Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T13:00:53-0600

BNR32FAN said:
No, not at all, that’s your stupid idea not mine. Don’t blame me for your own imagination. No id say that God might’ve CEASED from all His work on the 7th day because He was finished creating. As a sabbatarian I would think that you should know what the word Shabbat actually means. It’s not as if it’s a secret or we have to guess why He ceased to work when the passage specifically states that He had COMPLETED His work, it’s literally the very first statement in Genesis 2. So just maybe that’s why He CEASED His work on the 7th day because for me when I typically finish making something I don’t continue making it. I don’t bake a pie then when it’s finished continue baking the pie. If I had to continue baking the pie that would suggest that it wasn’t finished baking yet. You really think God took a break, that He decided that He’s take a rest? Does He get tired sometimes? Does He need a break sometimes?

No maybe He just set it apart it because He was finished creating. It makes the end of a significant accomplishment.

No that’s you’re dumb idea not mine.

He didn’t say mankind He said for man and He didn’t say when or exactly who. Are Israelites men?

No it seems like quite a blessing for a group of people who have been enslaved for the past 400 years don’t ya think? And you quoted Mark 2:27, would you care to explain what was actually taking place in that passage? Was the sabbath being used as a blessing for man or was it now being used as a burden on man? While you think about that I’ll leave you with this passage to help you think about how it all lines up.

“having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬-‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬

One more question, of all the feasts, new moons, and sabbaths, which of them were intended to be against us?

Are you suggesting that there’s only a specific time or place that man can do that?

Yeah the promise of the rest was always available but that had nothing to do with a specific day of the week. Do you tell people they can only come to Christ and enter into that rest on Saturday? I’m sure you don’t.

Yeah when God was finished He ceased from all His works and so will we when we’re finished in this world. We’re certainly not resting in this world as God did.

No that’s just you pulling stupid ideas out of thin air again.

Yeah it had nothing to do with man being created in His image it had everything to do with His people who had been taken out of 400 years of slavery. God made several covenants and the only one that included rest from works was the Covenant with the slaves from Egypt. Noah’s covenant didn’t include anything about rest, Abraham’s covenant had nothing to do with rest.

No because not only can you not show me anything at all about anyone resting before the exodus you still can’t answer for Nehemiah 9 and Ezekiel 20 since the Israelites predated their inhabitance in Egypt going all the way back to Jacob.

Yeah I’ve never disputed that fact.

You really didn't address anything, what did man do when God rested on the Sabbath day? Did God not spend time resting with man on the Sabbath day after He just created man in His image in your view? No one said anything about continuing making what was already made, you are not addressing the post but arguments no one made.

You again just went from what God said to out of context Paul as if he countermanded everything God said by this magic one verse. Our get out of jail card from spending sacred time with God, the bondage of God for Him wanting to bless and sanctify us and spend holy time with His creation on the day He asked Exo20:8-11. Seems like Col2:16 is going to be your ride or die. Hope it works out well for you. Jesus told us to make our foundation on His sayings Luke6:46-49

As far as how the annual sabbath(s) are against mankind, they are not, its the record of sin that is against man that was handwritten by Moses outside the ark as a witness against man Deut31:24-26 the law Paul was quoting from, not the Testimony of God written by the finger of God Exo31:18 under the mercy seat of God, why His blood atones for the sins from this law, Ten, not nine Deut4:13 Exo25:21 Rev11:18-19.

The annual feast days and sabbath(s) were the shadows laws because Jesus came to put and end to all animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 all in the law of Moses the feast days and annual sabbaths were all connected to animal sacrifices what He came to put and end to and what the Bible says, if one allows, defines as the shadow laws Heb10:1-15 not the law of God written by God on stone for its eternal nature that Jesus came magnify Isa 42:21 which would include the weekly Sabbath all written in the heart of man Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 unless we refuse to subject ourselves to them Rom8:7-8. God never made a mistake with His written and spoken Testimony, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, we do by not fully trusting Him. The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it points back to Creation before sin Exo20:11 and points to our Creator Exo20:11 who will never be a shadow of anything He is the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7

If you beleive God wants "some people" to join themselves to Him and not everyone as He plainly said Isa 56:6, that can be ones choice. We can doubt anything He says, man means Jew (despite the Greek word He used means mankind) everyone means Jews Isa 56:6 Man again means Jews Isa 56:2 all flesh means Jews Isa 66:23. All these are thus saith the LORD's Jesus was confused with not knowing the difference between man and Jew despite He being the Creator both Jew and man Exo20:11 John1:3 Col 1:16 but we as the creation, need to correct Him and change His words.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T14:28:08-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
As far as how the annual sabbath(s) are against mankind, they are not, its the record of sin that is against man that was handwritten by Moses outside the ark as a witness against man Deut31:24-26 the law Paul was quoting from, not the Testimony of God written by the finger of God Exo31:18 under the mercy seat of God, why His blood atones for the sins from this law, Ten, not nine Deut4:13 Exo25:21 Rev11:18-19.

What does Deuteronomy 31:24-26 have to do with the handwritten ORDINANCES that were against us? Now all the sudden you’ve changed your tune on this passage.

SabbathBlessings said:
First of all I never said wiped out, Paul did and I explained what was wiped out Paul was quoting- the handwritten ordinances that were contrary and against- handwritten by Moses. I never once said the entire book of the law was removed, that was besides the ark there as a witness against (not me saying)

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Paul was quoting the laws he was referring to the sabbath(s) that were contained in ordinances handwritten in the Book of the law that was set beside the ark as a witness against you i.e. contrary and against- written by Moses

Right here you did specifically say that the hand written ordinances of the sabbaths was against us, now you’re changing your answer. Deuteronomy 31-24-26 doesn’t say anything about any of the sabbaths. The Passover sabbath commandment was given before they even left Egypt. So now you’re all over the place trying to figure this one out when it’s right there in front of you in Mark 2 that you’re so fond of quoting but you have no idea what it actually means. Why did Jesus say “the sabbath was made for man”? What was the purpose of Him saying that?

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T14:29:02-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
The annual feast days and sabbath(s) were the shadows laws because Jesus came to put and end to all animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 all in the law of Moses the feast days and annual sabbaths were all connected to animal sacrifices

And so was the Saturday sabbath as we’ve already shown you.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T14:35:59-0600

BNR32FAN said:
What does Deuteronomy 31:24-26 have to do with the handwritten ORDINANCES that were against us? Now all the sudden you’ve changed your tune on this passage.

I don’t think you are reading my posts. How many times have I quoted Deut 31:24-26 to you regarding Col 2:16

You can see for yourself....

Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

Christ said in Matt 7 not to judge others. The rule was the same before the cross , as afterwards. No He said don’t be hypocrites. He said remove the beam from your own eye then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. What do you think removing the speck means...

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BNR32FAN said:
Right here you did specifically say that the hand written ordinances of the sabbaths was against us, now you’re changing your answer. Deuteronomy 31-24-26 doesn’t say anything about any of the sabbaths. The Passover sabbath commandment was given before they even left Egypt. So now you’re all over the place trying to figure this one out when it’s right there in front of you in Mark 2 that you’re so fond of quoting but you have no idea what it actually means. Why did Jesus say “the sabbath was made for man”? What was the purpose of Him saying that?

Its the law Paul is quoting from where the annual sabbath(s) the handwritten ordinances written by Moses 2Chron33:8 that was placed besides the ark of the LORD that was there as a witness against thee Deut 31:24-26 my answer has never changed, its the same law I have always quoted.

The purpose of Jesus saying the Sabbath was made for man, because the Jews were keeping the Sabbath incorrectly, were making it a burden instead of the delight it was. Jesus was showing authority of the Sabbath as being LORD of it and showing His authority of mankind which He both made at Creation. Gen1:26 Exo20:11 Just because one might not understand all of what Jesus says or why, doesn't give us the right to change His words.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T14:36:25-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
and what the Bible says, if one allows, defines as the shadow laws Heb10:1-15 not the law of God written by God on stone for its eternal nature

The letters written in stone were the ministry of death and condemnation that was to fade away.

“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬

The 10 commandments were not eternal. Paul specifically says that the sabbaths are shadows of what was to come. You just refuse to accept what he said because Ellen White said so.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T14:42:48-0600

BNR32FAN said:
The letters written in stone were the ministry of death and condemnation that was to fade away.

“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬

The 10 commandments were not eternal. Paul specifically says that the sabbaths are shadows of what was to come. You just refuse to accept what he said because Ellen White said so.

The letters written on stone is holy, just and good and the law of God went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10

The law of God is what defines sin, 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 the law itself is not the issue, the issue is sin, breaking the law of God. The ministry of sin is death, why the Ten Commandments only is the law under the mercy seat of God, that His blood atones for our sins. If one is subjecting themselves to the ministry God which would include joining themselves to God Isa 56:6 and keeping His commandments by love and faith - He provides of the Holy Spirit which enables His NC believer to keep His commandments. Sadly we can still subject ourselves to the ministry of sin and death, by rejecting the law of God Rom8:7-8 why He calls on us to hear His voice Heb3:7-19, but sadly many has replaced His voice Isa 56:6 with a voice of another Dan7:25 Rom6:16

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T14:45:29-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Do you not read any of my posts? How many times have I quoted Deut 31:24-26 to you regarding Col 2:16

You can see for yourself....

Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

Christ said in Matt 7 not to judge others. The rule was the same before the cross , as afterwards. No He said don’t be hypocrites. He said remove the beam from your own eye then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. What do you think removing the speck means...

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Its the law Paul is quoting from where the annual sabbath(s) the handwritten ordinances written by Moses 2Chron33:8 that was placed besides the ark of the LORD that was there as a witness against thee Deut 31:24-26 my answer has never changed, its the same law I have always quoted.

The purpose of Jesus saying the Sabbath was made for man, because the Jews were keeping the Sabbath incorrectly, were making it a burden instead of the delight it was. Jesus was showing authority of the Sabbath as being LORD of it and showing His authority of mankind which He both made at Creation. Gen1:26 Exo20:11 Just because one might not understand all of what Jesus says or why, doesn't give us the right to change His words. Of course we can do what we want, but He warned us plainly not to. Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Pro30:6 Mat5:18-19 Rev22:18-19

Deuteronomy 31:24-26 says Moses wrote THIS LAW, where are the festivals, new moons, or sabbaths mentioned in the entire chapter?

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T14:47:39-0600

BNR32FAN said:
And so was the Saturday sabbath as we’ve already shown you.

And the weekly Sabbath continued on every Sabbath decades and decades after the Cross with not one animal sacrifice, because it was never married to animal sacrifices, nor was it a shadow law. The weekly Sabbath came before sin or a need for animal sacrifices started at Creation Exo20:11 no animal sacrifices on how to keep the Sabbath day holy in the 4th commandment Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 Isa 58:13 where as the annual sabbath(s) always included animal offerings.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T14:51:09-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 says Moses wrote THIS LAW, where are the festivals, new moons, or sabbaths mentioned in the entire chapter?

What law was placed inside the ark of the covenant and what did it include written divinely by God, not man?

The law that Moses wrote, this law was everything else written in a book, but Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments includes the 4th commandment thus saith the Lord. God divinely placed them together. Man can’t rip them apart, as they are a unit under the mercy seat of God. Exo 25:21 Exo 31:18 Rev15:5 Rev11:19 God wrote this law with His finger Exo 20:1-17 Deut 4:13 Exo31:18 and no more were added Deu5:22 its God’s standard of right doing Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting. Why this law is in heaven and final atonement has not happened John12:48 Exo31:18 James 2:11-12 Rev11:18-19

Moses wrote everything else in a book placed outside the ark Deut 31:24-26 which included all the handwritten ordinances 2Chron33:8 and the ordinances of the Passover - yearly animal feast days and offerings and annual sabbaths Exo12:43 everything except the Ten Commandments- what God called My commandments collectively as a unit of Ten, not nine Exo20:6

The Bible is not written in chronological order, it’s written in repeat and enlarge. Once the Bible establishes something it does’t change later when we see the same word in other chapters, especially when its established by God Himself as if there is any voice greater than His.

I think we are probably at an impasse, we go over the same arguments and it’s not fruitful. I am probably going to move along unless something new comes up.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T15:22:50-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Do you not read any of my posts? How many times have I quoted Deut 31:24-26 to you regarding Col 2:16

You can see for yourself....

No you changed from handwritten ordinances to handwritten certificate of sin. Those are not the same thing and that’s not what verse 14-15 says.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T15:29:07-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
What law was placed inside the ark of the covenant and what did it include written by God, not man?

The law that Moses wrote, this law was everything else written in a book, but the Ten Commandments. I would show you again from Scripture but since I have before a few times and you didn't beleive them I do not think finding the posts again and showing you would yeild a different result. The answers are in your Bible.

The book of the covenant contained every commandment that God had ever given the Israelites including the 10 commandments. You’re quoting Deuteronomy 31-24-26 where Moses is adding new laws to the book just like he had been doing since Sinai. That’s why Deuteronomy 31-24-26 says he wrote THIS LAW in the book because it was a new law that hadn’t been written in it yet that had nothing to do with any of the feasts, new moons, or sabbaths that were written in the book back at Sinai.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T15:31:42-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Its the law Paul is quoting from where the annual sabbath(s) the handwritten ordinances written by Moses 2Chron33:8 that was placed besides the ark of the LORD that was there as a witness against thee Deut 31:24-26 my answer has never changed, its the same law I have always quoted.

Right, it’s the same book of the covenant that Moses had been writing in since Mt Sinai, the same book that he wrote ALL THAT THE LORD HAD SPOKEN in Exodus 24:3-4 which INCLUDED THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.

BNR32FAN · 2026-02-17T15:36:31-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
The purpose of Jesus saying the Sabbath was made for man, because the Jews were keeping the Sabbath incorrectly, were making it a burden instead of the delight it was. Jesus was showing authority of the Sabbath as being LORD of it and showing His authority of mankind which He both made at Creation. Gen1:26 Exo20:11 Just because one might not understand all of what Jesus says or why, doesn't give us the right to change His words. Of course we can do what we want, but He warned us plainly not to. Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Pro30:6 Mat5:18-19 Rev22:18-19

Right so the sabbath commandment itself wasn’t a burden it was being made into a burden by the Pharisees just like all of the rest of the appointed times which is precisely why they were against us in Colossians 2:15 and why they were abolished in order to “disarm the rulers and authorities” just like Paul said in Colossians 2:15.

“When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

THEREFORE (BECAUSE OF THIS)

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now if the Saturday sabbath remains then are the rulers and authorities actually disarmed if they can still make the sabbath a burden on man like they did in Mark 2?

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T15:38:44-0600

@BNR32FAN Please find the Scripture that says Moses wrote the Ten Commandments in the book outside the ark. The words God spoke to Moses in Exo24 is the laws Moses wrote in the Book Exo24:7 Deut 31:24-26 God already spoke the Ten Commandments directly to the people Exo20:1-17 and they already agreed Exo19:8. The book came after.

The Ten Commandments was written by God Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Exo32:16 spoken directly to Israel by God Exo20:1-17 placed inside the ark of the covenant Exo40:20 Exo25:16 not outside like the book Deuteronomy:24-26 and no more were added Deut5:22. The Bible is as clear as it could be on this Our faith comes by hearing the word of God Rom10:17 His alone.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-02-17T15:43:07-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Right so the sabbath commandment itself wasn’t a burden it was being made into a burden by the Pharisees just like all of the rest of the appointed times which is precisely why they were against us in Colossians 2:15 and why they were abolished in order to “disarm the rulers and authorities” just like Paul said in Colossians 2:15.

“When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

THEREFORE (BECAUSE OF THIS)

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Now if the Saturday sabbath remains then are the rulers and authorities actually disarmed if they can still make the sabbath a burden on man like they did in Mark 2?

So Jesus was so powerless against the Jews that instead of correctly them He just said no don’t bother keeping the Sabbath correctly, don’t worry about joining yourself to Me, or serve Me, serve your father the devil instead John8:44 and I will bless you just the same. We can literally make up anything we want to. The devil will always take something blessed by God and try to make it a burden and will always make a counterfeit to what God said. God does not change, He elevates man to Him, not lowers His standard of righteousness Psalm 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 His is everlasting Psalm 119:142 and the foundation of His throne Psalm 89:14 why the devil is constantly attacking the Sabbath.. God gives us the opportunity to join ourselves to HIM Isa56:6 which voice will we listen to.

Paul was not speaking of the Ten Commandments in Col2:16 as already shown by Scripture.
Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command The Sabbath is a commandment of God written by God spoken by God how much more Authority does one need.

This is what Paul taught in this same passage

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

He warned us of these very teachings. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, that is according to Christ, He said it was made for mankind and never took this back once, trying to tear down what Jesus is Lord of doesn't make it go away, all we can do is forfeit our blessing just like the Israelites Eze20:16. God said the Sabbath is made to bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 and He asked us to join ourselves to Him by keeping the Sabbath Isa 56:6 honoring Him as a delight Isa 58:13 this is according to Christ all thus saith the LORDS. Where did Christ teach we do not have to keep the Sabbath anywhere in Scripture. Paul is not countermanding Christ, no man can take away God’s blessing Num 23:19-20 these are the philosophy’s he warned would cheat people just as Jesus warned Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14.

BobRyan · 2026-02-17T19:46:19-0600

tall73 said:
Bob, you are asking how often I argue your view instead of my own?

No I did not ask that. I asked how often you argue your OWN view in cases where it is in favor of those things you "said" you agree with in my list of common ground beliefs "held by BOTH sides", instead of leaving it to the Sabbath keeping Christians on my side to do it.

Here I could be mistaken, I suppose it is possible that you don't even hold to as much common ground with Bible Sabbath keepers as do all the historic Confessions of Faith.. You seem to be promoting that idea.

tall73 said:
No, I don't do that often. And it is a silly question.

Maybe you need me to ask that question again. Do you understand the question?

tall73 said:
If by that you mean the sign given to Israel refers back to God stopping His creative work on the 7th Day in Eden, (as well as redemption from Egypt, and a sign of sanctification) I have stated that.

Have you read Ex 20:11? When does God say that He made the seventh day Sabbath a holy day in vs 11?? Did I say "I just now blessed the seventh, sanctified the Sabbath and made it holy" in Ex 20:11? Seriously?

tall73 said:
If you mean that the Sabbath command was given in Eden to Adam, and was given to all mankind, I have argued against that

ok fine, then you are consistent . Because that is the common ground we find with the Bible Sabbath groups and also the well known Confessions of Faith in Christianity, that you ... say you oppose.

I certainly am not asking you to "oppose that more".

tall73 said:
, the historical quotes you just admitted you are aware of argued against that

In fact they argue that very thing. That the Sabbath was given to all mankind in Eden , is included in the moral law of God and was given as the 7th day (Saturday).

Maybe we are talking about two different things. That response of yours does not appear logical

BobRyan · 2026-02-17T20:03:01-0600

BobRyan said:
What is worse, we seldom get to the basic points of difference in the classic Sabbath debate (the Both sides that are on record), because we are stuck defending those points on the Sabbath that even you agree with when discussing with the antiSabbath group here. Points that you are not here to defend even though it agrees with your own POV.

from your recent posts it appears that you may not even agree with that "common ground" set of Bible facts that are in common between the Confessions of Faith in Christianity , Catechism etc.

tall73 said:
Here Bob, since you want me to promote your conversation, I will make an exception and do so:

For those having trouble understanding what Bob is driving at here, He would appear to desire to be able to talk about how the Roman Catholic church replaced the 7th-day Sabbath

I did not say anything about "replaced the Sabbath"

tall73 said:
with a Sunday Sabbath, because of tradition, rather than answer why Scriptures point out

The Sabbath was a sign given to Israel

The Sabbath had sacrifices associated with it

The Sabbath was an appointed time for Israel

Clearly it was "at least that"
Thankfully the classic Confessions of Faith in Christianity and the well documented Bible Sabbath groups agree that INSTEAD of

The Sabbath was a sign given ONLY to Israel
The Sabbath had sacrifices associated with it (and did NOT exist as the seventh day in EDEN)
The Sabbath was an appointed time for Israel (and was NOT "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27 no matter Christ's statement in Mark 2)

What I was getting at is

The Sabbath was made for MANKIND and not just Israel
The Sabbath had sacrifices associated with it, only AFTER the fall, and it has no sacrifices in the actual commandment still today
The Sabbath was an appointed time for Israel, and ALL mankind in Gen 2, Is 66:23 and in the NT "Every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 gentiles and Jews in worship hearing Gospel sermons

tall73 said:
The OT background to Col. 2 shows that the listing of appointed times in Col. 2 refers back to similar lists

Indeed Col 2 is about gnostics that were "making stuff up" regarding those Lev 23 Sabbathsj , and that included "judging others" the very thing Christ condemned BEFORE the cross in Matt 7. No change preCross vs postCross

tall73 said:
Romans 14 is very broad in speaking about people esteeming days, and that it is a disputable matter not to judge regarding.

Rom 14 "one man observes one day above another while another man observes every day, ... he who observes the day observes it for the Lord"

Even Paul is seen observing some of those annual holy days in the books of Acts (of which only THREE were mandatory in Israel and only the men were under that obligation for those three)

tall73 said:
If anyone wants to talk to Bob about how the Catholic church replaced the Sabbath

Should probably start a thread on that topic if that is your focus.

tall73 said:
Because then he can talk about human tradition

This thread is about the Sabbath.
Mark 7:7-13 is about trying to replace one of the Commandments of God with made up tradition
Matt 5 Jesus condemns the teaching that His work was to delete any commandment of God

I think we both know that Jesus did not teach people to stop keeping God's Commandments, certainly not in Matt 5 or Matt 19

BobRyan · 2026-02-17T20:21:08-0600

tall73 said:
I said: it is strange that you say we go by Scripture, then you bring up all these things outside of Scripture.

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You changed that to:

I said it is strange that you say we go by Scripture

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tall73 said:
Bob, do you think bearing false witness regarding my statements is a good way to promote the ten commandments?

My quote marks were only around your word "Strange".
I am trying to clarify the comparison of our views not to claim you believe something you do not.

IN my post I point out your two part statement is of this form:

"you say we go by scripture"
"you point to areas of agreement with what you call the opposing side of the Sabbath debate"

My response is that while
A) it is a fact that we go by scripture for all our doctrine, we quote nothing else in our FB definition of them (as you know)
B) You keep being amazed at the common ground facts, points of truth, that I highlight in the case of the classic Christian Confessions of faith.

You have invented a false either/or fallacy where one can either define all their doctrines sola scriptura, OR they can point to areas of agreement between their view and some other groups view.

I find you logic at that point "illusive"

Your responses make it appear to me that Either you have not read those Confessions or are simply dismayed that the Bible Sabbath Christian groups AND those Christian groups that affirm the Confessions of faith, catechism, sermons I highlight, do have that common ground.

It seems to bother you each time I point it out along with all the Bible texts I reference for the points I am responding to.

BobRyan · 2026-02-17T20:30:33-0600

BobRyan said:
A good chapter to find no reference at all to the Gen 2:2-3 holy day called "Sabbath" in Ex 20:11

tall73 said:
Romans 14 is a good chapter that makes a broad statement about observing holy times, in a church with Gentiles and Jews. It is a problem for you that he did not limit it.

It simply says "observes" and "regards"

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe it

(we both know the word "alike" is not in the Greek)

The word "Sabbath" is not in the entire chapter, but it leads us to think that Lev 23 with its "many" days for observance.

Nothing in Rom 14 says "only 9 commandments now" and nothing saying it is ok to ignore the Gen 2 Sabbath "made for mankind" as Christ said where even gentiles "ask for more gospel" teaching to be scheduled for them "on the NEXT SABBATH" Acts 13.

But it was very much allowed to not observe the days of ceremony as Heb 10 points out because "He takes away the first to establish the second" as Heb 10 states regarding the entire system of animal sacrifice.

BobRyan · 2026-02-17T20:36:17-0600

tall73 said:
Moreover, Paul doesn't just refer to false teachings. He makes positive statements. He says the appointed times are shadows that point to Christ. That is Paul's teaching. Not that they are blotted out.

vs 16 is not blotting out any of scripture not even ceremonial days. It is talking about "blotting out our certificate of debt". The "wages of sin" owed for transgression. It is not talking about blotting out one of the Ten commandments nor even one of the Lev 23 holy days.

His point of about "not judging" is the same one Christ brings up in Mark 7 and has nothing to do with deleting some command of God, nor even a change from something before the cross vs after. The animal sacrifices were a shadow pointing to Christ from their very start. And the Gen 2 Sabbath that Ex 20:11 directs us to, was there before any animal sacrifice ceremony

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