

Compare Mark 13:1-2 above to this passage...

Luke 21:5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

Since you acknowledge that the passage of Mark 12:37-44, which comes just before Mark 13:1-2, is the same event as Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4, which obviously come just before Luke 21:5-6, then you should also acknowledge that Mark 13:1-2 and Luke 21:5-6 record the same event. Which shows that Jesus and the disciples He was talking to were outside the temple in Luke 21:5-6. And then the next verse in Mark 13 shows where they were after that, which was on the Mount of Olives.

Mark 13:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”

Which means Mark 13:3-4 is parallel to this verse...

Luke 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

Just because Luke didn't indicate where they were when the disciples asked Jesus these questions doesn't mean they were still in the vicinity of the temple. Mark 13:3 makes it clear that they were on the Mount of Olives at this point. And this means that Luke 21:8-36 is parallel to Mark 13:5-37, also. Which means that Mark 13:3-37 and Luke 21:7-36 are both accounts of the Olivet Discourse along with Matthew 24:3-25:46.

Douggg said:

As also, Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4, Jesus was speaking in the temple. As does the rest of Luke 21:5-36.

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Wrong. Mark 12:37-13:37 proves that in Luke 21:5-6 Jesus was speaking outside the temple and in Luke 21:7-36 He was speaking on the Mount of Olives, as I've shown. Case closed. It's your choice to accept the truth I've shown you or not at this point. That's up to you.

Douggg said:

Mark:13:1-3, Jesus and the disciples left the temple and arrived on the mount of Olives.
Mark 13:4-37 Jesus spoke the mount of Olives discourse.

Matthew 24::1-3, Jesus and the disciples left the temple and arrived upon the mount of Olives.
Matthew 24:4-Matthew 25:35, Jesus spoke the mount of Olive discourse.

Luke 21:1-36, Jesus spoke in the temple, parallel to what he would speak about later on the mount of Olives, but in more detail on the mount of Olives.

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You agreed that Mark 12:37-44 is an account of the same thing recorded in Luke 20:45-Luke 21:4. With that being the case, it makes no sense to deny that Mark 13:1-37 is an account of the same thing as Luke 21:5-36. And, it's obvious that Mark 13:1-37 is an account of the same thing as Matthew 24:1-51 as well. So, Luke 21:7-36 is one of the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse along with Mark 13:3-37 and Matthew 24:3-25:46.

Spiritual Jew said:

Since Mark 13:1-2 makes it clear that Jesus went out of the temple after that, then you should understand that's where Jesus was in Luke 21:5-6. Just outside the temple.

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No way was Jesus outside the temple in any of Luke 21.

In Luke 21, Jesus spoke in the temple about topics He would later expand upon after going to overnight on the mount of Olives.

There on the mount of Olives, Jesus expanded on the topics that he had spoken about earlier in the day while in the temple.