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Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

BNR32FAN

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You don't know the consequences of sin and how that changed everything?
Yeah I understand that why haven’t you answered my question yet? Why are you stalling? Just spill it, what is the significance of the sabbath being made before sin?
 
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No that’s not how hermeneutics works Deuteronomy 31 is clearly after Exodus 24 and not even at the same location. You really do not care what the Bible actually says do you? You're so concerned about keeping the sabbath that you don’t even care about being honest about what the Bible actually says.
Instead of words of insults why not just prove it with Scripture. Show me from Scripture that the book of the law that Moses wrote in Deut 31:24-26 is a different book of the law that Moses wrote in Exo24 that there are two books of the law besides the ark of the covenant. The Ten Commandments are spoken about in several chapters, doesn't mean they keep changing from one chapter to another.
 
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Yeah I understand that why haven’t you answered my question yet? Why are you stalling? Just spill it, what is the significance of the sabbath being made before sin?
There would be no point if you don't understand the difference between before sin and after sin. I would answer than three days later you will ask the same question or post the same scriptures claiming it was never addressed when it has been multiples times. There is a point one needs to move on and I think we are there.
 
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He did place the Ten Commandments into two commandments but He never required the 4th commandment of the Christian. No where in scripture does it teach that the Christian is required to keep the Jewish sabbath. If you have that verse then please post it.

The sabbath was given to Israel not to the gentiles. In fact the sabbath was only given to the Israelites and not even to their forefathers such as Abraham or Noah (Deut. 5:1-5). The church is not Israel and Israel is not the church therefore the Mosaic law including the 10 commandments were only given to Israel. Jesus repeated the commandments into His two love commandments because all of the law and the prophets hang in these two commandments. The church does not follow the letter of the law but we walk in the Spirit.

But as Paul so eloquently put it, no one can judge you for either keeping the sabbath or not (Col.2:6) so do as you think is right as long as you don’t judge the non sabbaterians or accuse us of sinning for not keeping the Jewish sabbath like some posting here do.

Please tell me where it is written "Jesus" never required Christians to keep the Sabbath. The word Christians wasn't even and use until decades after the resurrection of Christ.

And when Paul as you say so eloquently put it, the Sabbath he was talking of was the annual Sabbaths or holidays Sabbath, not The Seventh-Day Sabbath Paul himself kept The Seventh-Day Sabbath. As was Paul's custom He went into the synagogues on the 7th Day Sabbath, Acts 17:2 _ 16:13 _ 19:8 _ 13:14-16 & 42-44 _ 15:21_ 18:4-11.

You say the Sabbath is not given to the gentiles or the forefathers of the Israelites but given directly to the Israelites. You just completely ignore when God blessed Abraham and said directly to Abraham "Abraham KEPT HIS COMMANDMENTS AND HIS LAWS"__ What Commandments and Laws did Abraham keep?????? They were not written on stone tablets but only given to man !!!!! The Bible didn't list them until God actually wrote them on those stone tablets.
Genesis 26:5 because Abraham listened to My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:5 - God's Promise to Isaac

James said if you break one of the Ten Commandments you break them all. And it seems that people ignore that statement because they want to break Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - which is a commandment. Thus faith without works is dead.



Your understanding of Colossians 2:6 it's quite different -- the second chapter of Colossians is dealing with not following or being persuaded by the ideas of man - and it is man's idea that the 7th Day Sabbath has been abolished, that is not from God God never said abolish the 7th Sabbath.
Colossians 2:6 Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, Colossians 2:6 - Alive in Christ

Me, I go to Sabbath service sometimes / I identify as Baptist since childhood / I go mainly to Sunday service. But there are not many churches that hold services on a Saturday even in a city as big as this. One CHURCH use to hold evening Saturday services that I attended often as well as the Sunday service but after covid they stopped. So I would not be considered a sabbatarian. But I do try my best to remember the seventh day Sabbath and do my best to acknowledge how God ordained it to be, EVEN AT HOME.
 
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The 10 commandments of the OC Vs Christ in the New covenant.

It's either the law Or Christ. Galatians 4&5
Not according to Jesus. He said If you love Me keep My commandments, and tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. It was never either or according to Jesus- I mean we can't even have Jesus is we are worshipping other gods, so its an oxymoron to say its one or the other. He said why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say Luke6:46-49
 
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Not according to Jesus. He said If you love Me keep My commandments, and tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments. It was never either or according to Jesus- I mean we can't even have Jesus is we are worshipping other gods, so its an oxymoron to say its one or the other. He said why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say Luke6:46-49
So tell me do you love Jesus by keeping All His commandments? Do you keep All His commandments?
 
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Faith without works is dead but you cannot resurrect dead faith by works. If faith is dead, you are dead spiritually and have no ability to even repent let alone do godly works. Pasting sabbath keeping onto spiritual corps won't bring it to life. And worshiping on sunday will not condemn anyone who is in christ nor separate them from the love of God.

We should spend more time on point sinners to Christ than pointing them to the sabbath.

The church does spend time pointing out the sins of people - that is what the church do, that is what Christians do. And to eliminate or disregard the Commandment Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is not teaching what the word of God says. So either you teach it all are you leave it all alone. As it is written you cannot straddle the fence.

No one has said worshiping on a Sunday condemns anybody. Nor have I ever read anyone saying that people who worship on a Sunday are condemned - God is the judge.

And worship should be done daily.
 
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There would be no point if you don't understand the difference between before sin and after sin. I would answer than three days later you will ask the same question or post the same scriptures claiming it was never addressed when it has been multiples times. There is a point one needs to move on and I think we are there.
Lol what a cop out. You keep mentioning it and I’ve never asked you why you think it’s so significant. I’m betting it’s because I already posed a problem with your answer before you had a chance to give it when I mentioned green plants being commanded as food before sin so now you realize that this superficial idea that if God makes something before sin then it’s supposed to be for all time but that wasn’t actually the case tho with the green plants so now you don’t know what to say about it. Am I close, or are you just going to keep it a secret?
 
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The church does spend time pointing out the sins of people - that is what the church do, that is what Christians do. And to eliminate or disregard the Commandment Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is not teaching what the word of God says. So either you teach it all are you leave it all alone. As it is written you cannot straddle the fence.

No one has said worshiping on a Sunday condemns anybody. Nor have I ever read anyone saying that people who worship on a Sunday are condemned - God is the judge.

And worship should be done daily.
No the problem is that Colossians 2:16 makes it crystal clear that the sabbath was in fact abolished along with the rest of the appointed times hence “He disarmed the ruler’s & authorities” in verse 15 right before Paul tells us that we’re not to be judged in regard to the appointed times, festivals, new moons, and sabbath days. If the Saturday sabbath still remains then the rulers and authorities aren’t actually disarmed, now are they?
 
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The church does spend time pointing out the sins of people - that is what the church do, that is what Christians do. And to eliminate or disregard the Commandment Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy is not teaching what the word of God says. So either you teach it all are you leave it all alone. As it is written you cannot straddle the fence.

No one has said worshiping on a Sunday condemns anybody. Nor have I ever read anyone saying that people who worship on a Sunday are condemned - God is the judge.

And worship should be done daily.
You just did by implication in this post. Unless you believe what you say. If you do then don't get up on a high horse.
 
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Lol what a cop out. You keep mentioning it and I’ve never asked you why you think it’s so significant. I’m betting it’s because I already posed a problem with your answer before you had a chance to give it when I mentioned green plants being commanded as food before sin so now you realize that this superficial idea that if God makes something before sin then it’s supposed to be for all time but that wasn’t actually the case tho with the green plants so now you don’t know what to say about it. Am I close, or are you just going to keep it a secret?
Why do you think that poses a problem, maybe for you not for me, I doubt for God. If you don't understand the consequences of sin, nothing I am going to say is going to change anything.
 
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So tell me do you love Jesus by keeping All His commandments? Do you keep All His commandments?
See how you changed the argument. You said it was choose Jesus or the law- I showed you where Jesus never said its a choice, its both, What does what Jesus say have to do with only me, it applies to all of us.
 
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Why do you think what Moses may have copied down, that there is zero emphasis in the Scripture or even on reference and ignore what Scripture did emphasis, what God did. Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Exo32:16 Exo34:28 Strange. It still doesn't change the fact that Moses handwrote the ordinances that the Bible clearly spells out 2Chron33:8 the context of what Paul was speaking about, the Ten Commandments were never outside the ark of the Covenant of God according to Scripture but inside the ark Exo40:20 Exo25:16. It appears you would rather get rid of all Ten Commandments just so you don't have to keep one of them, the one God said joins ourselves to Him that He said was made for us Mark 2:28 not against us. I see your mind is made up so I guess this will have to be settled once He returns, at that time our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11
Exodus 24 happens before God had written on the stone tablets. That didn’t happen the first time until chapter 31 then technically it was Moses who wrote on the stone tablets the second time.
 
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Exodus 24 happens before God had written on the stone tablets. That didn’t happen the first time until chapter 31 then technically it was Moses who wrote on the stone tablets the second time.
Your words, not something you will find in Scripture. The bible is not written in chronological order, its based on repeat and enlarge.

The tablets that Moes broke- God re-wrote them not Moses. God wrote the Ten Commandments, not Moses. Why are you giving credit to man for God's works. Moses didn't and he was there- do you really know better than both God and Moses?


Deut 10:4 And He (God) wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Believe as you wish, but its right in our Bibles repeated over and over again.
 
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Why do you think that poses a problem, maybe for you not for me, I doubt for God. If you don't understand the consequences of sin, nothing I am going to say is going to change anything.
Right so after asking 4 times you still refuse to answer the question. You're the one who keeps mentioning that the sabbath was made before sin but you won’t even say why that is significant.
 
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I didn't Jesus did, He plainly taught when we lay aside the commandment of God- quoting from the Ten Commandments in place of man-made traditions, ones heart is far from Him and worship becomes in vain. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 This sounds serious to me, why I do not beleive Paul ever taught we do not have to keep the Sabbath commandment but instead can keep any day we want, what man esteems, mans traditions, not what comes with the power of God. Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:2 Eze20:12 Eze 20:20 Col2:8
No, you did. Jesus was referring to the pharisees who were ardent Sabbath keepers. They would be in agreement with your posts. They condemned Jesus for breaking the Sabbath on several occasions. This passage makes the point. Because Jesus did not observe the Sabbath the way the jewish leaders believed it should be observed they labeled him a law breaker much as you do to others in these threads.
 
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No, you did. Jesus was referring to the pharisees who were ardent Sabbath keepers. They would be in agreement with your posts. They condemned Jesus for breaking the Sabbath on several occasions. This passage makes the point. Because Jesus did not observe the Sabbath the way the jewish leaders believed it should be observed they labeled him a law breaker much as you do in these threads.
The example that was being used was washing hands before eating Mat 15:1-2 not the Sabbath. The Pharisees were not Sabbath keepers, they kept their sabbath, not the Sabbath of the LORD. Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Jesus was persecuted and killed because He never kept their sabbath. Sadly history is going to repeat itself over the Sunday law, God's people will be persecuted for obeying God's commandments, instead of obeying the commandments and principles of this world. Rev 12:17

They placed their man-made traditions over obedience to the commandments of God something Jesus condemned. Its trusting our own words or words of men over God's. God's words have power in them, ours have none.
 
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Your words, not something you will find in Scripture. The bible is not written in chronological order, it’s based on repeat and enlarge.
Well I’m pretty sure the word “then” in Hebrew means the same as I does in English. Are you aware that the word Deuteronomy actually means second law? Deuteros (second) Nomos (Law). And you still have the problem with them being in Moab in Deuteronomy 31 not at Mt Sinai like in Exodus 24. So you not only have two different times but you also have two different places and Joshua being commissioned because Moses is about to die. But you don’t really care about any of that, that’s not how cherry picking works.
 
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Right so after asking 4 times you still refuse to answer the question. You're the one who keeps mentioning that the sabbath was made before sin but you won’t even say why that is significant.
If you won't even acknowledge the difference between before sin and after sin, nothing that relates to it will matter.
 
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