The origin of the Left and Right in politics.

PloverWing · Jan 29, 2026

stevevw said:
I thought the church was built on these values. The bible actually teaches this. To help the poor and widows.

But I don't think thats a uniquely Left thing. This is a fundemental value of all Christians. The early church would have been very conservative and protective of the Christian community.

Well, yes, which is why it baffles me when people talk about the Left being opposed to Christianity and the church.

When we talk about the political Left in particular, we start talking about the ways in which government power and resources can be used to protect the poor and the marginalized, and this is something about which reasonable people can disagree. Maybe laws and government programs are a good strategy, or maybe not, and maybe some government actions are better than others -- that's something we can talk about. But the basic idea of caring for the poor and the marginalized is not contrary to Christianity.

com7fy8 · Jan 29, 2026

stevevw said:
But communuism or Marxism may be in principles a good system. Or subscribe to moral goods such as equality for all. But its how they achieve this.

stevevw said:
Indigenous peoples will usually be more collective and even putting others before themselves. This is similar to Christian ideals.

Family culture . . . can have all things common and have equality. And it can be how it works because there is love in the family way. And Biblical Christianity is a family way of love. So, we have God being called our Father and His Son and the Holy Spirit who mothers the church. And 1 Timothy 3:1-10 shows that a leader needs to be a family man with experience at home with ruling . . . I understand, so he can rule God's children in our Heavenly Father's family caring and sharing way.

So, I would say the theory of communism falls off from this, by maybe concentrating more on how materials are distributed, and more on individual ability for the good of the "whole", but perhaps not having family relating in it. And communism, of course, leaves God out.

When . . . in fact, already we have God's family way established. "All" one needs to do, then, is join.

stevevw · Jan 30, 2026

com7fy8 said:
Family culture . . . can have all things common and have equality. And it can be how it works because there is love in the family way. And Biblical Christianity is a family way of love. So, we have God being called our Father and His Son and the Holy Spirit who mothers the church. And 1 Timothy 3:1-10 shows that a leader needs to be a family man with experience at home with ruling . . . I understand, so he can rule God's children in our Heavenly Father's family caring and sharing way.

So, I would say the theory of communism falls off from this, by maybe concentrating more on how materials are distributed, and more on individual ability for the good of the "whole", but perhaps not having family relating in it. And communism, of course, leaves God out.

When . . . in fact, already we have God's family way established. "All" one needs to do, then, is join.

I was just think when you mentioned the family and the leader needs to be a family man. God made the father to be the leader of the family and by extension the tribe and nation.

But communism denies the insitution of the family and certainly the authority of the father.

A father should be able to lead his family and tribe to follow what is good and right by Gods laws and order and nothing else. That is his responsibility as a man.

But communism denies this. Not just communism but modern forms of Maxism or Wokism which and feminism.

So in some ways the family is just as important as the church as an institution in the world.

Jerry N. · Jan 30, 2026

The actual divide is between those who see God as the ultimate moral authority and those who see man as the ultimate authority. The video is somewhat over simplified, but it is not far off. However, the division goes all the way back to Babylon or further. When the Roman Church strayed from the teachings of Christ, they tried to make themselves the moral authority. The Roman Church and many other denominations strayed, but modern Communism and Globalists are clear in their demands to submit to them over God and His word. It is no different from those who deny God and make themselves their own little gods to dictate their morals on an individual level. The “right” and “left” division might be a simplified way of looking at it. However, I have known left wing people who had no intention of imposing their moral standard on me, and I have known right wing people, who claim to believe in God, who have imposed their personal moral standard on me without deference to Christ. It all comes down to making human authority above divine authority.

BPPLEE · Jan 30, 2026

Maria Billingsley said:
Lit's getbthi

Lets gets this straight. Clearly this video is trying to paint the " Left" in a light that is not the least bit accurate. Right from the beginning, where he expains the birth of right and left , he needs some clarification. It's true history is explained below.

I would certainly be sitting on the left!

During the French Revolution, the "Right" side of the National Assembly represented a powerful solidarity between the Monarchy and the Roman Catholic Church, both of which sought to maintain the traditional "Divine Right" of kings and the state-sanctioned authority of the clergy. In sharp contrast, the "Left" became the home of the Huguenots and other Protestants who had long suffered under religious persecution, alongside secular thinkers who championed the separation of church and state. This group believed that true liberty could only be achieved by breaking the monopolistic grip of the Crown and the Church.

And look how much things have changed

stevevw · Friday at 8:54 AM

Jerry N. said:
The actual divide is between those who see God as the ultimate moral authority and those who see man as the ultimate authority. The video is somewhat over simplified, but it is not far off. However, the division goes all the way back to Babylon or further. When the Roman Church strayed from the teachings of Christ, they tried to make themselves the moral authority. The Roman Church and many other denominations strayed, but modern Communism and Globalists are clear in their demands to submit to them over God and His word. It is no different from those who deny God and make themselves their own little gods to dictate their morals on an individual level. The “right” and “left” division might be a simplified way of looking at it. However, I have known left wing people who had no intention of imposing their moral standard on me, and I have known right wing people, who claim to believe in God, who have imposed their personal moral standard on me without deference to Christ. It all comes down to making human authority above divine authority.

I agree, I think ultimately it is about who is the moral authority. I think this traces back to the original deception about who had authority in the garden.

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The origin of the Left and Right in politics.

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