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Sorry its my grammar again. I meant to question the interpretation that the unseen and quiet Christians working in the background are agnostic. I was saying they are much more than agnostic. Rather they have the most faithful service. Thus being great Christians.

The greater faith would be that they lived the actual teachings. They were willing to lay down their lives, their possessions and everything for Christ.

Imagine a church like this today. It would be radical don't you think. People may even say its a hippy comune lol. Or they are like the Amish.

But the simple truth of the teachings clearly says that these are the fruits of Christs church.

So if there was such a church that could never be held with any charge of hypocracy or not living what they preach. That they actually give up their worldly goods even suffering as a concequence. Obviously to the Christians its not surffering but an honor.

Don't you think that this would be radically different. Something the world has rarely seen.
I marvel that you say, "Or they would be like the Amish."
 
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I marvel that you say, "Or they would be like the Amish."
Only that they would be percieved as Amish. Not that they would be as in the strict tradition and ideology of escaping the world as a way of life.

I mean that if a church did sell their possession to help the poor as following the actual teachings (because thats what it actually says we should do).

Then this would be radical and noticed by everyone. It would actually be applying Christs teachings. Not just saying people should. Or giving a little to show virtue but still holding on to material wealth. But actually sacrificing ones own material comfort for Christ and causing themselves to suffer.

That would show up as hypocritical most Christians and especially the secular Woke who are always virtue signalling. Who try to shame people for not being Woke enough while commiting the very sins they virtue signal about. Just like the Pharisees.
 
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Only that they would be percieved as Amish. Not that they would be as in the strict tradition and ideology of escaping the world as a way of life.

I mean that if a church did sell their possession to help the poor as following the actual teachings (because thats what it actually says we should do).

Then this would be radical and noticed by everyone. It would actually be applying Christs teachings. Not just saying people should. Or giving alittle to show virtue. But actually sacrificing ones own material comfort for Christ and causing themselves to suffering as far as material wealth.

That would show up most Christians and even the secular Woke who are always virtue signalling. Who try to shame people for not being Woke enough while commiting the very sins they virtue signal about. Just like the Pharisees.
I think I understand your reference to Amish, but I don't think they are choosing that lifestyle in order to help the poor. Some of them might even be guilty of feeling pride for not comforming with the "English" as they call us.
 
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I wonder, how could it be that someone could prophesy, cast out demons, and do many wonderful works all in the Lord's name, and yet God could proclaim that He never knew them. If those things don't demonstrate faith then what does?

Seriously, how do those things not demonstrate faith?

Once again I'll appeal to the story of the Samaritan, and Jesus' answer to the question, 'who is my brother'. Proof of the agnostic's faith lies in the fact that they do good works for no other reason than that they are good.

Of the two examples given above, which one is the Christian?
Those who claim to prophesy, cast out demons, and do many wonderful works all in the Lord's name, but who don't know the Lord at all, certainly do not have faith in the God of the bible.

As for the man who asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbour?" ( not "brother") we are not told whether he came to faith. He doesn't seem to have had faith when he asked the question, because we read that he asked it because he wanted to justify himself:

“But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”” (Lu 10:29 NKJV)
 
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I think I understand your reference to Amish, but I don't think they are choosing that lifestyle in order to help the poor. Some of them might even be guilty of feeling pride for not comforming with the "English" as they call us.
I don't mean the Amish are displaying the kind of sacrifice the early Christians were doing. Or what Christ and the disciples taught. I agree its an ideology. More about observance than the spirit of sacrificing ones life to help the poor. Which may be anyone who comes seeking answers and help.

They should not be making people conform to a dress code and all these other created obligations. They should be open to the poor however they are.

But a Christian church who in the midst of the world is like Christ taught, exactly like this and no compromise. This would be radical and be a shinning example right now. I think this is what is needed to cut through all the lies and point the way to God.

It won't be a mix of the world. It will be unlike the world. There can be no charge against such a church of hypocracy or not living the teachings. It would hold authority just by exampling Christ.
 
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As for the man who asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbour?" ( not "brother")

Dang, that's my second glaring misquote of the day. I must have my stocking cap on a bit too tight.

As for the man who asked Jesus, "Who is my neighbour?" ( not "brother") we are not told whether he came to faith. He doesn't seem to have had faith when he asked the question, because we read that he asked it because he wanted to justify himself:

“But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”” (Lu 10:29 NKJV)

You seem to have missed my point... my bad.
 
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