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NY Fed report says Americans pay for almost all of Trump's tariffs, water is wet

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Feb 12 (Reuters) - Americans are shouldering almost all of President Donald Trump’s import tax surge, a report, opens new tab from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said on Thursday.

The bank said 90% of the tariffs imposed by the president on imported goods are borne by American consumers and companies. The report pushes back against the Trump administration’s argument that the levies are paid by foreigners.
 

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Feb 12 (Reuters) - Americans are shouldering almost all of President Donald Trump’s import tax surge, a report, opens new tab from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said on Thursday.

The bank said 90% of the tariffs imposed by the president on imported goods are borne by American consumers and companies. The report pushes back against the Trump administration’s argument that the levies are paid by foreigners.
Golly.
 
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Think of it more as an investment. We tariff other countries to get them to stop treating us unfairly with increased tariffs on us. When they cooperate, then we can reduce or eliminate our tariffs on them. As a result, more jobs are created here because then we can export more of our products overseas.all of this brings in more money in the United states.
 
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Think of it more as an investment. We tariff other countries to get them to stop treating us unfairly with increased tariffs on us. When they cooperate, then we can reduce or eliminate our tariffs on them. As a result, more jobs are created here because then we can export more of our products overseas.all of this brings in more money in the United states.
Ah, I understand now. You have to pay more for things until the situation reverts to what it was before.


Be sure to let us know when you get those manufacturing jobs back. In the meantime, countries are looking elsewhere for trading deals.


On January 25, Mr Trump said he would place a 100 per cent tariff on goods imported from Canada, if it went ahead with its trade deal with China.

"[Mark Carney] thinks he is going to make Canada a 'Drop Off Port' for China to send goods and products into the United States, he is sorely mistaken," Mr Trump said.

The deal resulted in Canada reducing its import tax on Chinese electric vehicles from 100 per cent to 6.1 per cent but it imposed an annual import cap — 49,000 vehicles in 2026, rising to 70,000 by 2030. In return, Beijing lowered its tariffs on Canadian canola seeds from 84 per cent to about 15 per cent.

University of Technology Sydney economist Roy Green said the danger was the US might isolate itself.

"In the post-war period when the US was 40 to 50 per cent of the world economy, and certainly most of its manufacturing, the US might've got away with dominating not only its hemisphere, but the entire world economy," he said. "But those days are gone. We're in a multipolar world now, and we're beginning to see the formation of trade blocs."

Since the beginning of the year, longstanding trade negotiations with some of the largest trading blocs have been finalised.

The European Union agreed a trade deal with the Mercosur trading bloc, which includes Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil and Uruguay. It is expected to increase EU exports to the region by almost 40 per cent by 2040. The EU also struck a trade agreement with India, which is expected to see EU exports to India double by 2032.'

That gurgling noise you hear is your manufacturing base dissapearing down the toilet. Countries that used to be allies, that used to think of the US as a good friend are now looking elsewhere as regards trade. You have become untrustworthy. And do you know who is to blame? It's you. You voted for this. It's what you thought you wanted. But hey, you just keep telling yourself that it's 'an investment'.

And from here: These charts show how Trump is isolating the US on the world stage

Donald Trump’s return to the White House has accelerated a profound shift in the global order, according to new analysis.

A report from Focaldata, which analyses UN voting records, reveals how Washington’s “America First” agenda has started to redraw the geopolitical map in favour of China. In 2026, the world is now diplomatically closer to Beijing than it has been in recent memory, with significant shifts in alignments taking place during the start of Trump’s second presidential term.'
 
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Ah, I understand now. You have to pay more for things until the situation reverts to what it was before.


Be sure to let us know when you get those manufacturing jobs back. In the meantime, countries are looking elsewhere for trading deals.


On January 25, Mr Trump said he would place a 100 per cent tariff on goods imported from Canada, if it went ahead with its trade deal with China.

"[Mark Carney] thinks he is going to make Canada a 'Drop Off Port' for China to send goods and products into the United States, he is sorely mistaken," Mr Trump said.

The deal resulted in Canada reducing its import tax on Chinese electric vehicles from 100 per cent to 6.1 per cent but it imposed an annual import cap — 49,000 vehicles in 2026, rising to 70,000 by 2030. In return, Beijing lowered its tariffs on Canadian canola seeds from 84 per cent to about 15 per cent.

University of Technology Sydney economist Roy Green said the danger was the US might isolate itself.

"In the post-war period when the US was 40 to 50 per cent of the world economy, and certainly most of its manufacturing, the US might've got away with dominating not only its hemisphere, but the entire world economy," he said. "But those days are gone. We're in a multipolar world now, and we're beginning to see the formation of trade blocs."

Since the beginning of the year, longstanding trade negotiations with some of the largest trading blocs have been finalised.

The European Union agreed a trade deal with the Mercosur trading bloc, which includes Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil and Uruguay. It is expected to increase EU exports to the region by almost 40 per cent by 2040. The EU also struck a trade agreement with India, which is expected to see EU exports to India double by 2032.'

That gurgling noise you hear is your manufacturing base dissapearing down the toilet. Countries that used to be allies, that used to think of the US as a good friend are now looking elsewhere as regards trade. You have become untrustworthy. And do you know who is to blame? It's you. You voted for this. It's what you thought you wanted. But hey, you just keep telling yourself that it's 'an investment'.

And from here: These charts show how Trump is isolating the US on the world stage

Donald Trump’s return to the White House has accelerated a profound shift in the global order, according to new analysis.

A report from Focaldata, which analyses UN voting records, reveals how Washington’s “America First” agenda has started to redraw the geopolitical map in favour of China. In 2026, the world is now diplomatically closer to Beijing than it has been in recent memory, with significant shifts in alignments taking place during the start of Trump’s second presidential term.'
You should select your articles without bias.

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  • Rapid Growth (Q3 2025): The economy grew by 4.4% in the third quarter of 2025, up from 3.8% in the second quarter, demonstrating significant momentum.
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You should select your articles without bias.
Try to concentrate on manufacturing. Which is the reason Trump said he brought in the tariffs.


'Hiring in manufacturing, meanwhile, has been in the doldrums. The sector lost another 8,000 jobs in December, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated, and factory employment has dropped more than 70,000 since April to 12.69 million as of last month - the lowest reading since March of 2022.'

From here: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/economy/jobs-trump-manufacturing-trade

“We’re going to have a manufacturing boom,” Trump said during a September 2024 rally in battleground Georgia. Trump said his policies would attract “energy-hungry industries,” creating “millions and millions of blue-collar jobs and jobs of every type.”

He lied to you. And gee, you fell for it. Hook, line, sinker and the rod and reel as well. And you can't complain. This is what you voted for.
 
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Think of it more as an investment. We tariff other countries to get them to stop treating us unfairly with increased tariffs on us. When they cooperate, then we can reduce or eliminate our tariffs on them. As a result, more jobs are created here because then we can export more of our products overseas.all of this brings in more money in the United states.
We have the bulk of “the money” though, that’s what we “trade”.
 
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Try to concentrate on manufacturing. Which is the reason Trump said he brought in the tariffs.


'Hiring in manufacturing, meanwhile, has been in the doldrums. The sector lost another 8,000 jobs in December, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated, and factory employment has dropped more than 70,000 since April to 12.69 million as of last month - the lowest reading since March of 2022.'

From here: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/economy/jobs-trump-manufacturing-trade

“We’re going to have a manufacturing boom,” Trump said during a September 2024 rally in battleground Georgia. Trump said his policies would attract “energy-hungry industries,” creating “millions and millions of blue-collar jobs and jobs of every type.”

He lied to you. And gee, you fell for it. Hook, line, sinker and the rod and reel as well. And you can't complain. This is what you voted for.
Manufacturing jobs don't just materialize instantaneously. Investments have to be made, factories need to be built, tooling needs to be implemented. It's not a quick an easy process that will happen within a single year. Companies have already begun building here and it's only a matter of time before jobs in manufacturing will be here as well. I know you want to focus on manufacturing, but the building of the factories involves construction jobs which we already are seeing booming at this time. Once the building of the factories is complete, the manufacturing jobs can then start.

Also, there's this:
 
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Manufacturing jobs don't just materialize instantaneously. Investments have to be made, factories need to be built, tooling needs to be implemented.
Will it happen before the midterms? Before 2028? When will Biden finally not be responsible for the economy?
 
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Will it happen before the midterms? Before 2028? When will Biden finally not be responsible for the economy?
Who cares? The important thing is that it happens. The nation wasn't built in a day, and manufacturers don't cause factories to spring up instantly either.
People are too impatient these days.
 
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Manufacturing jobs don't just materialize instantaneously. Investments have to be made, factories need to be built, tooling needs to be implemented. It's not a quick an easy process that will happen within a single year. Companies have already begun building here and it's only a matter of time before jobs in manufacturing will be here as well. I know you want to focus on manufacturing, but the building of the factories involves construction jobs which we already are seeing booming at this time. Once the building of the factories is complete, the manufacturing jobs can then start.

Also, there's this:
Right, there’ll be a time of “pain” then it’ll get “better”. Sure.
 
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Manufacturing jobs don't just materialize instantaneously.
Well, according to Trump this was all going to happen on his watch. But as you say, there's fat chance of that happening. Any investment needs to be amortised over many years (he lied, and now you know it). And if you spend the time investigating all those WH pats-on-the-back they were giving themselves (I'll be very surprised in you investigated any of them) then you'll see time frames that run through into the mid 30's and employment figures over those time scales of just a few thousand.

And most of those investments are in computer chips and AI based companies. And what do you really think that's going to mean for employment in the mid to long term? Trump said '“millions and millions of blue-collar jobs and jobs of every type.” We both know that's bulldust. You gave a link which showed that. The jobs are mostly white collar and they're not in the 'millions and millions'. They're not even in the hundreds of thousands. Not even in the tens of thousands. They're a few thousand here. A few thousand there. Spread over many years. You should actually read what you link because the picture it paints is not the one you thought it did.

You saw the figures for the latest employment. Well over 90% of the new jobs are in services industries and health. Lucky for you I guess as there'll be lots of of people willing to look after you when you're out of work and sick. And considering the direction Trump is dragging you then that possible scenario is looking like a solid gold certainty in the very near future.
 
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Well, according to Trump this was all going to happen on his watch.
Are we assuming that his “watch” is over 20 January 2029, 12:00?
It’s possible if it’s 2030, somebody will have built a shell of a building and tout that there’s going to be jobs, jobs, jobs! and Trump can claim victory. He only wants a “win”, it doesn’t need to be a ”good win”. He’s playable.
 
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Well, according to Trump this was all going to happen on his watch. But as you say, there's fat chance of that happening. Any investment needs to be amortised over many years (he lied, and now you know it). And if you spend the time investigating all those WH pats-on-the-back they were giving themselves (I'll be very surprised in you investigated any of them) then you'll see time frames that run through into the mid 30's and employment figures over those time scales of just a few thousand.
You’re not “new to politics”, I know, but this is like 102 politics…the reason that you place tariffs on good is to encourage manufacturers to locate on the “home shores”, feed our kids!, and when they do bend to that (artificial) market-force they will have to deal with the President and his friends who will be happy to sell them the land and “cut-red-tape” to expedite things.
Grease is cheap. And necessary every 50,000 miles!

If half of one’s economy is only “making more money” then the other half is what is making it possible to live!
That sounds “low”, maybe I’m w, wr, wrong?)


And most of those investments are in computer chips and AI based companies. And what do you really think that's going to mean for employment in the mid to long term? Trump said '“millions and millions of blue-collar jobs and jobs of every type.” We both know that's bulldust. You gave a link which showed that. The jobs are mostly white collar and they're not in the 'millions and millions'. They're not even in the hundreds of thousands. Not even in the tens of thousands. They're a few thousand here. A few thousand there. Spread over many years. You should actually read what you link because the picture it paints is not the one you thought it did.
AI won’t be well understood for another 20 years, the laws will be made where we would like Ai to “take us” (rather than forcing us to go). It looks like it’ll be a “fun-ride” once the patina on the hype is tested.

You saw the figures for the latest employment. Well over 90% of the new jobs are in services industries and health. Lucky for you I guess as there'll be lots of of people willing to look after you when you're out of work and sick. And considering the direction Trump is dragging you then that possible scenario is looking like a solid gold certainty in the very near future.
Trump’s going to do what he wants, that’s how he sees his “job” and that’s great, that’s how it should be!
One would hope that the person in the Office, would be someone of integrity, honor and trust.

He would like to use every lever of power reasonably available to him, if only to “see what happens”! (No, Pommer, bad Pommer! Don’t assume motive!
 
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You’re not “new to politics”, I know, but this is like 102 politics…the reason that you place tariffs on good is to encourage manufacturers to locate on the “home shores”, feed our kids!, and when they do bend to that (artificial) market-force they will have to deal with the President and his friends who will be happy to sell them the land and “cut-red-tape” to expedite things.
Grease is cheap. And necessary every 50,000 miles!

If half of one’s economy is only “making more money” then the other half is what is making it possible to live!
That sounds “low”, maybe I’m w, wr, wrong?)



AI won’t be well understood for another 20 years, the laws will be made where we would like Ai to “take us” (rather than forcing us to go). It looks like it’ll be a “fun-ride” once the patina on the hype is tested.


Trump’s going to do what he wants, that’s how he sees his “job” and that’s great, that’s how it should be!
One would hope that the person in the Office, would be someone of integrity, honor and trust.

He would like to use every lever of power reasonably available to him, if only to “see what happens”! (No, Pommer, bad Pommer! Don’t assume motive!
I think you sound as despondent as I am right now.
 
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Feb 12 (Reuters) - Americans are shouldering almost all of President Donald Trump’s import tax surge, a report, opens new tab from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said on Thursday.

The bank said 90% of the tariffs imposed by the president on imported goods are borne by American consumers and companies. The report pushes back against the Trump administration’s argument that the levies are paid by foreigners.
Who (apart from everyone with an economics degree) could have known? Nobody knew! Nobody knew this would be so complicated. People come up to me and say ‘Sir, no one knew it was so complicated”. But we’re getting really good numbers. Meat. We’ll get meat. Like our great ancestors. The plains were full of them. Not any more. No one knows where they have all gone.

Clear the room now!
 
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Who cares? The important thing is that it happens. The nation wasn't built in a day, and manufacturers don't cause factories to spring up instantly either.
People are too impatient these days.
Well some of them aren't going to spring up at all either. VW has announced that they've scrapped the plan to build a manufacturing plant in SC due to the tariffs and the economics of it no longer making it profitable for them. Seems like they are instead going to build in Canada alongside the battery manufacturing complex they got there.
 
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