Sabbath Keeping and The Gospel

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

Hentenza said:
Because “today” can be any day.

It doesn't say today is the Sabbath. Today, we can make the decision not to rebel against God. That's what its saying plainly.

What Hebrews is quoting verbatim

Psa95:7Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Which we see plainly what they did, the same arguments people make today to do Eze20:13 Eze20:15-16 even through we are warned not to Heb4:6 Heb4:11

God already spoke on the matter of when the Sabbath day, is my faith is in Him- He warns of us adding to His words. We have free will though, its doing exactly what the passage is warning about- today if we hear His voice, do not harden our hearts to rebellion, which is sin, unbelief and disobedience to God. Heb3:7-19 Psa 95:7-13

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

He could not have been clearer on this had He wrote it out Himself and He did. Exo31:18 Man doesn't correct God, He corrects us, if one allows Him to.

Pro3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [b]direct your paths.

pasifika · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you please post one verse that says the Sabbath is every day?

The Lord of the Sabbath said plainly when the Sabbath day is

Exo20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The God who made everything used the seventh day and the Sabbath day as interchangeable

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Not once in all of Scripture did God ever take this back.

The Sabbath-rest is according to the commandment in the NT Luke23:56

Because there is no one who can correct God and He makes no mistakes. Psa19:7 Rom7:12

That's right the letter of law calls for death if we break God's laws even in the NT Rom6:23 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7

If we are submitting to the Spirit through Christ and abiding in Him, He enables His NC believers to keep the laws that He wrote in the hearts and minds of His NC believers John14:15-18 John15:4-10 Heb8:10 sadly many never enter through faith because they have harden their hearts Heb3:7-19 and won't subject themselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8

Rom 14:5, Heb 3 &4

Sure the 7th day Sabbath belongs to God, it's the day He rested from His work.

How about mankind, when is our Sabbath day? Is it the same as God? Are we doing the same work as God did?

You can show me if God gave the 7th day Sabbath for mankind as a day of Rest. Mark2:27?

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

pasifika said:
Rom 14:5, Heb 3 &4

Sure the 7th day Sabbath belongs to God, it's the day He rested from His work.

How about mankind, when is our Sabbath day? Is it the same as God? Are we doing the same work as God did?

God made man in His image to follow Him, not be rebellious and do something different.

pasifika said:
You can show me if God gave the 7th day Sabbath for mankind as a day of Rest. Mark2:27?

God never gave Himself the 4th commandment. Jesus never turned into a day or a commandment. There is no point of being Lord of something if it no longer exists. Jesus is the authority and Creator of the Sabbath day, not the destroyer, and plainly said who He made it for and why Mark2:27 Isa56:2 Eze20:12 Mark2:27 Isa56:6 Isa 58:13 but like anything we can choose to listen to someone else instead. Its the same story in the Bible repeating itself, nothing new

Exo20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates (Gentiles). 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

So instead of finding Scripture to address what you claimed you just went on to a different argument. My guess that's the pattern that will continue.

I will leave it as agree to disagree God will sort this out in His time.

Be well.

pasifika · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
It doesn't say today is the Sabbath. Today, we can make the decision not to rebel against God. That's what its saying plainly.

What Hebrews is quoting verbatim

Psa95:7Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Which we see plainly what they did, the same arguments people make today to do Eze20:13 Eze20:15-16 even through we are warned not to Heb4:6 Heb4:11

God already spoke on the matter of when the Sabbath day, is my faith is in Him- He warns of us adding to His words. We have free will though, its doing exactly what the passage is warning about- today if we hear His voice, do not harden our hearts to rebellion, which is sin, unbelief and disobedience to God. Heb3:7-19 Psa 95:7-13

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

He could not have been clearer on this had He wrote it out Himself and He did. Exo31:18 Man doesn't correct God, He corrects us, if one allows Him to.

Pro3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall [b]direct your paths.

"Today" is another day of Rest..Heb 4:7,8

This is what God said regarding the 7th day "they shall never enter my Rest" Heb 4:5

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

pasifika said:
"Today" is another day of Rest..Heb 4:7,8

This is what God said regarding the 7th day "they shall never enter my Rest" Heb 4:5

There is no Scripture that says today is "another day of rest" not without removing what God said when the Sabbath is Exo20:10 and removing what it says today is for and adding text from elsewhere, but that sounds like what we were warned about... Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Mat5:18-19 Rev22:18-19 which in doing so we can literally copy and paste the Bible to say anything we want and in that case no need for the Bible anymore because its just the word of man that has no power in their words like God does Psa33:6-9.

Can you show me where is says today is another day of rest, this is what Paul is quoting in David verbatim.

Hebrews 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Psa95:7Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Hebrews 4 is mainly quoting OT- if we do not know these references on what the author is quoting, we will never understand the true meaning of this passage written 30 years after Jesus ratified His covenant. A covenant is ratified by blood, nothing can be added without blood but Jesus promised His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10 So no changes 30+ years later.

Hentenza · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
It doesn't say today is the Sabbath.

Because He again makes a certain day. Not the sabbath but a certain day for rest that is any day of the week.

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

Hentenza said:
Because He again makes a certain day. Not the sabbath but a certain day for rest that is any day of the week.

So it went from "today" to now "a certain day" but the Scripture says the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56. While you are free to beleive as you wish, I am sticking with when God said is the Sabbath- He both spoke it and wrote it Heb4:4 Exo20:10-11 because there is no one greater than God in my view. The rest in Christ we enter through faith Heb4:2, those who enter also rest from their works Heb4:10 on the seventh day as God did from His Heb4:4. It was never either or for the people of God, its both. We need rest in Christ and rest from our work and labors on the seventh day so we can keep the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8 resting in Christ. Isa 58:13 Heb4:10

I am OK agreeing to disagree, God will sort it all out in His time.

Hentenza · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
So it went from "today" to now "a certain day"

Which is today. Today can be any day of the week. If I say today on Sunday then it is Sunday and if I say today on Monday then it is Monday, etc.

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

Hentenza said:
Which is today. Today can be any day of the week. If I say today on Sunday then it is Sunday and if I say today on Monday then it is Monday, etc.

You keep using your words as if they are Gods and sadly ignoring what He stated so plainly Exo20:10 Heb4:4 Luk23:56 but feel free to carry on...

Mercy Shown · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
I am not sure if realized what you just did.... again. I quoted Jesus where He plainly taught when we keep man-made traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments, this practice makes the word of God of no value makes our worship to Him in vain and your come back was to use Paul as a way to countermand what Jesus taught in this exact scenario. Its these type of teachings I beleive why we have this very serious warning 2Peter3:16

Respectfully, framing this as “using Paul to override Jesus” creates a false choice. The same Lord who spoke in Matthew 15 is the One who personally commissioned Paul (Acts 9). The apostles are not in tension; they are explaining the implications of Christ’s completed work. Suggesting that appealing to Paul is somehow diminishing Jesus unintentionally elevates one portion of inspired Scripture over another.

It also matters that Jesus’ earthly ministry occurred under the Mosaic covenant (Gal. 4:4). The New Covenant had not yet been inaugurated through His death and resurrection. There were truths He deliberately withheld until after the cross (John 16:12–13). The apostles were then entrusted with explaining what His fulfillment of the Law meant for the church — especially in a mixed Jew-Gentile context. That is not countermanding Jesus; it is applying His finished work in its covenantal context.

The repeated move to label a different reading as “man-made tradition” assumes what it needs to prove. The issue is not whether God’s commandments matter. The issue is how they function after fulfillment. When Sabbath observance (or any single command) becomes the dividing line between true worship and “vain” worship, the center subtly shifts from Christ’s righteousness to covenant performance. That is precisely the kind of shift Paul warns about in Galatians and Romans.

We should be very careful before invoking Matthew 15 against fellow believers who are seeking to understand how the New Covenant relates to the Old. Jesus rebuked people for nullifying God’s commands with human loopholes — not for wrestling with how His own redemptive work reshapes covenant obligations. Those are not the same category.

If we’re going to warn about 2 Peter 3:16, we should apply it evenly: it cautions against distorting Paul, not against reading him. The question isn’t whether God’s Word is serious — we agree it is. The question is whether Christ’s fulfillment changes how certain commands function. That deserves argument from the whole counsel of Scripture, not the suggestion that disagreement equals rebellion.

SabbathBlessings said:
Romans 14 doesn't mention the word the Sabbath and it about doubtful disputations what man esteems not the written Testimony of the God of the entire Universe Exo31:18 that Jesus, who is God, did not come to destroy Mat5:17 but to magnify Isa 42:21- place them in our hearts and minds Heb8:10. When did Paul teach to obey him over God?

Col2:16 is not about the seventh day Sabbath, its about the handwriting of ordinances Col2:14KJV that are contrary and against. Moses wrote the handwriting of ordinances 2Chron33:8 that contained the annual sabbaths and feasts days connected to animal sacrifices that the Bible clearly says are the shadows laws and explain why Heb10:1-15 why they were placed besides the ark as a witness against thee Deut31:24-31 not the TEN COMMANDMENTS written by the Holy Spirit of Truth Exo31:18 that is perfect Psa19:7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 that GOD, the Creator who spoke and said the Sabbath was made FOR man, not against man. Mark2:27-28 God said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 because who could correct the Holy Spirit of Truth? Certainly not Paul, nor would Paul want to, he himself claimed to be His servant, not corrector Rom1:1 He taught what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1Cor7:19 not lay aside the one commandment God blessed and made holy and instead keep whatever day you want. This is a very sad interpretation that not even Paul did in action or can be duplicated by the words of Jesus Christ our Savior. He taught His Sabbath was not nailed to His Cross Mat24:20 Isa66:22-23.

I think the core issue here is not whether God’s commandments are holy — we both agree they are (Rom. 7:12). The question is how they function after Christ fulfills the Law and inaugurates the New Covenant. Simply saying “Romans 14 doesn’t use the word Sabbath” does not settle the matter. Romans 14 discusses disputes over food and days in a mixed Jewish–Gentile church. In Paul’s world, the primary “day” controversy between Jews and Gentiles was Sabbath observance. If Paul believed the seventh-day Sabbath remained binding in the same covenantal way as at Sinai, it would be extraordinary for him to say, “Let each be fully convinced in his own mind,” without correction. That is not how apostles speak about binding moral absolutes like adultery or idolatry.

Regarding Colossians 2, the distinction between the “handwriting of ordinances” and the Ten Commandments is not as clean as is often claimed. Paul explicitly includes “festival, new moon, or Sabbath days” (Col. 2:16). That triad is a standard Old Testament way of referring to the entire Jewish calendar system (cf. 1 Chr. 23:31; 2 Chr. 2:4; Ezek. 45:17). Paul calls them “a shadow of things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” He does not carve out the weekly Sabbath as exempt from that category. Nor does he say, “Continue observing the seventh day, but not the annual Sabbaths.” Instead, he warns against being judged over them.

Appealing to Matthew 5:17–19 must also be done carefully. Jesus fulfilled the Law — and fulfillment does not mean simple continuation in unchanged form. The same chapter intensifies commandments beyond their letter (“You have heard… but I say to you”), demonstrating that fulfillment transforms how the Law functions. Hebrews 8 explicitly says the New Covenant is “not like” the covenant made at Sinai. Writing the law on the heart (Heb. 8:10) is tied to full forgiveness and Christ’s priestly mediation, not to reinstating the Sinai covenant structure.

No one is claiming Paul corrected God. The question is whether Christ’s redemptive work brought covenantal transition. Paul himself says circumcision — unquestionably commanded by God — now counts for nothing (Gal. 5:6; 6:15). That alone proves that a command once given by God can cease to function covenantally without God’s character changing. So the real debate is not over whether God’s Word is perfect, but whether the Mosaic covenant remains administratively binding after Christ.

Finally, 1 Corinthians 7:19 must be read in context: in the same breath Paul says circumcision is nothing. Therefore “keeping the commandments of God” cannot mean strict adherence to the Mosaic code as such; it refers to obedience flowing from life in Christ (cf. Gal. 6:2, “the law of Christ”). The New Testament consistently places justification and covenant membership in union with Christ — not in calendar observance.

This is not about diminishing the Sabbath or exalting Paul over Jesus. It is about recognizing redemptive history. The apostles teach that the shadow gives way to the substance. If we make Sabbath observance the dividing line of faithfulness under the New Covenant, we risk placing believers back under a covenant administration that Hebrews explicitly says has become obsolete (Heb. 8:13). That is the real issue at stake.

SabbathBlessings said:
These are your words- God said those who want to join themselves to the LORD, who love and serve Him who keep His Sabbath and tells us to HOLDFAST His covenant Isa 56:6 not to replace man-made traditions over the commandment of God. Can you tell me where GOD who wrote His Testimony not Paul told us we can profane the 4th commandment, anywhere in Scripture and instead now commanded us to keep the first day holy? Jesus taught, not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 laying aside the commandment of God for mans traditions we make the word of God of no value. God never treated the 4th commandment any different than the other 9 commandments- they all came with the same penalty Rom6:23 and unless we have a conversion in Christ where we change our mind about sin and turn to Jesus who taught if you love Me, keep My commandments- it was Christ who spoke them personally Exo20:1 Exo20:6. God has never been partial with people nor is He will with His laws. James2:8-11 Malachi 2:9 God does not change- He said this Himself. It really comes down to whose words are we going to believe- this is what Jesus taught

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

He never taught that His apostles would come along and undo everything He taught. Paul came with a serious/salvation warning of misunderstanding him, if we can't duplicate our understanding of his writings with Jesus and is actually teaching against what Jesus taught I think we need to take the warning more serious.

If there is no clear statement from God reversing what He sanctified (Gen 2:3) and commanded (Exo 20:8–11), then appealing to man’s reasoning cannot override divine speech.

That’s the consistent biblical standard:
God’s word governs man — not the other way around.

The word of God has never been left to the hearts of man. Pro14:12 Jer17:9. You see no difference between obeying one of God's commandments that comes with the power of the blessings and sanctification from the God who spoke just with His voice and made it so Psa 33:6-9 compared to a day God made for for works and labors Exo20:9 never came with the power of God's blessings and sanctification, is not one of the comamndment of God but a mere tradition of man a practice that Jesus Himself could not condemn more Mat15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 as did the apostles Col2:8.

This reminds me of the teaching in the garden that caused our first parents to fall. Its just a tree, what does a tree matter - its just a day, what does a day matter.

It matters to God,

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Eze20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols

Worship according to Jesus is about obedience to God's commandments- what voice are we going to subject ourselves to- God or man.

According to God- His people keep God's commandments, not mans. Rev12:17 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

Out of context to what to what Paul was referring to.

We shouldn't condemn anyone- God's Word should do the cutting Heb4:12, not us, but when we see our brother committing adultery and encourage them, well what difference does it make which women it is, your wife or someone else's, its still a women- its something God condemns 1John3:4 Mat12:48 James2:11-12 Rev11:18-19 just like He does with the 4th commandment. God never isolated and said this one commandment was optional, or pick the day you want. He was very specific Exo20:8-11 Heb4:4, replacing what God said for our own wants, desires and following popular traditions has never worked out well for anyone. Jesus said IF you love Me, keep My commandments- not find reasons why I am wrong or why you can't. Our battle is over who we obey, or serve which voice is one having faith to follow Rom6:16. When Jesus comes back we will have to be accountable for our decisions there will be no more chances to change sides Rev22:11 why He calls on us today if we hear His voice to not harden our heart to rebellion, sin, disobedience and unbelief all used interchangeable. Heb3:7-13

I think we are at a point where we will just have to leave it as agree to disagree and I guess we shall see at His soon return. I wish you well.

I think we’ve reached the point where the real issue is not whether God’s Word governs man — we both agree it does. The question is whether the coming of Christ and the inauguration of the New Covenant changed how the Sinai covenant functions. That is not “man overriding God.” That is asking how God Himself says His redemptive plan unfolds.

You ask where God — not Paul — ever indicated change. Hebrews 8:13 says plainly that the old covenant is obsolete. Jeremiah 31 says the new covenant will be “not like” the one made at Sinai. That covenant included the Ten Words as its covenant document (Ex. 34:28). When covenant changes, administration changes. God’s character does not change — but covenants in Scripture do. Animal sacrifices were commanded by God. They are no longer practiced — not because man overruled God, but because Christ fulfilled them. Fulfillment is not rebellion.

Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 must also be read carefully. He says He came to fulfill the Law. Fulfillment does not mean simple continuation in identical form. The entire Sermon on the Mount shows Him deepening, internalizing, and transforming how the Law is understood. Hebrews 4 explicitly connects Sabbath rest to a greater rest found in Christ. Colossians 2 includes Sabbaths among the shadows pointing to Him. Paul does not command first-day observance as a replacement law; rather, he refuses to bind consciences over days (Rom. 14:5; Col. 2:16). That would be unthinkable if seventh-day observance remained a covenant boundary marker in the same way.

No one here is saying obedience doesn’t matter. It absolutely does. But the New Testament consistently locates salvation and covenant identity in union with Christ — not in calendar observance. When a particular command becomes the dividing line between true worship and false worship under the New Covenant, that moves us back toward defining righteousness by law-keeping rather than by Christ’s finished work. That is the concern.

This is not about choosing man’s voice over God’s voice. It is about recognizing that God has spoken finally in His Son (Heb. 1:1–2), and the apostles were authorized to explain what His fulfillment means for the people of God. We may continue to disagree, but the disagreement is about covenant theology — not about whether God’s Word matters.

I agree that in the end we answer to Christ. Until then, we should be careful not to equate our interpretation of a covenant command with the totality of faithfulness to Him. I respect your conviction, even if we land differently.

Hentenza · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
You keep using your words as if they are Gods and sadly ignoring what He stated so plainly Exo20:10 Heb4:4 Luk23:56 but feel free to carry on...

I’m using the Bible but I know that it doesn’t align with your interpretation. We’ve already covered your pet out of context verses many times.

SabbathBlessings · Feb 12, 2026

Mercy Shown said:
Respectfully, framing this as “using Paul to override Jesus” creates a false choice. The same Lord who spoke in Matthew 15 is the One who personally commissioned Paul (Acts 9). The apostles are not in tension; they are explaining the implications of Christ’s completed work. Suggesting that appealing to Paul is somehow diminishing Jesus unintentionally elevates one portion of inspired Scripture over another.

It also matters that Jesus’ earthly ministry occurred under the Mosaic covenant (Gal. 4:4). The New Covenant had not yet been inaugurated through His death and resurrection. There were truths He deliberately withheld until after the cross (John 16:12–13). The apostles were then entrusted with explaining what His fulfillment of the Law meant for the church — especially in a mixed Jew-Gentile context. That is not countermanding Jesus; it is applying His finished work in its covenantal context.

The repeated move to label a different reading as “man-made tradition” assumes what it needs to prove. The issue is not whether God’s commandments matter. The issue is how they function after fulfillment. When Sabbath observance (or any single command) becomes the dividing line between true worship and “vain” worship, the center subtly shifts from Christ’s righteousness to covenant performance. That is precisely the kind of shift Paul warns about in Galatians and Romans.

We should be very careful before invoking Matthew 15 against fellow believers who are seeking to understand how the New Covenant relates to the Old. Jesus rebuked people for nullifying God’s commands with human loopholes — not for wrestling with how His own redemptive work reshapes covenant obligations. Those are not the same category.

If we’re going to warn about 2 Peter 3:16, we should apply it evenly: it cautions against distorting Paul, not against reading him. The question isn’t whether God’s Word is serious — we agree it is. The question is whether Christ’s fulfillment changes how certain commands function. That deserves argument from the whole counsel of Scripture, not the suggestion that disagreement equals rebellion.

I think the core issue here is not whether God’s commandments are holy — we both agree they are (Rom. 7:12). The question is how they function after Christ fulfills the Law and inaugurates the New Covenant. Simply saying “Romans 14 doesn’t use the word Sabbath” does not settle the matter. Romans 14 discusses disputes over food and days in a mixed Jewish–Gentile church. In Paul’s world, the primary “day” controversy between Jews and Gentiles was Sabbath observance. If Paul believed the seventh-day Sabbath remained binding in the same covenantal way as at Sinai, it would be extraordinary for him to say, “Let each be fully convinced in his own mind,” without correction. That is not how apostles speak about binding moral absolutes like adultery or idolatry.

Regarding Colossians 2, the distinction between the “handwriting of ordinances” and the Ten Commandments is not as clean as is often claimed. Paul explicitly includes “festival, new moon, or Sabbath days” (Col. 2:16). That triad is a standard Old Testament way of referring to the entire Jewish calendar system (cf. 1 Chr. 23:31; 2 Chr. 2:4; Ezek. 45:17). Paul calls them “a shadow of things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.” He does not carve out the weekly Sabbath as exempt from that category. Nor does he say, “Continue observing the seventh day, but not the annual Sabbaths.” Instead, he warns against being judged over them.

Appealing to Matthew 5:17–19 must also be done carefully. Jesus fulfilled the Law — and fulfillment does not mean simple continuation in unchanged form. The same chapter intensifies commandments beyond their letter (“You have heard… but I say to you”), demonstrating that fulfillment transforms how the Law functions. Hebrews 8 explicitly says the New Covenant is “not like” the covenant made at Sinai. Writing the law on the heart (Heb. 8:10) is tied to full forgiveness and Christ’s priestly mediation, not to reinstating the Sinai covenant structure.

No one is claiming Paul corrected God. The question is whether Christ’s redemptive work brought covenantal transition. Paul himself says circumcision — unquestionably commanded by God — now counts for nothing (Gal. 5:6; 6:15). That alone proves that a command once given by God can cease to function covenantally without God’s character changing. So the real debate is not over whether God’s Word is perfect, but whether the Mosaic covenant remains administratively binding after Christ.

Finally, 1 Corinthians 7:19 must be read in context: in the same breath Paul says circumcision is nothing. Therefore “keeping the commandments of God” cannot mean strict adherence to the Mosaic code as such; it refers to obedience flowing from life in Christ (cf. Gal. 6:2, “the law of Christ”). The New Testament consistently places justification and covenant membership in union with Christ — not in calendar observance.

This is not about diminishing the Sabbath or exalting Paul over Jesus. It is about recognizing redemptive history. The apostles teach that the shadow gives way to the substance. If we make Sabbath observance the dividing line of faithfulness under the New Covenant, we risk placing believers back under a covenant administration that Hebrews explicitly says has become obsolete (Heb. 8:13). That is the real issue at stake.

I think we’ve reached the point where the real issue is not whether God’s Word governs man — we both agree it does. The question is whether the coming of Christ and the inauguration of the New Covenant changed how the Sinai covenant functions. That is not “man overriding God.” That is asking how God Himself says His redemptive plan unfolds.

You ask where God — not Paul — ever indicated change. Hebrews 8:13 says plainly that the old covenant is obsolete. Jeremiah 31 says the new covenant will be “not like” the one made at Sinai. That covenant included the Ten Words as its covenant document (Ex. 34:28). When covenant changes, administration changes. God’s character does not change — but covenants in Scripture do. Animal sacrifices were commanded by God. They are no longer practiced — not because man overruled God, but because Christ fulfilled them. Fulfillment is not rebellion.

Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 must also be read carefully. He says He came to fulfill the Law. Fulfillment does not mean simple continuation in identical form. The entire Sermon on the Mount shows Him deepening, internalizing, and transforming how the Law is understood. Hebrews 4 explicitly connects Sabbath rest to a greater rest found in Christ. Colossians 2 includes Sabbaths among the shadows pointing to Him. Paul does not command first-day observance as a replacement law; rather, he refuses to bind consciences over days (Rom. 14:5; Col. 2:16). That would be unthinkable if seventh-day observance remained a covenant boundary marker in the same way.

No one here is saying obedience doesn’t matter. It absolutely does. But the New Testament consistently locates salvation and covenant identity in union with Christ — not in calendar observance. When a particular command becomes the dividing line between true worship and false worship under the New Covenant, that moves us back toward defining righteousness by law-keeping rather than by Christ’s finished work. That is the concern.

This is not about choosing man’s voice over God’s voice. It is about recognizing that God has spoken finally in His Son (Heb. 1:1–2), and the apostles were authorized to explain what His fulfillment means for the people of God. We may continue to disagree, but the disagreement is about covenant theology — not about whether God’s Word matters.

I agree that in the end we answer to Christ. Until then, we should be careful not to equate our interpretation of a covenant command with the totality of faithfulness to Him. I respect your conviction, even if we land differently.

Was this written by you personally? Just curious.

I disagree that covenant is based on performance, it’s based on faithfulness, faithfulness leads to obedience through love, not disobedience. I do not believe Jesus fulfilling the law leads to lawlessness when Jesus said He came not to destroy His laws, but to fulfill and He promised He would magnify- make greater not make smaller Isa 42:21 not a jot or tittle can pass until ALL is fulfilled, He did not come to destroy the law or prophets which would include the prophecies of His second coming, that has not happened, so until than not a jot or tittle can pass. Why breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments leads people in the wrong direction according to Jesus- sin and judgement Mat5:19-30

I do not beleive Paul countermands His teachings and as soon a Jesus died His teachings became invalid and Paul taught something different. We are governed by God not man- God never left it up to man to write His holy and perfect law, so why would He leave it to man to remove one of His commandments that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle and to Remember the only commandment man teaches we are free to forget.

Can you duplicate your understanding of Paul with the teachings of Jesus. Can you see the harm of disobeying one of God's commandments and replacing with man-made traditions according to both Jesus and Paul Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Col2:8. Jesus was with the apostles 40 days after He ratified His covenant at the Cross, nothing can change and the first thing we see is His faithful keeping the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Can you tell me where Jesus corrected them or anyone for that matter and commanded man to now keep the first day holy or the day doesn't matter anymore? How many times did God repeat not to profaned the Sabbath in Scripture. It left an entire generation out of their inheritance and blessing. Eze20:15-16 So where did God say we no longer need to keep the 4th commandment and can now substitute any day we want. Paul is quoted as being misunderstood that can lead someone to their own destruction, so when it comes to what's under the mercy seat of God- written personally by God, the word of God, God's own Testimony that going away from we are warned Isa8:20 God would have to personally tell us. All the thus saith the Lords in the Bible He tells us to keep the Sabbath and not profane it, what Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4 , never said to countermand what God said with any of His disciples. That even His apostles never did in action what you claim they taught.

Just in case anyone is interested here is an awesome study I found today on Col2:16 Colossians 2:16 - Sabbath or Ceremonial Law

boughtwithaprice · Feb 12, 2026

Mercy Shown said:
The gospel teaches that salvation is accomplished entirely by God’s grace in Christ and received through faith apart from works. Because justification is finished, obedience is no longer a means of earning acceptance but a grateful response to it. Within this framework, seventh-day Sabbath observance can be understood not as a legal requirement but as a freely chosen act of worship that confesses God as Creator and Redeemer. Resting on the seventh day does not compete with Christ’s finished work; it bears witness to it by declaring that human striving is not the ground of salvation.

The Sabbath itself precedes the Mosaic covenant and is rooted in God’s creational rest, indicating that its purpose is not merely ceremonial but formative—shaping human life around dependence on God rather than productivity. In Christ, the Sabbath’s deepest meaning is fulfilled, not erased: believers enter true rest by trusting in Jesus’ completed work. Observing the seventh day, therefore, can function as a gospel-shaped practice that reinforces this truth rather than undermining it, much like prayer or generosity—disciplines that do not justify but express faith.

New Testament freedom does not require the abandonment of embodied practices, but their reorientation. Paul’s insistence that believers not judge one another regarding days protects consciences from compulsion, not from devotion. A Christian who honors the seventh day “to the Lord” does so in freedom, not obligation, and thus remains fully aligned with justification by faith alone. Such observance is not a denial of fulfillment in Christ but a voluntary participation in a creational rhythm that points to the rest He provides.

Seen this way, seventh-day Sabbath keeping is not a rival to Sunday worship nor a boundary marker of spiritual status. It is a, grace-driven response to the gospel—an enacted confession that God alone creates, redeems, and restores His people. Far from contradicting gospel theology, this posture applies its central insight: that the gospel does not abolish obedience, but transforms its motive, meaning, and spirit.

Sounds reasonable, but without sacrifice, there is no Sabbath. The Sabbath was given so the people could rest from their labors and be in the presence of God. To be prepared to be in the presence of God, the people must be penitent and covered with the blood of sacrifice.
If the Jews would merely meet on the Sabbath and talk about what they believe God to be, yet refused to go to Temple and receive the blood of sacrifice from the priests, would they have been keeping Sabbath?

Animal sacrifice has stopped and the Temple has been destroyed, not one stone left on another. Has the New Covenant stopped all sacrifice whatsoever or Has Christ fulfilled the purpose of sacrifice?

Christ tells us that it is not sufficient to imagine that your sins are forgiven, you must keep a perpetual sacrifice as a remembrance. He tells us that unless we eat His flesh and drink His blood, we have no life in us. He says His flesh and blood are real not imaginary

Paul puts solemn significance on the sacrifice when he asks in Corinthians 10

16 The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord 17 For we, being many, are one bread, one body, all that partake of one bread 18 Behold Israel according to the flesh: are not they, that eat of the sacrifices, partakers of the altar?

So you meet on what you term the seventh day and and talk about God? Ok, but where is the sacrifice? And where is the Apostle with the authority to administer it?

How do we know that the Sabbath was more than just a day to meet? Because God says in His word that the Sabbath can be any day that God says it is. It is not the day of the week and meeting amongst ourselves that is the purpose. It is the penance, sacrifice, and communion with God that matters

Does it not say in His word that the first and the eighth day can be Sabbaths? We read in Leviticus

[36] The eighth day also shall be most solemn and most holy, and you shall offer holocausts to the Lord: for it is the day of assembly and congregation: you shall do no servile work therein. [37] These are the feasts of the Lord, which you shall call most solemn and most holy, and shall offer on them oblations to the Lord, holocausts and libations according to the rite of every day, [38] Besides the sabbaths of the Lord, and your gifts, and those things that you offer by vow, or which you shall give to the Lord voluntarily. [39] So from the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you shall have gathered in all the fruits of your land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord seven days: on the first day and the eighth shall be a sabbath, that is a day of rest

So you meet and talk on the seventh day? So what? Where is the sacrifice that solemnifies it?
God says that the Sabbath can be any day that He designates, because it is not the day, but what happens on the day that makes it holy.

The commandment is to keep holy the Sabbath day, not to isolate the seventh day and ignore the sacrifice. It is the communion with God that is holy. God Himself in His word makes clear that the day does not matter

It is called the marriage supper of the Lamb, and it is how we sew are wedding garments. Have you not read that we need a wedding garments, else we will be put in outer darkness? Matthew 22:1-14

For 1500 years the Church kept the Sabbath Holy and participated in the sacrifice of the body and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ as commanded by Our Lord, do this in remembrance of me. Not a one time remembrance but perpetual. It was only in 1523 where a man named Zwingli began to say it is all imaginary, let’s stop doing that

Jesus says my flesh is real food and my blood real drink. Zwingli says, not so Lord, your flesh and blood was almost 1500 years ago, what I see now is only a symbol. When you think about it, if Zwingli left the apostles, then the authority did not go with him. He lost His priestly authority to participate in the Holy Sacrifice, so if he had bread and wine in his services, it was just symbolic, as he denied the body and blood of Christ. Christ does not go where He is not wanted, as He says, I stand at the door and knock. He does not break down the door. Those that have remained with the Apostles eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ just as He offered it at the Last Supper

The Sabbath is when God says it is, not when we say. As we pray thy kingdom come, thy will be done. Where there is no sacrifice, there is no Sabbath

Mercy Shown · Feb 12, 2026

boughtwithaprice said:
Sounds reasonable, but without sacrifice, there is no Sabbath. The Sabbath was given so the people could rest from their labors and be in the presence of God. To be prepared to be in the presence of God, the people must be penitent and covered with the blood of sacrifice.
If the Jews would merely meet on the Sabbath and talk about what they believe God to be, yet refused to go to Temple and receive the blood of sacrifice from the priests, would they have been keeping Sabbath?

Animal sacrifice has stopped and the Temple has been destroyed, not one stone left on another. Has the New Covenant stopped all sacrifice whatsoever or Has Christ fulfilled the purpose of sacrifice?

Does not have sacrifices because Christ's one sacrifice has perfected us forever, while we are still being made holy.

boughtwithaprice said:
Christ tells us that it is not sufficient to imagine that your sins are forgiven, you must keep a perpetual sacrifice as a remembrance. He tells us that unless we eat His flesh and drink His blood, we have no life in us. He says His flesh and blood are real not imaginary

When Jesus says in John 6 that we must “eat His flesh and drink His blood,” He is not instituting a perpetual sacrifice. In fact, the same chapter explains what He means: “He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst” (John 6:35). Coming and believing are the parallel phrases that interpret eating and drinking. The crowd thought physically; Jesus corrected them spiritually (John 6:63 — “the flesh profits nothing… the words I speak are spirit and life”).

Second, the New Testament is emphatic that Christ’s sacrifice was once for all, not ongoing. Hebrews says repeatedly that He offered Himself “once for all” (Heb. 7:27; 9:12; 10:10–14). A perpetual sacrifice would contradict the finished work of the cross. When Jesus said, “It is finished” (John 19:30), He meant the atoning work was complete.

When the Lord instituted the Supper, He said, “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Luke 22:19; 1 Cor. 11:24–26). It is a memorial proclamation of a completed sacrifice, not a re-presentation that keeps atonement active. Paul says we “proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes,” not perpetuate it.

So the issue is not imagining forgiveness, nor maintaining sacrifice. The issue is union with Christ by faith. We partake of Him continually — not by re-sacrificing Him — but by trusting in His once-for-all offering and abiding in Him. The Lord’s Supper nourishes faith; it does not replace it.

Christ’s flesh and blood are indeed “real” — meaning His incarnation and death were real, historical, and effective. But the life He speaks of in John 6 is received through faith in His finished work, not through maintaining an ongoing sacrifice.

Mercy Shown · Feb 12, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
Was this written by you personally? Just curious.

Yes

SabbathBlessings said:
I disagree that covenant is based on performance, it’s based on faithfulness, faithfulness leads to obedience through love, not disobedience. I do not believe Jesus fulfilling the law leads to lawlessness when Jesus said He came not to destroy His laws, but to fulfill and He promised He would magnify- make greater not make smaller Isa 42:21 not a jot or tittle can pass until ALL is fulfilled, He did not come to destroy the law or prophets which would include the prophecies of His second coming, that has not happened, so until than not a jot or tittle can pass. Why breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments leads people in the wrong direction according to Jesus- sin and judgement Mat5:19-30

The New Covenant is grounded entirely on the merits of Jesus Christ, not on our performance. The New Covenant rests on Christ’s perfect obedience, His atoning death, and His once-for-all sacrifice (Heb. 8:6; 10:14). He fulfilled the law we broke, bore the judgment we deserved, and secured eternal redemption through His own blood. Our standing before God is not sustained by our works, but by His finished work. Every promise of the New Covenant flows from what Christ has accomplished, not from what we contribute.

SabbathBlessings said:
I do not beleive Paul countermands His teachings and as soon a Jesus died His teachings became invalid and Paul taught something different. We are governed by God not man- God never left it up to man to write His holy and perfect law, so why would He leave it to man to remove one of His commandments that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle and to Remember the only commandment man teaches we are free to forget.

If you read what I wrote, then you would not have made that opening statement. During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the Old Covenant was still in force. The temple stood, sacrifices continued, and He Himself was “born under the law” (Gal. 4:4). Yet He repeatedly signaled that a transition was coming. He spoke of “new wine” requiring new wineskins (Mark 2:22), declared that something greater than the temple was present (Matt. 12:6), and at the Last Supper announced a “new covenant in My blood” (Luke 22:20). He also told His disciples, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now” (John 16:12), pointing forward to fuller revelation after His death and resurrection. That fuller explanation came through the apostles, especially Paul, who unpacked how Christ’s cross fulfilled the law, ended the old covenant’s jurisdiction, and inaugurated the Kingdom of God governed by grace (Rom. 6:14; 2 Cor. 3:6–11). Paul was not teaching something different from Christ, but explaining what Christ’s finished work accomplished—truths the disciples could only fully understand after the cross and the coming of the Spirit.

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you duplicate your understanding of Paul with the teachings of Jesus. Can you see the harm of disobeying one of God's commandments and replacing with man-made traditions according to both Jesus and Paul Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Col2:8.

You would first have to justify your accusations. A clear example of Sabbath-keeping that does not revolve around a physical day is found in Hebrews 4, where believers are told, “There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God… for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works” (Heb. 4:9–10). In this sense, keeping the Sabbath means ceasing from striving to earn righteousness and resting by faith in Christ’s finished work. It is the daily posture of trusting Him rather than our own efforts — living from grace instead of laboring for acceptance. That kind of Sabbath is not tied to a calendar day, but to abiding in Christ and resting in what He has accomplished.

So your question is based on a faulty premise.

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus was with the apostles 40 days after He ratified His covenant at the Cross, nothing can change and the first thing we see is His faithful keeping the Sabbath according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Can you tell me where Jesus corrected them or anyone for that matter and commanded man to now keep the first day holy or the day doesn't matter anymore?

Why? I am not arguing for abolishing the Sabbath. I am arguing for not judging others who keep it in a different way.

BNR32FAN · Friday at 6:26 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
I never said I do not believe that Moses could have copied and wrote down the Ten Commandments- but its not stated anywhere in Scripture.

Then that would mean that in Exodus 24:3-4 Moses didn’t recite the 10 commandments to the Israelites when they made the oath saying “all that the Lord has spoken we will do”. That would mean that he didn’t even tell them about the very sign of the covenant and he didn’t write all that the Lord had spoken. You don’t think that it’s strange that Moses wouldn’t write the SIGN OF THE COVENANT IN THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT? It is written in scripture you just refuse to admit it.

BNR32FAN · Friday at 6:31 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
The emphasis on the Ten Commandments is what God did. Do you think man has the same power as God?

Whose idea was it to observe the yearly feasts and new moon feasts? Was that man’s idea or was that God’s commandment? Your argument here seems to suggest that all of the laws outside of the 10 commandments were man’s laws when that’s not the case at all. You still have laws that were specifically commanded by God that are being abolished in Colossians 2:16. So your argument is nonsensical.

BNR32FAN · Friday at 6:37 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
God never wrote the handwritten ordinances Paul was quoting, Moses did and the handwriting of ordinances was never referred to as the Ten Commandments that Jesus Himself quoted from and used interchangeably calling it the word of God. The word of God is never referred to as the "handwriting of ordinances"

Really? So every time Jesus said the words “it is written” that isn’t always referring to the word of God and He only used that phrase in reference to the 10 commandments? Cmon get real.

SabbathBlessings · Friday at 6:43 AM

Mercy Shown said:
The New Covenant is grounded entirely on the merits of Jesus Christ, not on our performance.

So, what is our part? Jesus included us to have a part. Can someone who does not love Jesus nor do what He asks still be saved?

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

If Jesus wanted us robots, we would not be separated from Him.

This is the New Covenant

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws (not traditions of man) in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

Gentiles are part of this and we are told to HOLD FAST- God's covenant through faithfulness

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

If keeping and doing what God placed in our hearts not part of the New Covenant?

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Are we still in a covenant relationship by rejecting what God places in our hearts and minds?

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Mercy Shown said:
The New Covenant rests on Christ’s perfect obedience, His atoning death, and His once-for-all sacrifice (Heb. 8:6; 10:14). He fulfilled the law we broke, bore the judgment we deserved, and secured eternal redemption through His own blood. Our standing before God is not sustained by our works, but by His finished work. Every promise of the New Covenant flows from what Christ has accomplished, not from what we contribute.

So Jesus fulfilled the law so we can live in sin? Was that His purpose at the Cross? If so than why are we separated from Him now. Why would Jesus ask if we love Him to keep His commandments, if we want to remain in His love to keep His commandments, those who say they know Him and do not keep His commandments is a liar and no truth in them 1John2:4 where Jesus says depart from My, those who practice lawlessness at His second coming Mat7:23 Jesus fulfilled the law by magnifying the law what He was prophesized to do Isa 42:21 making it greater, not smaller, not bring an end to doing what He deems is righteous Psa119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 Mat5:19-30

Mercy Shown said:
If you read what I wrote, then you would not have made that opening statement. During Jesus’ earthly ministry, the Old Covenant was still in force. The temple stood, sacrifices continued, and He Himself was “born under the law” (Gal. 4:4).

Where did Jesus make one sacrifice in the temple. Verse please. Born under the law means under the condemnation of the law- the wages of sin is death- it doesn;t mean "not being under the law" frees one from our moral obligation to obey God by our love and faith what Jesus asked. We are not under the condemnation of the law if someone is submitting to His Spirit and those who submit to His Spirit obey Him Acts 5:32: and keep His commandments through His Spirit John14:15-18 by love and cooperating, not rebelling.

Mercy Shown said:
Yet He repeatedly signaled that a transition was coming. He spoke of “new wine” requiring new wineskins (Mark 2:22), declared that something greater than the temple was present (Matt. 12:6), and at the Last Supper announced a “new covenant in My blood” (Luke 22:20). He also told His disciples, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now” (John 16:12), pointing forward to fuller revelation after His death and resurrection. That fuller explanation came through the apostles, especially Paul, who unpacked how Christ’s cross fulfilled the law, ended the old covenant’s jurisdiction, and inaugurated the Kingdom of God governed by grace (Rom. 6:14; 2 Cor. 3:6–11). Paul was not teaching something different from Christ, but explaining what Christ’s finished work accomplished—truths the disciples could only fully understand after the cross and the coming of the Spirit.

And where did any of this mean we can becomes sinners and break the law of God in the NC 1John3:4 James2:11

Mercy Shown said:
You would first have to justify your accusations. A clear example of Sabbath-keeping that does not revolve around a physical day is found in Hebrews 4, where believers are told, “There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God… for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works” (Heb. 4:9–10).

According to Hebrews 4 it does revolve around a physical day as God spoke clearly on this matter and even personally wrote it out. Exo31:18

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

What is being repeated, not introducing anything new....

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

What remains for the people of God.

Heb4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The word rest in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath day

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

And now lets look carefully at the next verse you referenced

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

The word also means in addition to. So there are TWO rests being referred to in Hebrews 4, not 1. We enter His rest though faith Heb4:2 those who enter His rest ALSO they are doing something in addition, they ALSO ceased from their works as God did, on the SEVENTH DAY

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

God's people rest in God and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy on the only day God told us to keep holy and we do so by resting with God on the Sabbath of the LORD. Exo20:10 keeping our focus on Him Isa 58:13 because there is no disobedience to God or His commandments when we rest in Him- just peace and righteousness Isa 48:18 not rebellion and sin Heb3:7-19

Mercy Shown said:
In this sense, keeping the Sabbath means ceasing from striving to earn righteousness and resting by faith in Christ’s finished work. It is the daily posture of trusting Him rather than our own efforts — living from grace instead of laboring for acceptance. That kind of Sabbath is not tied to a calendar day, but to abiding in Christ and resting in what He has accomplished.

Your words not God's.

Mercy Shown said:
So your question is based on a faulty premise.

Not really

Mercy Shown said:
Why? I am not arguing for abolishing the Sabbath. I am arguing for not judging others who keep it in a different way.

There is not a different Sabbath for the people of God to keep, only one- God blessed and sactified only one day and God was plain on it- He even personally wrote it out
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath

We only come to a different conclusion if we choose not to obey God and follow popular traditions of man. Something even Paul warned about Col2:8

SabbathBlessings · Friday at 6:50 AM

BNR32FAN said:
Then that would mean that in Exodus 24:3-4 Moses didn’t recite the 10 commandments to the Israelites when they made the oath saying “all that the Lord has spoken we will do”. That would mean that he didn’t even tell them about the very sign of the covenant and he didn’t write all that the Lord had spoken. You don’t think that it’s strange that Moses wouldn’t write the SIGN OF THE COVENANT IN THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT? It is written in scripture you just refuse to admit it.

Exo 24 is speaking about the law of Moses what was written in the book by Moses Exo24:4-7 Deut31:24-26 as already showed to you a few times.

God spoke directly to the children of Israel His Law, the Ten Commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 God wrote them, not Moses Exo31:18

Exo 19:8 Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.” So Moses brought back the words of the people to the Lord. 9 And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever.”

Exo 20:1And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

God is not Moses, God never wrote the handwritten ordinances- Moses did 2Chron33:8 its states so plainly in our Bibles.

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