Federal agents kill Alex Pretti

BPPLEE · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
That's not related to the events of the situation. That's like saying, "If you don't want a traffic ticket, stay at home."

That is far into the situation, not at the immediate start of the situation when the question is about whether proper tactics and necessary force was being used on the woman in the first place. Ask that question.

Otherwise, you're taking the stance that "whatever tactics or force the police use is acceptable."

I lean towards believing that the shooting was not justified, but I have seen a video and still shot that shows Pretti reaching for the holster and grabbing a magazine he had in his hand. The agents could have mistaken it for a gun.
As far as how the whole thing started there was a woman that was pushed and she grabbed onto Pretti to keep from falling, then he tried to help the woman who was pushed down and pepper sprayed. I don’t agree with other actions he took but in this instance he wasn’t doing anything wrong when he got caught up in it when the woman grabbed him. I am a retired LEO and I question what I see the agent doing spraying pepper spray designed for a crowd inches from the woman’s face. I never had a large can like that, I used pepper spray frequently but never that close to someon’s face and never from a riot size can

Belk · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
There are all kinds of "experts," but it is basic law enforcement policy to keep a situation under control. One thing they are taught is to never assume they are dealing with one person acting alone. In Minneapolis they even knew ahead of time that people were working in groups and there were death threats against them. And they knew Minneapolis police would only show up after a crime was committed and they were called. An extremely reckless and foolish move by Pretti.

So the answer appears to be you do not know of any experts (no need for scare quotes) and are instead offering your lay mans opinion.

Hans Blaster · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
Nothing has changed. For the last hundred years if you ram your car into a law enforcement officer or resist arrest and you have gun on you the chances of being shot go way way up. Those officers have a duty to protect those around them.

What does this have to do with the topic?

There is no car in the Pretti killing, nor does he "resist arrest". He was attacked by the CBP officer, not the other way around.

Valletta said:
Walz and Frey and the rest need to change their message, they need to warn people not to attack law enforcement officers or resist arrest. Remind them we are a nation of laws and no one has a right to pick and choose which laws to obey. The two not only have refused to do so, Frey has deliberately removed Minneapolis police to be the buffer between ICE and agitators, knowing there would be violence. Even after one person was killed, even after two, he won't budge. It's not him who is dying. It's the same mentality in New York City where they let people freeze to death rather than force them into shelters. Deliberate acts, they stick with the political narrative no matter how many victims suffer as a result. To them the end justifies the means.

FreeinChrist · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
The investigation is not over. But Pretti created an extremely dangerous situation, that is, he made the likelihood of someone being shot much greater. Let me say this to all again, even if you think the officer is in the wrong, comply with orders. You can always file a lawsuit later. Why aren't we hearing this from Walz and Frey?

No, he really didn't create it. ICE has created the the situation with their overboard hostile actions with other people, some who are American citizens and legal residents along with some illegal immigrants. Ice didn't need to act as they did. There was no call to shoot. ICE is behaving in an unprofessional way.

LeafByNiggle · Feb 11, 2026

rjs330 said:
No, I think that was a calculated risk. However, if one of them was carrying a gun and then attempted to interfere with an officer making an arrst and laid his hands on the officer, then resisted arrest and ended up shot, I would say the same thing.

(This is in response to my question: "Let me ask you something about illegal protests. Do you think the people were foolish who refused to obey state troopers' orders not to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965, and were subsequently beaten unconscious with batons and tear-gassed when they tried to cross anyway? Or are you on the side of the state troopers in that incident?")

Well, if you don't think those illegal protestors were being "foolish" but were just taking a "calculated risk", then why can't you say the same about Alex Pretti, coming to interfere with what he (and many others) consider immoral actions by Federal officers. He was making a calculated risk for the sake of something greater than his own safety. Yet you say he was "foolish".

LeafByNiggle · Feb 11, 2026

rjs330 said:
No aiding and abetting criminals to escape is a crime. No matter how you do it.

Which criminal was the crowd with Alex Pretti aiding and abetting?

DaisyDay · Feb 11, 2026

rjs330 said:
You need to stop making false statements or stupid things like that.

Wow. You need to stop accusing people here.

rjs330 said:
He wasn't shot simply because he was carrying a gun.

We know. So why keep bringing it up as though he were?

rjs330 said:
While he was running around on the street no agent shot him. Amazing. It wasnt until he obstructed and assaulted an agent by putting his hands in him that the agents grabbed him. Then he resisted arrest. ALL while carrying a gun. A Foolish and stupid act, which then led to whatever happened where the agents rightly or wrongly thought deadly force was necessary.

And, once more, what did his having a gun got to do with the BCP shooting him in the back ten times? Particularly when he didn't have the gun by that point?

rjs330 said:
So quit making dumb statements.

Take your own advice.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

FreeinChrist said:
No, he really didn't create it. ICE has created the the situation with their overboard hostile actions with other people, some who are American citizens and legal residents along with some illegal immigrants. Ice didn't need to act as they did. There was no call to shoot. ICE is behaving in an unprofessional way.

The current actions of ICE are not necessary to carry out the deportations. The deportation actions by prior administrations prove that.

This is performative. Trump has a reason for ICE to display "shock and awe" in this way beyond merely rounding up and shipping out illegal immigrants.

DaisyDay · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
The current actions of ICE are not necessary to carry out the deportations. The deportation actions by prior administrations prove that.

This is performative. Trump has a reason for ICE to display "shock and awe" in this way beyond merely rounding up and shipping out illegal immigrants.

People are saying that Donald J Trump wants to provoke civil unrest to provide an excuse for invoking the Insurrection Act, sending in more military possibly declaring martial law before the mid-term elections which are predicted to go badly for MAGA.

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

LeafByNiggle said:
(This is in response to my question: "Let me ask you something about illegal protests. Do you think the people were foolish who refused to obey state troopers' orders not to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965, and were subsequently beaten unconscious with batons and tear-gassed when they tried to cross anyway? Or are you on the side of the state troopers in that incident?")

Well, if you don't think those illegal protestors were being "foolish" but were just taking a "calculated risk", then why can't you say the same about Alex Pretti, coming to interfere with what he (and many others) consider immoral actions by Federal officers. He was making a calculated risk for the sake of something greater than his own safety. Yet you say he was "foolish".

Pretti was at least foolish and reckless. Having no ID has been a tactic of agitators who expect or believe it is likely they will get arrested. And bringing a gun and 63 rounds of ammunition to a likely confrontation with law enforcement is reckless. I consider the actions of the Biden administration immoral, exploiting people for future votes, setting up a system where a huge percentage of women on their way here were raped, where hundreds of thousand of people were trafficked, where children were abandoned to non-relatives and hardened criminals and terrorists were allowed into our country to prey upon the population. It never occurred to me to throw rocks and ice and spit at those who enforced those politics, nor to bring a gun with me if I planning to confront them.

LeafByNiggle · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
Pretti was at least foolish and reckless. Having no ID has been a tactic of agitators who expect or believe it is likely they will get arrested. And bringing a gun and 63 rounds of ammunition to a likely confrontation with law enforcement is reckless. I consider the actions of the Biden administration immoral, exploiting people for future votes, setting up a system where a huge percentage of women on their way here were raped, where hundreds of thousand of people were trafficked, where children were abandoned to non-relatives and hardened criminals and terrorists were allowed into our country to prey upon the population. It never occurred to me to throw rocks and ice and spit at those who enforced those politics, nor to bring a gun with me if I planning to confront them.

I guess you would not have dared to confront state troopers on the Edmund Pettus Bridge like they did either. That does not make them bad. In fact I consider them heroes for putting their lives on the line for what they believed in. And I must remind you that not carrying one's permit is a petty misdemeanor and certainly no reason to limit his 1st amendment right of free speech any more than an unarmed person. And it made no difference in the outcome because they shot him when he had no gun.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
Pretti was at least foolish and reckless. Having no ID has been a tactic of agitators who expect or believe it is likely they will get arrested.

Really? Got a source for that? Having no ID is known to give ICE an excuse to "disappear" someone, so I doubt that's true.

Valletta said:
And bringing a gun and 63 rounds of ammunition to a likely confrontation with law enforcement is reckless.

But even if so (and not proven), not criminal.

Valletta said:
I consider the actions of the Biden administration immoral, exploiting people for future votes, setting up a system where a huge percentage of women on their way here were raped, where hundreds of thousand of people were trafficked, where children were abandoned to non-relatives and hardened criminals and terrorists were allowed into our country to prey upon the population. It never occurred to me to throw rocks and ice and spit at those who enforced those politics, nor to bring a gun with me if I planning to confront them.

Not relevant to this case.

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

LeafByNiggle said:
I guess you would not have dared to confront state troopers on the Edmund Pettus Bridge like they did either. That does not make them bad. In fact I consider them heroes for putting their lives on the line for what they believed in. And I must remind you that not carrying one's permit is a petty misdemeanor and certainly no reason to limit his 1st amendment right of free speech any more than an unarmed person. And it made no difference in the outcome because they shot him when he had no gun.

You don't know me well enough to guess about what I would dare. There is no reason to remind me of what is a misdemeanor or not. You need to understand that just because something is legal does not prevent it from being reckless or foolish. Pretti did have a gun, obviously the big factor will be if the officers who fired knew that gun had been removed a full second before the first shot.

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
Not relevant to this case.

It was you who tried to justify the actions of Pretti by saying he considered the actions of Federal officers as immoral. I responded by saying I think the actions of the Biden administration were immoral.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
It was you who tried to justify the actions of Pretti by saying he considered the actions of Federal officers as immoral. I responded by saying I think the actions of the Biden administration were immoral.

I searched in vain for Biden's name in the title of this thread.

LeafByNiggle · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
You don't know me well enough to guess about what I would dare.

Sorry for assuming.

Pommer · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
It was you who tried to justify the actions of Pretti by saying he considered the actions of Federal officers as immoral. I responded by saying I think the actions of the Biden administration were immoral.

Admitting to a rank “whataboutism” to make your point is an own goal.

rjs330 · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
That's not related to the events of the situation. That's like saying, "If you don't want a traffic ticket, stay at home."

I don't think thats an applicable example at all. Its more like if you don't want to take a chance at getting a DUI don't drink and drive.

RDKirk said:
That is far into the situation, not at the immediate start of the situation when the question is about whether proper tactics and necessary force was being used on the woman in the first place. Ask that question.

I don't really know. Because I didn't see everything that went on with her and didn't hear what they and she was saying.

RDKirk said:
Otherwise, you're taking the stance that "whatever tactics or force the police use is acceptable."

Except I'm not taking that stance. My stance is quite clear. I am not going to make a call solely on a 2D video that does not capture all the facts in this case. Once I know everything the officers did, heard, said and believed I can make an informed decision.

GoldenBoy89 · Feb 11, 2026

Vambram said:
The ability to find and track federal law enforcement officers in order to obstruct them.

They’re not hard to find when there is 3000 of them driving around your city looking for people to arrest. Just look for the guys dressed for war and acting like it too.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

rjs330 said:
I don't think thats an applicable example at all. Its more like if you don't want to take a chance at getting a DUI don't drink and drive.

No. Drinking and driving is illegal. Licensed carry is legal.

rjs330 said:
I don't really know. Because I didn't see everything that went on with her and didn't hear what they and she was saying.

rjs330 said:
Except I'm not taking that stance. My stance is quite clear. I am not going to make a call solely on a 2D video that does not capture all the facts in this case. Once I know everything the officers did, heard, said and believed I can make an informed decision.

So, you're not going to say that Pretti was wrong, then. Okay.

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