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The 800 pound gorilla in the room - Epstein files never explored

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When this is an 800 pound gorilla, the multi-ton whale in the room is that there still haven't been any arrests or serious repercussions, not least due to illegally redacting all the perps names.

The reason behind the actions of the democrats should be explored, but they are not priority number one and certainly not a reason to let the current administration get off scot free.
 
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The reason behind the actions of the democrats should be explored, but they are not priority number one and certainly not a reason to let the current administration get off scot free.
Don’t be absurd, of course it is.
 
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Is there anyone willing to take a stab at this asked earlier:
""The congresswoman (Lauren Boebert) met Wednesday with Justice Department and FBI officials who tried, unsuccessfully, to persuade her to withdraw her name, according to a source familiar with the meeting."

Now why would the DOJ and the FBI be part of an attempt to persuade Boebart from voting yes and releasing the files?
Why is the DOJ and the FBI there at the Whitehouse as part of an arm twisting meeting to get Boebart to NOT vote for releasing anything Epstein?

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
 
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The Biden Administration’s apparent possession of the Jeffrey Epstein files—combined with its failure to aggressively investigate or fully release them—raises serious questions about transparency, justice, and equal application of the law.
Did Garland's DOJ ever actually say anything about the Epstein case files?
Conservatives have long argued that government power becomes most dangerous when it shields the politically connected while claiming moral authority over everyone else.
They have? I must have missed that part.
The Epstein case appears to fit that pattern.

Jeffrey Epstein was not a minor criminal operating in isolation. He moved among elites in politics, finance, media, and global institutions. His crimes were facilitated by access, influence, and protection—none of which could exist without systemic failure.
He certainly did know a lot of rich, powerful, and famous people and from some of the recently released emails some of those people were at least somewhat aware of what Epstein was doing with teens/young women and with more awareness than many have let on in public *before* JE's private emails with them were released.

The problem is how do you go from an email that hints at a crime to charging and conviction for that crime. The files are full of insinuations of things that are criminal and some of them probably are referring to actual crimes, but how do you prove them in court?
If federal agencies possess files that identify accomplices, enablers, or beneficiaries, withholding them undermines public trust and suggests that some individuals remain untouchable.

If this was going on widely in his household (and it seems that it was) how do you prosecute without minor enablers (like household staff) providing evidence? The public accounts are from victims and some were horrific enough to get accomplice #1 (Maxwell) convicted and sentenced to prison for a long time.

Remember that these files are from a criminal investigation and if the investigators don't have material to make solid charges against people, what are they other than harassors of the guilty looking? Not filling charges that cannot be substantiated is part of justice too.
The Biden Administration frequently spoke about defending democracy, protecting women, and holding the powerful accountable. Yet silence and inaction on Epstein contradict those stated values. This not incompetence, but a selective enforcement. When justice is applied unevenly, it ceases to be justice at all. Law enforcement should not operate on a double standard—one for ordinary citizens and another for insiders.

Even these releases don't tell us enough about what DOJ prosecutors where thinking and what they knew to make that sort of assessment.
Moreover, refusing transparency fuels the belief that the federal government serves entrenched interests rather than the people. The Epstein case transcends party lines; it concerns victims, accountability, and moral clarity. Releasing the files—redacted only where legally necessary—would demonstrate confidence in the truth and respect for the public.
I agree.
Which is what Trump is doing.
It is not. There are solid reasons to think that there are releasable documents that haven't been released and there are definitely redactions that are not needed and violate the law.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If no one powerful is implicated, transparency would confirm it. If wrongdoing exists, justice demands exposure regardless of status or ideology. The continued secrecy instead suggests fear—not of misinformation, but of what the truth might reveal. In a nation founded on the rule of law, that is unacceptable.
Is this continued secrecy or is "Trump releasing the documents"? Please pick a lane.
Donald Trump was the most investigated president by Congress in modern U.S. history, both in number, duration, and breadth of subject matter. Yet not one investigation into the Epstein files that the Democrats had in their possession and control.

  • Russia / 2016 election interference (House & Senate Intelligence)
  • Two impeachment investigations (Ukraine 2019; January 6, 2021)
  • House Oversight investigations into finances, emoluments, and ethics
  • House Judiciary obstruction inquiries
  • House Select Committee on January 6
  • Judiciary (obstruction, executive power)
  • Oversight & Reform (business dealings, security clearances)
  • Ways & Means (tax returns)
  • Foreign Affairs (Ukraine, diplomacy)
  • Intelligence (additional Russia follow-ups)
  • Some investigations were reopened, expanded, or duplicated across chambers (House vs. Senate), pushing the total closer to 20 if counted separately.
Not interested in your litany of Trump's persecution complaints.
 
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If there was something in the Epstein files that showed illegal activity = it would have ended his run for office - they fought tooth and nail to stop him from running 91 felonies - etc etc.

Why didn't they release the info?
Irrelevant. The ball is in the Trump administration’s court and Bondi can’t bring herself to talk about it. Why?
 
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Irrelevant. The ball is in the Trump administration’s court and Bondi can’t bring herself to talk about it. Why?
What are talking about - she just testified for hours before congress.

She has been in office a year - the Biden DOJ had the files for four years and did nothing with them - talk about not brining themselves to talk about it!
 
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What are talking about - she just testified for hours before congress.
It was less "testimony" and more "Mean Girls" play acting.
She has been in office a year - the Biden DOJ had the files for four years and did nothing with them - talk about not brining themselves to talk about it!
The current DOJ leadership has publicly *lied* about the content. First they say there is no one to prosecute, then they release info that there certainly seems to be.

I've seen nothing from your posts that suggests you actually care about the case, why it might not be progressing, or the issues it implies. Instead we just get more of your political attack and deflect mode. Sigh.
 
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No it wouldn’t.
So far I am not aware of anything in "the files" about Trump that wasn't already reported, certainly before the 2024 election, most of it before 2020, and quite a bit of it before the 2016 election. The best document of Trump's creepiness with teens is not in "the files" as Epstein wasn't around when he was barging into the pageant changing rooms and the like.

If there is documentation of Epstein's "model parties" and related activities (with or without Trump) they haven't been released at all. There are some "hints" in emails from various creapos that suggest that they participated in or saw something similar, but it is very indirect. (And Trump notoriously does not use email.)
 
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What are talking about - she just testified for hours before congress.
No, she was there to insult people and try and change the subject from Epstein and his victims to the great success of the stock market. That was a disaster of a testimony.
 
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What are talking about - she just testified for hours before congress.

She has been in office a year - the Biden DOJ had the files for four years and did nothing with them - talk about not brining themselves to talk about it!
She just used the microphone to insult others snd boast about Trump. She could not even turn to face the victims. Do you think they were satisfied with her “testimony “?
 
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It was less "testimony" and more "Mean Girls" play acting.
Thanks for your opinion - seems to be bereave of facts -
The current DOJ leadership has publicly *lied* about the content. First they say there is no one to prosecute, then they release info that there certainly seems to be.
"seems to be" is not proof of anything
I've seen nothing from your posts that suggests you actually care about the case, why it might not be progressing, or the issues it implies. Instead we just get more of your political attack and deflect mode. Sigh.
The OP very clearly states my cares and concern regarding the case and the Biden Administration did NOTHING for four years making no progress whatsoever - ignoring all these victims, which does not seem to bother you at all. Instead we just get more of a personal attack and deflect mode. sigh....
No it wouldn’t.
Because there is nothing there - that is what makes it a hoax and that is why the 800 pound gorilla is in the room
 
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Thanks for your opinion - seems to be bereave of facts -

"seems to be" is not proof of anything

The OP very clearly states my cares and concern regarding the case and the Biden Administration did NOTHING for four years making no progress whatsoever - ignoring all these victims, which does not seem to bother you at all. Instead we just get more of a personal attack and deflect mode. sigh....

Because there is nothing there - that is what makes it a hoax and that is why the 800 pound gorilla is in the room
That’s funny.

I don’t remember you ever bringing up the Epstein case in the 4 years Biden was president. He’s been out of office for over a year now. Why is this suddenly such a concern to you now that it appears Trump is being implicated in this case and his attorney general is covering for him and his wealthy friends and associates of Epstein?
 
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Thanks for your opinion - seems to be bereave of facts -

"seems to be" is not proof of anything

The OP very clearly states my cares and concern regarding the case and the Biden Administration did NOTHING for four years making no progress whatsoever - ignoring all these victims, which does not seem to bother you at all. Instead we just get more of a personal attack and deflect mode. sigh....

Because there is nothing there - that is what makes it a hoax and that is why the 800 pound gorilla is in the room
He’s been found guilty in a civil court of sexual assault and still people think “he’s our man”.

What on Earth makes you think that him sexually assaulting someone else is gonna bother people who think he’s the guy for them?

They’re demonstrably fine with his behaviour.
 
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Thanks for your opinion - seems to be bereave of facts -

"seems to be" is not proof of anything

The OP very clearly states my cares and concern regarding the case and the Biden Administration did NOTHING for four years making no progress whatsoever - ignoring all these victims, which does not seem to bother you at all. Instead we just get more of a personal attack and deflect mode. sigh....

Because there is nothing there - that is what makes it a hoax and that is why the 800 pound gorilla is in the room
That has got to be the best typo I have seen in a long time. I know it was not intentional but bravo anyways.
 
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That’s funny.

I don’t remember you ever bringing up the Epstein case in the 4 years Biden was president. He’s been out of office for over a year now. Why is this suddenly such a concern to you now that it appears Trump is being implicated in this case and his attorney general is covering for him and his wealthy friends and associates of Epstein?
Nope - I didn't post about it - thanks for stalking - because Biden shoved it so far down in the tombs - no one did. And that is the point of the thread.
He’s been found guilty in a civil court of sexual assault and still people think “he’s our man”.

What on Earth makes you think that him sexually assaulting someone else is gonna bother people who think he’s the guy for them?

They’re demonstrably fine with his behaviour.
Unfortunately - he was and still is the best option there was - head and shoulders above anything the Democratic party offered - has to make you wonder...
 
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Unfortunately - he was and still is the best option there was - head and shoulders above anything the Democratic party offered - has to make you wonder...
You [Republicans] had the opportunity to pick someone else before he ever faced off against a Democrat.
 
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It was less "testimony" and more "Mean Girls" play acting.

The current DOJ leadership has publicly *lied* about the content. First they say there is no one to prosecute, then they release info that there certainly seems to be.

I've seen nothing from your posts that suggests you actually care about the case, why it might not be progressing, or the issues it implies. Instead we just get more of your political attack and deflect mode. Sigh.
Bondi even had a cheat book of insults. Pathetic.
 
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