The 800 pound gorilla in the room - Epstein files never explored

RocksInMyHead said:

You [Republicans] had the opportunity to pick someone else before he ever faced off against a Democrat.

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But what “choice” were they actually given?

Pommer said:

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But what “choice” were they actually given?

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Nikki Haley would have been a fine and reasonable choice and could have even gotten my vote over Harris in the ‘24 election but Republicans didn’t want fine or reasonable.

They overwhelmingly wanted this mess we have now.

Pommer said:

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But what “choice” were they actually given?

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Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Asa Hutchinson and Vivek Ramaswamy all participated in the 2024 primaries alongside Trump. There's an even longer list of people who threw their hats in to campaign.

Always in His Presence said:

Thanks for your opinion - seems to be bereave of facts -

"seems to be" is not proof of anything

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Since I don't have proof (and no one in the public) all we can do is assess the nature of the revelations from the files. At least one correspondent of Epstein's commented about a recently attended event as if it was so wild as to be illegal. Given what we *know* about his abuse and trafficing of teen girls and young women, we can infer, but not know the nature of what was going on. More information is needed. Is the Bondi DOJ holding that info from us? Could they make charges? I have no idea as I am not a lawyer nor sufficiently informed even if I was one.

Always in His Presence said:

The OP very clearly states my cares and concern regarding the case and the Biden Administration did NOTHING for four years making no progress whatsoever - ignoring all these victims, which does not seem to bother you at all. Instead we just get more of a personal attack and deflect mode. sigh....

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Your whole OP reads as if it is nothing but a political attack on Biden. If you want accountability there is a lot more we need to know and we need to start about 20 years ago in Miami when accusations were known to be filed with local and federal investigators.

Always in His Presence said:

Because there is nothing there - that is what makes it a hoax and that is why the 800 pound gorilla is in the room

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I don't know how you can say there is "nothing there" in the files.

RocksInMyHead said:

Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Asa Hutchinson and Vivek Ramaswamy all participated in the 2024 primaries alongside Trump. There's an even longer list of people who threw their hats in to campaign.

2024 Republican Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

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I thought John Kasich was a decent candidate in the 2016 primaries. But he didn't have the "star power" (or the loud mouth) of a reality TV star. And he was far too reasonable for today's political climate.

Even though I wish the Democrats would have had a primary in 2024, I still thought Harris was a decent candidate as well. I didn't like some of her ideas (on housing, in particular), but there would have been a Republican congress to keep her in check. (Or to just cause gridlock... but its still better than the current predicament.)

What on earth made anyone think that handing the reigns to Trump with a spineless Republican congress would result in a favorable outcome is beyond me. If there are different parties in control of the presidency and congress at least they can balance each other out and limit the damage. Whenever one party is in power, to me it seems like more harm comes of it than good. (As of late, at least).

This administration is a real gem, though. Trump sure knows how to pick 'em. When your selection criteria is not based on actual credentials, but instead is based on the question "Will you be loyal to me and heap praise on me no matter what?", the result is what we see right now. Willy-nilly tariffs that will "stimulate job growth", upside-down and inexplicably rearranged food pyramids, illogical changes to vaccine recommendations which are meant to appease populists, and just overall behavior that promotes chaos. Lots of fun.

MarkSB said:

I thought John Kasich was a decent candidate in the 2016 primaries. But he didn't have the "star power" (or the loud mouth) of a reality TV star. And he was far too reasonable for today's political climate.

Even though I wish the Democrats would have had a primary in 2024, I still thought Harris was a decent candidate as well. I didn't like some of her ideas (on housing, in particular), but there would have been a Republican congress to keep her in check. (Or to just cause gridlock... but its still better than the current predicament.)

What on earth made anyone think that handing the reigns to Trump with a spineless Republican congress would result in a favorable outcome is beyond me. If there are different parties in control of the presidency and congress at least they can balance each other out and limit the damage. Whenever one party is in power, to me it seems like more harm comes of it than good. (As of late, at least).

This administration is a real gem, though. Trump sure knows how to pick 'em. When your selection criteria is not based on actual credentials, but instead is based on the question "Will you be loyal to me and heap praise on me no matter what?", the result is what we see right now. Willy-nilly tariffs that will "stimulate job growth", upside-down and inexplicably rearranged food pyramids, illogical changes to vaccine recommendations which are meant to appease populists, and just overall behavior that promotes chaos. Lots of fun.

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Also, a bonus if they’re kinda hot or very rich.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Also, a bonus if they’re kinda hot or very rich.

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Right. And hot in a Fox News kind of way.

Our local Fox station is staffed by a decent number of women who have a similar look. My wife pointed it out one day. It's difficult not to think about that creepy factor now whenever I see that newscast (which isn't often).

I mean I don't know if they intentionally selected their news staff that way, but it is a little odd.

Have Democrats always been interested in Epstein case transparency? We looked back.




During the last presidency, "neither of those guys said a word about it," Johnson said of Massie and Khanna on July 24 on CBS.


Trump made a similar argument that Democrats could have acted before he took office in January.

Democrats controlled the files for four years, Trump said, "So if they had something, they would've released it before the election."

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Democratic lawmakers began to seek records about Epstein after the Miami Herald’s late 2018 investigation into the case.

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Starting in 2019, but before Epstein’s arrest that year on federal sex trafficking charges, some Democratic lawmakers including Rep. Lois Frankel and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, both of south Florida, launched a yearslong quest to release Epstein records.


The Democrats called for former U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta, who served as labor secretary during Trump’s first term, to testify about Epstein’s plea deal. They asked the Justice Department to investigate and release records. Democrats later pursued other strategies, including asking a Palm Beach, Florida, judge to release records.


"A full accounting for these heinous crimes is lacking," Wasserman Schultz told PolitiFact in an Aug. 1 written statement. "Those prospects changed when Republicans momentarily joined the call for full disclosure."

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Democrats tried other tactics to obtain records, such as requesting them from a Palm Beach judge — a strategy spearheaded by the Palm Beach Post that can take years to succeed.

Some records emerged from civil lawsuits and the federal prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell, who was convicted for her role in a scheme with Epstein to sexually exploit and abuse multiple minor girls.

When Maxwell was charged in 2020, Democrats continued to push for transparency.

Frankel told PolitiFact in an Aug. 1 interview that the House oversight committee wanted to hold a hearing at which they would hear from Epstein victims, their lawyers and prosecutors. They wanted to subpoena the prosecutors to ask them under oath "why they gave this guy a slap on the wrist, who pressured them?" Frankel said.

However, "We were told by the Justice Department to cut it off" because it could compromise the Maxwell investigation, Frankel told PolitiFact.

Always in His Presence said:

And that is where debate ends -

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OK, there Mr. Partisan-attack-guy.

Always in His Presence said:

And that is where debate ends -

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Riiight. Just like all those 2020 election cheating claims.