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Another look at the moon landing.
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We have the underworld, confirmed.
We have the earth, confirmed.
We have the firmament/Heavens, confirmed.
Even the third heaven is confirmed in the Bible by Paul.
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Yep. But not confirmed as a permanent part under the earth.
Yep. Confirmed spherical by observation.
Yep but not solid. That has been fully proven.
That’s an artist rendition and not a true representation of the earth.
Yep. But the location is not specified in scripture.
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No, it isn't.
If it were, no one would believe God or the Bible - because people have studied, measured and photographed the earth.
If it were then, as I've said before, scientists would have to say "well we don't believe in God but we have to admit that the earth is how Genesis, and other books, describe it."
Then WE would say, "there you are. We told you the Bible is reliable and you have just proved it for yourselves."
In fact, what happens is that a small group of people say that the earth is flat and scientists say "come back when you know what you are talking about." If any of that small group happened to be Christians, scientists would most probably say, "there you are; the Bible can't be trusted."
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But where does the bible say that hell/hades/sheol is part of the earth? (The word "underworld" does not occur either in the KJV or the NKJV).
Again, the heavens are not part of the earth. If they were the bible would not start by saying that in the beginning God created the heavens AND the earth.
Not as part of the earth.
“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.” (2Co 12:2 NKJV)
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I don't have to think what God's word is, I know what it is, I can read.
Dr. John Walton (a none flat earther) describes the necessity of reading the Scriptures in the context of what the authors believed to be true, not what we do.
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No, I'm taking it up with you.
You are the one who is misinterpreting God's word - paying no attention to context, the genre of witing used, the culture and knowledge of the time or what those who heard the Scriptures would have understood by them. You seem to think that this is the only way to interpret the Scriptures, even though some of us have explained otherwise, and you also apply certain Scriptures literally.
God did not tell us what shape he created the world. The Bible doesn't tell us and God doesn't need us to know this for salvation. Scientists have been made by, and in the image of, the master scientist, have studied and discovered many things about it. This is not wrong, it is the gift that God gave them.
You dismiss them all as liars, evil or freemasons - even the Christian ones.
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They do so through a sensor converting infrared radiation into electric current and calculating the temperature from that, along with the emissivity of the surface (reflective surfaces give really inaccurate results)
Search for how infrared thermometers work
Infrared thermometers cannot give the temperature of open air. They can only give surface temperatures.
Point an infrared thermometer at the moon and the moon light will only reach a small part of the sensor while the rest of the sensor is detecting open air, which infrared thermometers cannot read. So the average temp given by the sensor is well below what the moon temperature is.
Yes, consistent with the earth being a globe, orbiting the sun while itself being orbited by the moon.
Not true. The current North star is different to the star the ancients considered the North star.
The Bible doesn't describe the shape of the earth. Every physical proof you have offered for the flat earth has been debunked and yet you have not been able to respond to the physical proofs of the globe earth that you have been given. All you are able to fall back on is your deeply flawed interpretation of Scripture.
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How is it different ?
The Great Pyramid of Giza and several other Old Kingdom Egyptian pyramids are aligned with remarkable precision to true north.
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I provided a link to an article in th post you just quoted
Read the link
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On a globe if you go down there is only the mantle & if you go up, well, you've just got chaos.
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