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FCC cracking down on liberal talk-shows not giving equal airtime to GOP guests

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To score political points, just as he said. The MAGA movement exploited the murder of Kirk to go after their political/cultural enemies with a vengeance, using the shock of the event to gin up moral outrage which was then redirected inappropriately.
So two wrongs make a right.

But maybe Trump had a point.

Kimmel's show overwhelmingly biased against conservatives, study finds
ABC/ParamountDisney was threatened by Trump's FCC chairman Brendon Carr concerning upcoming merges and ongoing local broadcast licenses for local affiliates. This came from above. Trump further crowed about getting more late night hosts fired for displeasing him.
Or being political and partisan themselves. Its common knowledge that most of the shows are liberals. Look at the view.
"We can do it the hard way or the easy way," Brendon Carr to ABC.
Not sure what thats about.
 
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So two wrongs make a right.
How so? The murder wasn't made right. Kimmel's comment wasn't wrong.
But maybe Trump had a point.
Cancel shows that criticize him? He has imitation-tweeted that he intended to go after all of them. He crowed about this and the cancellation of the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.
Kimmel's show overwhelmingly biased against conservatives, study finds
Yes, and? There are plenty of other shows that are conservative as the market is big enough to accommodate multiple view points. There is absolutely no mandate that programming - including comedy and talk shows - be politically neutral. If this is what a sizeable market share wants, who is the president of the United States to decide?
Or being political and partisan themselves.
That's allowed. What is not allowed is the government shutting down shows because the president dislikes them.
Its common knowledge that most of the shows are liberals. Look at the view.
I have never actually looked at The View (isn't it daytime talk show?) even though conservatives complain about it quite often. I know from reading that the show included conservatives such as Megan McCain - if she is no longer on the show, I would assume some other conservative lady was chosen to represent the right wing view. I think the point of it was to have a discussion not just nodding agreement, but it always just seemed to be celebrities talking which is uninteresting to me.

The entertainment industry is mostly about profits. If spouting a liberal pov is profitable because that is what people want to watch, then why would the federal government step in?

Since radio talk shows are overwhelmingly conservative do you think that they should be shutdown or forced to give liberals and others equal time? It was the conservatives who got the Fairness Doctrine abolished so for them to complain about it now is more than a bit whiny.
Not sure what thats about.
The FCC (Federal Communication Commission) sets the rules for licensing and such. When the commissioner says that the host being fired can be done the easy way - voluntarily - or the hard way - withholding approval for merges and broadcasting licenses for its affiliates - is a naked threat of the government coercion from one in the position to wreck or facilitate matters.

In the United States, the government supposedly doesn't control the content of commercial media unlike fascist or authoritarian regimes (aside from fraud and pornography and that sort of illegalities).
 
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I have never actually looked at The View (isn't it daytime talk show?) even though conservatives complain about it quite often.
I have vague awareness of it and have never watch, but it is a daytime talk show *on ABC* that has been around for almost 30 years.
I know from reading that the show included conservatives such as Megan McCain - if she is no longer on the show, I would assume some other conservative lady was chosen to represent the right wing view. I think the point of it was to have a discussion not just nodding agreement, but it always just seemed to be celebrities talking which is uninteresting to me.
Without trying to parse the politics of every participant (many of whom I've never heard of), the conservatives/Republicans that stick out immediately to me are:

Elisabeth Hasselbeck(2003-13)
Nicolle Wallace(2014-15) [Bush 2004 Comms. director, later WH Comms. director; Senior advisor McCain 2008 campaign]
Candace Cameron(2015-16) [Child actress ("Full House"); brother Kirk is famously partner of "banana man" Ray Comfort; senior executive in Christian entertainment company]
Meghan "do you know who my father is?" McCain (2017-21) [Daughter of US Senator and GOP Presidential candidate]
Abby Huntsman(2018-20) [Daughter of GOP Utah governor]

Since 2022 they have two panelists who are center right, but don't (currently) support Trump:
Ana Navarro (political consultant and commentator) and Alyssa Farrah Griffin (had several communications jobs in the first Trump Administration)

I have no interest in arguing on their "purity" (I mean *you*, Steve!). Fox News' version called "The Five" includes one liberal, Jessica Tarlov.
 
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Because the president is a giant baby and his friend at the FCC likes to kiss up to his boss.
I thought it was their sponsors who were offended. You know the ones that pay for his show. You don't offend your bosses. Kimmel even apologise and said he understood that people would see it was ill timed and offensive to them.

That you once again fixate on everything Trump and disregard the millions who supported Kirk only proves my point.
 
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How so? The murder wasn't made right. Kimmel's comment wasn't wrong.

Cancel shows that criticize him? He has imitation-tweeted that he intended to go after all of them. He crowed about this and the cancellation of the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.

Yes, and? There are plenty of other shows that are conservative as the market is big enough to accommodate multiple view points. There is absolutely no mandate that programming - including comedy and talk shows - be politically neutral. If this is what a sizeable market share wants, who is the president of the United States to decide?

That's allowed. What is not allowed is the government shutting down shows because the president dislikes them.

I have never actually looked at The View (isn't it daytime talk show?) even though conservatives complain about it quite often. I know from reading that the show included conservatives such as Megan McCain - if she is no longer on the show, I would assume some other conservative lady was chosen to represent the right wing view. I think the point of it was to have a discussion not just nodding agreement, but it always just seemed to be celebrities talking which is uninteresting to me.

The entertainment industry is mostly about profits. If spouting a liberal pov is profitable because that is what people want to watch, then why would the federal government step in?

Since radio talk shows are overwhelmingly conservative do you think that they should be shutdown or forced to give liberals and others equal time? It was the conservatives who got the Fairness Doctrine abolished so for them to complain about it now is more than a bit whiny.

The FCC (Federal Communication Commission) sets the rules for licensing and such. When the commissioner says that the host being fired can be done the easy way - voluntarily - or the hard way - withholding approval for merges and broadcasting licenses for its affiliates - is a naked threat of the government coercion from one in the position to wreck or facilitate matters.

In the United States, the government supposedly doesn't control the content of commercial media unlike fascist or authoritarian regimes (aside from fraud and pornography and that sort of illegalities).
Ok
 
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I thought it was their sponsors who were offended. You know the ones that pay for his show.
Most US TV shows don't have "sponsors". This isn't the 50s or 60s. Advertisers will say what programs or types of programs they would like their ads to be placed with and which ones the don't.

We told you it was the local station owners that said they weren't going to air the show. (Which would cost ABC ad revenue.)
You don't offend your bosses.
"Boss" referred to TRUMP. (Not that the Chair of the FCC is supposed to report to the President, but Trump doesn't operate in the normal manner.)
Kimmel even apologise and said he understood that people would see it was ill timed and offensive to them.
I think you missed a word or two.
That you once again fixate on everything Trump and disregard the millions who supported Kirk only proves my point.
Most of Kirk's "supporters" didn't know who he was before he died.
 
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Most US TV shows don't have "sponsors". This isn't the 50s or 60s. Advertisers will say what programs or types of programs they would like their ads to be placed with and which ones the don't.

We told you it was the local station owners that said they weren't going to air the show. (Which would cost ABC ad revenue.)
OK you have lost me with all the corporate law stuff and who owns who.

Are you saying that whatever the connection is that makes a third party connected or interested in the content that is put out. Don't have a say or cannot have a say in what content is put out. That they cannot complain if they disagree.
"Boss" referred to TRUMP. (Not that the Chair of the FCC is supposed to report to the President, but Trump doesn't operate in the normal manner.)
Ok, I thought it was the bosses of the organisations that were connected to the TV shows.

We actually had a boss of a corporation threaten to pull funding because they did not like certain points of view. It happens. I think the corporate world is a bit murky. They have a lot of influence but not many checks and balances.
I think you missed a word or two.
Not enough for him to sort of admit he offended a lot of people. Thats why he had to do the whole fake tear performance as part of coming back.
Most of Kirk's "supporters" didn't know who he was before he died.
They certainly did after he made that remark.
 
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They certainly did after he made that remark.
Which remark? Seriously, type it out, read it and ask yourself if it was a firing offense, keeping in mind this is a late night comedian.
 
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OK you have lost me with all the corporate law stuff and who owns who.

Are you saying that whatever the connection is that makes a third party connected or interested in the content that is put out. Don't have a say or cannot have a say in what content is put out. That they cannot complain if they disagree.
It is my understanding that when companies make large ad buys on TV networks (ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox) they pay a rate based on the number of viewers who are expected to see the ad and the demographics of the viewers. The higher the ratings the higher the fees. Advertisers do have preferences and sometimes do pull ads from specific shows in "controversies". (One recent example was on cable with the Tucker Carlson where there was a period where there were virtually no ads on his show.)
Ok, I thought it was the bosses of the organisations that were connected to the TV shows.

We actually had a boss of a corporation threaten to pull funding because they did not like certain points of view. It happens. I think the corporate world is a bit murky. They have a lot of influence but not many checks and balances.

Not enough for him to sort of admit he offended a lot of people. Thats why he had to do the whole fake tear performance as part of coming back.
I don't know what you are talking about. I watched it on YT (my local station was owned by one of the local owners that wasn't airing it) and saw no such thing.
They certainly did after he made that remark.
You need to watch your use of pronouns. The only "he" in the sentence you were replying to was Kirk.
 
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