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Kristi Noem Says US Citizens Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship

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"A valid ID card" and "proof of citizenship" are not the same thing.

That's why RealID doesn't prove citizenship even now, and up until now it wasn't even necessary to show even that much unless suspected of breaking a law (still isn't, according to the Supreme Court, but ICE clearly doesn't care about the court system).

It was never thought before that it would be necessary in the US even to prove identification, much less citizenship, simply upon demand.

Maybe not in the US of A.
 
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Because we are still a free people, who do not have to produce our papers on the demand of a government employee. Even the current SCOTUS says that absent evidence of a crime, Americans do not have to produce papers to police officers, certainly not to ICE troops.

It was never thought before that it would be necessary in the US even to prove identification, much less citizenship, simply upon demand.
Right. But we're living in evil times.

I do not think the police in the picture do it just to pass the time of day.
They are North Korean enforcers, who can do whatever they want to people. Noem envies them, but so far, the courts aren't supporting her.
 
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Because we are still a free people, who do not have to produce our papers on the demand of a government employee. Even the current SCOTUS says that absent evidence of a crime, Americans do not have to produce papers to police officers, certainly not to ICE troops.


Right. But we're living in evil times.


They are North Korean enforcers, who can do whatever they want to people. Noem envies them, but so far, the courts aren't supporting her.

You don`t get it, there are problems in your country, just reading this forum is proof.

Much because of sloppiness.

I don`care about US of A, blame yourselves.
 
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they are not speaking of EVERYONE - only those involved with an established target, that means they know who they are looking for.
They have demonstrated targeting incompetence and confused it with racial profiling.
 
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They have demonstrated targeting incompetence and confused it with racial profiling.
Hmmm incompetence:

They have the illegal aliens name and charges. The local pd releases them instead of holding them, so they have to goctoctheirclast known residence.

Their vehicles are blocked in and mobbed, they have frozen bottles of water, rocks fireworks etc thrown at them. They are surrounded by people with bull horn whistles and screaming.

And there are some who think the issue is incompetence
 
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Hmmm incompetence:

They have the illegal aliens name and charges. The local pd releases them instead of holding them, so they have to goctoctheirclast known residence.

Their vehicles are blocked in and mobbed, they have frozen bottles of water, rocks fireworks etc thrown at them. They are surrounded by people with bull horn whistles and screaming.

And there are some who think the issue is incompetence
None of that justifies racial profiling and arresting those with legal status.
 
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None of that justifies racial profiling and arresting those with legal status.
LOL - the twelve million or so who came in illegally - let's take a look at their race breakdown shall we? How many Caucasians, Orientals or native Americans are represented? Racial profiling -

Thank you AI:

Top countries of origin — FY2021​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO655,59437.8%
GUATEMALA279,95516.1%
HONDURAS188,67910.9%
EL SALVADOR96,9295.6%
OTHER93,5855.4%
NICARAGUA50,7262.9%
CUBA38,6742.2%
HAITI37,0212.1%
ECUADOR36,8412.1%
BRAZIL33,0431.9%

Top countries of origin — FY2022​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO808,33934.0%
GUATEMALA340,30914.3%
HONDURAS243,90810.3%
EL SALVADOR164,4776.9%
CUBA127,9215.4%
NICARAGUA109,2394.6%
OTHER92,4533.9%
COLOMBIA91,5293.8%
VENEZUELA65,3402.7%
HAITI64,2142.7%

Top countries of origin — FY2023​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO717,33329.0%
OTHER355,79314.4%
VENEZUELA265,14310.7%
GUATEMALA252,47110.2%
CUBA220,5288.9%
HONDURAS189,5627.7%
NICARAGUA139,5765.6%
HAITI78,8383.2%
COLOMBIA58,7822.4%
EL SALVADOR48,6102.0%

Top countries of origin — FY2024​


Citizenship
EncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO653,68430.6%
VENEZUELA261,04512.2%
GUATEMALA204,2529.6%
CUBA150,9957.1%
OTHER144,6246.8%
HONDURAS120,2865.6%
NICARAGUA100,7234.7%
COLOMBIA87,3824.1%
EL SALVADOR69,7573.3%
HAITI56,6472.7%
 
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LOL - the twelve million or so who came in illegally - let's take a look at their race breakdown shall we? How many Caucasians, Orientals or native Americans are represented? Racial profiling -

Thank you AI:

Top countries of origin — FY2021​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO655,59437.8%
GUATEMALA279,95516.1%
HONDURAS188,67910.9%
EL SALVADOR96,9295.6%
OTHER93,5855.4%
NICARAGUA50,7262.9%
CUBA38,6742.2%
HAITI37,0212.1%
ECUADOR36,8412.1%
BRAZIL33,0431.9%

Top countries of origin — FY2022​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO808,33934.0%
GUATEMALA340,30914.3%
HONDURAS243,90810.3%
EL SALVADOR164,4776.9%
CUBA127,9215.4%
NICARAGUA109,2394.6%
OTHER92,4533.9%
COLOMBIA91,5293.8%
VENEZUELA65,3402.7%
HAITI64,2142.7%

Top countries of origin — FY2023​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO717,33329.0%
OTHER355,79314.4%
VENEZUELA265,14310.7%
GUATEMALA252,47110.2%
CUBA220,5288.9%
HONDURAS189,5627.7%
NICARAGUA139,5765.6%
HAITI78,8383.2%
COLOMBIA58,7822.4%
EL SALVADOR48,6102.0%

Top countries of origin — FY2024​


Citizenship
EncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO653,68430.6%
VENEZUELA261,04512.2%
GUATEMALA204,2529.6%
CUBA150,9957.1%
OTHER144,6246.8%
HONDURAS120,2865.6%
NICARAGUA100,7234.7%
COLOMBIA87,3824.1%
EL SALVADOR69,7573.3%
HAITI56,6472.7%

Now do visa overstays.
 
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LOL - the twelve million or so who came in illegally - let's take a look at their race breakdown shall we? How many Caucasians, Orientals or native Americans are represented?
"Caucasians"? "Orientals"? Seriously?
Racial profiling -

Thank you AI:

Top countries of origin — FY2021​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO655,59437.8%
GUATEMALA279,95516.1%
HONDURAS188,67910.9%
EL SALVADOR96,9295.6%
OTHER93,5855.4%
NICARAGUA50,7262.9%
CUBA38,6742.2%
HAITI37,0212.1%
ECUADOR36,8412.1%
BRAZIL33,0431.9%

Top countries of origin — FY2022​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO808,33934.0%
GUATEMALA340,30914.3%
HONDURAS243,90810.3%
EL SALVADOR164,4776.9%
CUBA127,9215.4%
NICARAGUA109,2394.6%
OTHER92,4533.9%
COLOMBIA91,5293.8%
VENEZUELA65,3402.7%
HAITI64,2142.7%

Top countries of origin — FY2023​

CitizenshipEncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO717,33329.0%
OTHER355,79314.4%
VENEZUELA265,14310.7%
GUATEMALA252,47110.2%
CUBA220,5288.9%
HONDURAS189,5627.7%
NICARAGUA139,5765.6%
HAITI78,8383.2%
COLOMBIA58,7822.4%
EL SALVADOR48,6102.0%

Top countries of origin — FY2024​


Citizenship
EncountersShare of FY total
MEXICO653,68430.6%
VENEZUELA261,04512.2%
GUATEMALA204,2529.6%
CUBA150,9957.1%
OTHER144,6246.8%
HONDURAS120,2865.6%
NICARAGUA100,7234.7%
COLOMBIA87,3824.1%
EL SALVADOR69,7573.3%
HAITI56,6472.7%
1. Those aren't listed by "race" but by citizenship.
2. These are "encounters", not removals. I suspect this is mostly border operations and has little to nothing to do with interior detentions. (You know, the subject of the thread.)
 
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LOL - the twelve million or so who came in illegally - let's take a look at their race breakdown shall we? How many Caucasians, Orientals or native Americans are represented? Racial profiling
Considering that even three years ago, about 12% of illegal aliens in America were from Asia, it's odd that someone deleted them from your numbers. Or maybe it's completely understandable, given the racial preferences of this administration.
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Or maybe they just haven't upgraded their skin color charts. One of those things. Meantime, American citizens who don't match the color chart are still being harassed and illegally detained by masked paramilitary units.

"Caucasians"? "Orientals"? Seriously?
Yeah, well, you know...
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it's odd that someone deleted them from your numbers.
The numbers are border contacts. But many (particularly from Asia) fly in on a visa and overstay, rather than a land crossing.
 
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"Caucasians"? "Orientals"? Seriously?

1. Those aren't listed by "race" but by citizenship.
2. These are "encounters", not removals. I suspect this is mostly border operations and has little to nothing to do with interior detentions. (You know, the subject of the thread.)

Also they changed how they count encounters. It's a combination of two stats that were separate before. See the more info section here:

 
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The numbers are border contacts. But many (particularly from Asia) fly in on a visa and overstay, rather than a land crossing.
And that is increasingly, the way illegal immigrants arrive. They arrive on visitor status and never leave.
 
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Also they changed how they count encounters. It's a combination of two stats that were separate before. See the more info section here:
Figures don't lie. But liars often figure.
 
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