Federal agents kill Alex Pretti

LeafByNiggle · Feb 10, 2026

Valletta said:
In Minneapolis the law is that you need a permit for amplified sound exceeding conversational levels at a distance of 50 feet. But since the anti-ICE people are aligned with the Democratic Party there are no repercussions at all for the excessive honking of horns and blowing of whistles

Neither of those are instances of "amplified sound" which refers to electronic amplification, as in boom boxes.

Valletta said:
It's the same with blocking the freeway,

I never said that blocking freeways was legal. But I would like your take on the question I put to rjs330:

Let me ask you something about illegal protests. Do you think the people were foolish who refused to obey state troopers' orders not to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965, and were subsequently beaten unconscious with batons and tear-gassed when they tried to cross anyway? Or are you on the side of the state troopers in that incident?

Hans Blaster · Feb 10, 2026

Valletta said:
In Minneapolis the law is that you need a permit for amplified sound exceeding conversational levels at a distance of 50 feet. But since the anti-ICE people are aligned with the Democratic Party there are no repercussions at all for the excessive honking of horns and blowing of whistles, whereas if it were a conservative group you can bet they would each be receiving $1000 fines. It's the same with blocking the freeway, Frey let Black Lives Matter block the freeway, people don't realize how close this action came to getting people killed. No jail time, no fines, nothing. Even when they beat up a truck driver who did an incredible job avoiding collisions. This is the two-tiered justice system. The whistles and horns, at a level where they become illegal, can severely interfere with law enforcement actions. Each interference in the middle of a law enforcement action makes the situation more dangerous for EVERYONE in the area. Frey's refusal to allow police to stop the interference is reckless at best. The results have been tragic.

A whistle is not "amplified sound", nor is shouting.

Valletta · Feb 10, 2026

LeafByNiggle said:
Neither of those are instances of "amplified sound" which refers to electronic amplification, as in boom boxes.

Definition of AMPLIFY

to expand (something, such as a statement) by the use of detail or illustration or by closer analysis; to make larger or greater (as in amount, importance, or intensity) : increase; to increase the strength or amount of; especially : to make louder… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

LeafByNiggle said:
Let me ask you something about illegal protests. Do you think the people were foolish who refused to obey state troopers' orders not to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965, and were subsequently beaten unconscious with batons and tear-gassed when they tried to cross anyway? Or are you on the side of the state troopers in that incident?

Doesn't ring a bell. I mentioned $1000 fines.

Valletta · Feb 10, 2026

FreeinChrist said:
I am glad you agree Pretti did not deserve to be shot. Protesting is not a crime. Taking videos is not a crime. The worst he did that day was step between an ICE agent who was pushed a woman down and was going after her with apparent mean intent. No weapon in hand.

It was hard to tell, from one video it looked like he grabbed the officer and then lifted his arms and backed up a little. But at least he stepped in front of an officer. Realize law enforcement, once they start a law enforcement operation, are trained to safely secure the immediate area. Your speculation about an officer with "apparent mean intent" is just that--mere speculation. What law abiding citizens do if they think an officer acts out of emotion is file a complaint so that if it is the case the law officer is brought up on charges. It is extremely dangerous and reckless to interfere with law enforcement or to disobey commands because officer's are trained to make the immediate area safe. This is what Frey and Walz should be emphasizing to their base. Pretti at least blocked the officers view of the woman he pushed, she could have pulled out a gun and shot everyone dead, citizens and officers, before the officer saw anything. Those kinds of possibilities are why officers are, in such situations, are trained to quickly use force to secure the immediate area. Officers Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez had many years of experience.

Pommer · Feb 10, 2026

Valletta said:
It was hard to tell, from one video it looked like he grabbed the officer and then lifted his arms and backed up a little. But at least he stepped in front of an officer. Realize law enforcement, once they start a law enforcement operation, are trained to safely secure the immediate area. Your speculation about an officer with "apparent mean intent" is just that--mere speculation. What law abiding citizens do if they think an officer acts out of emotion is file a complaint so that if it is the case the law officer is brought up on charges. It is extremely dangerous and reckless to interfere with law enforcement or to disobey commands because officers are trained to make the immediate area safe. This is what Frey and Walz should be emphasizing to their base. Pretti at least blocked the officers view of the woman he pushed, she could have pulled out a gun and shot everyone dead, citizens and officers, before the officer saw anything. Those kinds of possibilities are why officers are, in such situations, are trained to quickly use force to secure the immediate area.

Right I get it.
Pretti gave the Agents no choice but to put ten bullets into him from behind, after he had been disarmed.
Enjoy your evening.

rjs330 · Feb 10, 2026

LeafByNiggle said:
If no one is making that claim then why is the fact of his gun being featured as someone relevant to his killing?

You were originally responding to someone who mentioned he was carrying a gun. You said.

That wasn't an excuse.....

You need to stop making false statements or stupid things like that. He wasn't shot simply because he was carrying a gun. While he was running around on the street no agent shot him. Amazing. It wasnt until he obstructed and assaulted an agent by putting his hands in him that the agents grabbed him. Then he resisted arrest. ALL while carrying a gun. A Foolish and stupid act, which then led to whatever happened where the agents rightly or wrongly thought deadly force was necessary.

So quit making dumb statements.

LeafByNiggle said:
I noticed that stopped short of saying it is illegal, as you should.

I was using your word. Its not appropriate. I think its illegal.

LeafByNiggle said:
That depends on what they consider interfering. They say that alerting the community with whistles is interfering with their duties because it gives the undocumented people warning and a chance to hide. But if that activity is interfering, it is a form of interfering that is protected by the Constitution.

I dont think it is. I believe it is time to test this theory. Its a proven fact that it IS what they are doing. They admit it. Thats obstructing.

LeafByNiggle said:
In totally legal ways.

No aiding and abetting criminals to escape is a crime. No matter how you do it.

LeafByNiggle said:
These people are not robbing a bank.

Irrelevant I evant. They are criminals trying to escape police.

LeafByNiggle said:
Do you think the people were foolish who refused to obey state troopers' orders not to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965, and were subsequently beaten unconscious with batons and tear-gassed when they tried to cross anyway?

No, I think that was a calculated risk. However, if one of them was carrying a gun and then attempted to interfere with an officer making an arrst and laid his hands on the officer, then resisted arrest and ended up shot, I would say the same thing.

rjs330 · Feb 10, 2026

Pommer said:
Right I get it.
Pretti gave the Agents no choice but to put ten bullets into him from behind, after he had been disarmed.
Enjoy your evening.

No we understand. You and others here seemed bound and determined to twist and misrepresent what we are saying. It borders on ill intent at this point.

Valletta · Feb 10, 2026

Pommer said:
Right I get it.
Pretti gave the Agents no choice but to put ten bullets into him from behind, after he had been disarmed.
Enjoy your evening.

The investigation is not over. But Pretti created an extremely dangerous situation, that is, he made the likelihood of someone being shot much greater. Let me say this to all again, even if you think the officer is in the wrong, comply with orders. You can always file a lawsuit later. Why aren't we hearing this from Walz and Frey?

Belk · Feb 10, 2026

Valletta said:
It was hard to tell, from one video it looked like he grabbed the officer and then lifted his arms and backed up a little. But at least he stepped in front of an officer. Realize law enforcement, once they start a law enforcement operation, are trained to safely secure the immediate area. Your speculation about an officer with "apparent mean intent" is just that--mere speculation. What law abiding citizens do if they think an officer acts out of emotion is file a complaint so that if it is the case the law officer is brought up on charges.

So your claim is they should do something that it is not possible to do with federal agents?

Valletta said:
It is extremely dangerous and reckless to interfere with law enforcement or to disobey commands because officer's are trained to make the immediate area safe. This is what Frey and Walz should be emphasizing to their base. Pretti at least blocked the officers view of the woman he pushed, she could have pulled out a gun and shot everyone dead, citizens and officers, before the officer saw anything. Those kinds of possibilities are why officers are, in such situations, are trained to quickly use force to secure the immediate area. Officers Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez had many years of experience.

According to what use of force expert?

Belk · Feb 10, 2026

Valletta said:
The investigation is not over. But Pretti created an extremely dangerous situation, that is, he made the likelihood of someone being shot much greater. Let me say this to all again, even if you think the officer is in the wrong, comply with orders. You can always file a lawsuit later. Why aren't we hearing this from Walz and Frey?

I do not find this claim credible. What police expert has stated this?

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

Belk said:
I do not find this claim credible. What police expert has stated this?

There are all kinds of "experts," but it is basic law enforcement policy to keep a situation under control. One thing they are taught is to never assume they are dealing with one person acting alone. In Minneapolis they even knew ahead of time that people were working in groups and there were death threats against them. And they knew Minneapolis police would only show up after a crime was committed and they were called. An extremely reckless and foolish move by Pretti.

Aryeh Jay · Feb 11, 2026

Belk said:
I do not find this claim credible. What police expert has stated this?

The Secretary of Homeland Security.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Feb 11, 2026

From Trump supporters. From your beliefs, I could shoot and kill someone, that spit on me and destroyed my vehicle a week ago. Or I can shoot this guy in the back for helping a woman, that got pepper sprayed, by ICE officers.

Aryeh Jay · Feb 11, 2026

It's good to know that the next Democrat Administration will not have to worry about Republicans standing in their way and impending future "law enforcement "

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
From Trump supporters . From your beliefs, I could shoot and kill someone, that spit on me and destroyed my vehicle a week ago .Or I can can shoot this guy in the back for helping a women ,that got pepper sprayed, by ICE officers.Keep lying to yourself about this murder. That's your lie

Nothing has changed. For the last hundred years if you ram your car into a law enforcement officer or resist arrest and you have gun on you the chances of being shot go way way up. Those officers have a duty to protect those around them. Walz and Frey and the rest need to change their message, they need to warn people not to attack law enforcement officers or resist arrest. Remind them we are a nation of laws and no one has a right to pick and choose which laws to obey. The two not only have refused to do so, Frey has deliberately removed Minneapolis police to be the buffer between ICE and agitators, knowing there would be violence. Even after one person was killed, even after two, he won't budge. It's not him who is dying. It's the same mentality in New York City where they let people freeze to death rather than force them into shelters. Deliberate acts, they stick with the political narrative no matter how many victims suffer as a result. To them the end justifies the means.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

Valletta said:
There are all kinds of "experts," but it is basic law enforcement policy to keep a situation under control. One thing they are taught is to never assume they are dealing with one person acting alone. In Minneapolis they even knew ahead of time that people were working in groups and there were death threats against them. And they knew Minneapolis police would only show up after a crime was committed and they were called. An extremely reckless and foolish move by Pretti.

I can't find a single witness of an LEO on record who has studied those videos and supports the specific actions of those officers. I have found those who say "that's not how I was trained" and "that's not what I would have done."

rjs330 · Feb 11, 2026

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
From Trump supporters . From your beliefs, I could shoot and kill someone, that spit on me and destroyed my vehicle a week ago .Or I can can shoot this guy in the back for helping a women ,that got pepper sprayed, by ICE officers.Keep lying to yourself about this murder. That's your lie

Are you referring to us on this forum or someone else?

rjs330 · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
I can't find a single witness of an LEO on record who has studied those videos and supports the specific actions of those officers. I have found those who say "that's not how I was trained" and "that's not what I would have done."

I have seen experts regarding this situation who have said Pretti should have stayed out of it while wearing a gun. I also have seen LEO experts talk about what happened and wgat could have caused officers to think he may have fired a shot. What every one of tgem have said is they don't know if it was a justifiable shooting or not. Because we don't have all the information. We gave NO idea what the officers there heard, saw, or believed that day. And THAT is what matters. All Monday morning quarterbacks who stake the claim it was unlawful OR lawful use of force are illegitimate. We DO NOT have all the information. I don't know if it was a lawful shoot or not.

But it still remains that if Pretti would have stayed out it and not done illegal things while carrying a gun, he would be alive today so he could yell and scream at agents, spit at them and damage more of their vehicles. Hopefully while not wearing a gun.

RDKirk · Feb 11, 2026

rjs330 said:
I have seen experts regarding this situation who have said Pretti should have stayed out of it while wearing a gun.

That's not related to the events of the situation. That's like saying, "If you don't want a traffic ticket, stay at home."

rjs330 said:
I also have seen LEO experts talk about what happened and wgat could have caused officers to think he may have fired a shot.

That is far into the situation, not at the immediate start of the situation when the question is about whether proper tactics and necessary force was being used on the woman in the first place. Ask that question.

Otherwise, you're taking the stance that "whatever tactics or force the police use is acceptable."

Valletta · Feb 11, 2026

RDKirk said:
I can't find a single witness of an LEO on record who has studied those videos and supports the specific actions of those officers. I have found those who say "that's not how I was trained" and "that's not what I would have done."

All encounters are different, an assessment is made on the ground based on what is said, how people are responding once they are given a command. It's hard to excuse the actions of the mayor and the governor in continuing to push for violence.

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