The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Arial-byGrace · Wednesday at 4:31 PM

Carl Emerson said:
Regeneration is impossible before the Indwelling at rebirth.

Regeneration is the new birth.

John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

5. Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Carl Emerson · Wednesday at 5:41 PM

zoidar said:
I think he claims salvation was secured for the elect before creation.

He seems to argue that Christs Death did the trick...

Carl Emerson · Wednesday at 5:47 PM

Arial-byGrace said:
Regeneration is the new birth.

Regeneration starts at new birth...

Romans 8:13
for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer person is decaying, yet our inner person is being renewed day by day.
Ephesians 4:23
in reference to your former way of life, you are to rid yourselves of the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you are to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created it

Arial-byGrace · Thursday at 6:45 AM

Carl Emerson said:
Regeneration starts at new birth...

Romans 8:13
for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
2 Corinthians 4:16
Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer person is decaying, yet our inner person is being renewed day by day.
Ephesians 4:23
in reference to your former way of life, you are to rid yourselves of the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you are to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self, which is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created it

That is progressive sanctification, not regeneration. It is a result of regeneration and union with Christ through faith.

Carl Emerson · Thursday at 6:22 PM

Arial-byGrace said:
That is progressive sanctification, not regeneration. It is a result of regeneration and union with Christ through faith.

Are you suggesting we are not to attain to becoming more Christ like, putting off the flesh, walking in the Spirit - after our initial birth in Faith ?

Brightfame52 · Thursday at 6:39 PM

Carl Emerson said:
So you claim Salvation was secured for the elect before the resurrection ?

Didnt you just read where I said they're a unified whole in post 357 ? The DBR secured and saved the full Salvation of them He died for. Why dont you try reading my posts instead of going around in circles

Carl Emerson · Thursday at 7:29 PM

Brightfame52 said:
Didnt you just read where I said they're a unified whole in post 357 ? The DBR secured and saved the full Salvation of them He died for. Why dont you try reading my posts instead of going around in circles

Yes, I read you posts, and the fact that you seem to want to emphasise the saving aspects of the death of Christ more than the Saving Power of the resurrection.

This miss-emphasis leads to a dead church - the title of your thread seems to expose your perspective in this regard.

Brightfame52 · Friday at 5:49 AM

Carl Emerson said:
Yes, I read you posts,

And yet you ask the same questions, Maybe you just cant comprehend

Carl Emerson said:
you seem to want to emphasise the saving aspects of the death of Christ more than the Saving Power of the resurrection.

For the 1000th time, they go together

Arial-byGrace · Friday at 6:24 AM

Carl Emerson said:
Are you suggesting we are not to attain to becoming more Christ like, putting off the flesh, walking in the Spirit - after our initial birth in Faith ?

How do you get that, out of this:

Arial-byGrace said:
That is progressive sanctification, not regeneration. It is a result of regeneration and union with Christ through faith.

Brightfame52 · Friday at 8:17 AM

Carl Emerson said:
Yes, I read you posts, and the fact that you seem to want to emphasise the saving aspects of the death of Christ more than the Saving Power of the resurrection.

The Resurrection of Christ evidences/vindicates the saving efficacy of His Death, His death abolished death, destroyed it, hence proof of that is His Resurrection 2 Tim 1:10

10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

How do you think He abolished death ? What does abolishing death mean ?

zoidar · Friday at 9:29 AM

Brightfame52 said:
The Resurrection of Christ evidences/vindicates the saving efficacy of His Death, His death abolished death,

It does not say "His death" abolished death. It just say "He abolished death".

Brightfame52 said:
destroyed it, hence proof of that is His Resurrection 2 Tim 1:10

10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

How do you think He abolished death ? What does abolishing death mean ?

Carl Emerson · Friday at 1:09 PM

zoidar said:
I think he claims salvation was secured for the elect before creation.

Yes there is no doubt the crucifixion is a timeless event and the elect were chosen before the creation, however the OP seems to present the former without the necessary context of the latter. This is to fail to include the appropriately the Power of God manifest in the Resurrection.

Generally Churches that are over focussed on the death of Jesus do not express His Life.

Brightfame52 · Friday at 2:01 PM

zoidar said:
It does not say "His death" abolished death. It just say "He abolished death".

its implied. How did He abolish death ?

zoidar · Friday at 2:52 PM

Brightfame52 said:
its implied. How did He abolish death ?

By his death and resurrection?

Brightfame52 · Friday at 4:20 PM

zoidar said:
By his death and resurrection?

I disagree, I believe He destroyed death by His death and His Resurrection evidenced it. Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

How did He destroy the devil who had power of death ?

Carl Emerson · Friday at 7:14 PM

Brightfame52 said:
I disagree, I believe He destroyed death by His death and His Resurrection evidenced it. Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

How did He destroy the devil who had power of death ?

That is a future event.

zoidar · Saturday at 7:00 AM

Brightfame52 said:
I disagree, I believe He destroyed death by His death and His Resurrection evidenced it. Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

How did He destroy the devil who had power of death ?

Hm, but is it not the resurrection that justifies us? I don't think the resurrection is just a sign of the victory over death, but the resurrection is needed for the victory to be fulfilled.

He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.
— Romans 4:25

and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
— 1 Corinthians 15:17

Brightfame52 · Saturday at 7:52 AM

Carl Emerson said:
That is a future event.

False non answer

Brightfame52 · Saturday at 7:54 AM

zoidar said:
Hm, but is it not the resurrection that justifies us? I don't think the resurrection is just a sign of the victory over death, but the resurrection is needed for the victory to be fulfilled.

How did He destroy the devil who had the power of death according to Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

zoidar · Saturday at 10:09 AM

Brightfame52 said:
How did He destroy the devil who had the power of death according to Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

It says through Jesus' death...

... But Paul also says we are justified through the resurrection.

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