Another look at the moon landing.

prodromos · Wednesday at 5:37 AM

Apple Sky said:
If you were an ancient person, anytime anyone ever mentioned “seven stars,” you would know EXACTLY which seven stars they were talking about: THE SEVEN STARS ARE THE SUN, THE MOON, MERCURY, VENUS, MARS, JUPITER, AND SATURN.

The ancients also thought they were gods. They were wrong about that too.

Apple Sky said:
And cannot be landed on, impossible.

We have successfully landed on the moon and on Mars. Russia has also had probes land on Venus which lasted almost an hour in the excessive heat and pressure of the atmosphere. Facts don't care about what you do or don't believe.

Apple Sky said:
What is a star ?
AI Overview
A star is a massive, luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity, primarily composed of hydrogen and helium. They generate immense heat and light through nuclear fusion in their cores, converting hydrogen into helium. Stars, including our Sun, are born in nebulas and vary in size, color, and temperature,

Since the ancients were mistaken in their belief of what the planets were, I'm not sure what you think your point is.

David Lamb · Wednesday at 5:50 AM

Apple Sky said:
Job 37:18
I know what some have said about this verse but I can't believe that is just metaphoric.

It is not a case of whether or not the verse is metaphoric. The verse doesn't even mention the firmament, nor was the Hebrew word raqia used. The verse is about the sky or skies:

“With Him, have you spread out the skies, Strong as a cast metal mirror?” (Job 37:18 NKJV)

David Lamb · Wednesday at 5:53 AM

Apple Sky said:
MARS ANOMALIES

sorry, but how does posting yet another you tube video answer my point about the photo not being one from NASA?

contratodo · Wednesday at 6:19 AM

Hentenza said:
Nope. A rock has no source of energy to provide light. This is also fully proven but you can certainly offer evidence to prove your theory (

That the moon gives off its own cooler light is easily testable and proven using an infrared thermometer. The moon is not a rock it is a plasma.

Hentenza · Wednesday at 6:35 AM

contratodo said:
That the moon gives off its own cooler light is easily testable and proven using an infrared thermometer. The moon is not a rock it is a plasma.

No. The moon is not plasma. Here is a quick AI in the composition of the moon.

The Moon’s surface is primarily composed of
oxygen ($\sim$45%), silicon, magnesium, iron, calcium, and aluminum, forming silicate rocks like basalt in dark maria and anorthosite in bright highlands. The entire surface is covered by a layer of fine, powdery dust and shattered rock called regolith, created by constant micrometeorite bombardment.
Key Surface Composition & Features

Regolith:
A fine-grained, sharp dust layer, composed of rock fragments and glassy globules formed by impacts.
- Maria (Dark Areas): Composed of solidified basaltic lava, rich in iron and titanium.
- Highlands (Light Areas): Composed of anorthosite, an aluminum-rich igneous rock representing the older lunar crust.
- Volcanic Features: Contains domes and rilles formed by past volcanic activity.
- Impact Craters: Abundant craters of all sizes covering the surface.

Chemical and Physical Properties

Elemental Composition: By weight, the surface is approximately 43% oxygen, 20% silicon, 19% magnesium, 10% iron, 3% calcium, and 3% aluminum.
Minerals: Major minerals include plagioclase feldspar, pyroxene, and olivine.
Lack of Water: The Moon is generally dry, unlike icy moons, although water molecules have been detected.
Surface Weathering: "Space weathering" from micro-impacts and solar wind alters the dust over time.

Apple Sky · Wednesday at 7:00 AM

contratodo said:
That the moon gives off its own cooler light is easily testable and proven using an infrared thermometer. The moon is not a rock it is a plasma.

Thank you @contratodo I absalutly agree 100%.

Hentenza · Wednesday at 7:45 AM

Apple Sky said:
Thank you @contratodo I absalutly agree 100%.

So prove it. No YouTube videos.

Phil G · Wednesday at 8:03 AM

Apple Sky said:
If you were an ancient person, anytime anyone ever mentioned “seven stars,” you would know EXACTLY which seven stars they were talking about: THE SEVEN STARS ARE THE SUN, THE MOON, MERCURY, VENUS, MARS, JUPITER, AND SATURN.

And cannot be landed on, impossible.

What is a star ?
AI Overview
A star is a massive, luminous sphere of plasma held together by its own gravity, primarily composed of hydrogen and helium. They generate immense heat and light through nuclear fusion in their cores, converting hydrogen into helium. Stars, including our Sun, are born in nebulas and vary in size, color, and temperature,

Now you’re sounding very confused. You’re saying the sun and the moon are stars?

Well scientists agree on one of them anyway, the sun is a star.

But the moon isn’t. It’s a luminary for sure, but that word only means it shines. It doesn’t define the moon as being its own source of light.

The planets are different to stars. They “wander” which is why they are called “wandering” stars in Scripture. That is how they look to the human eye - stars that wander. The words used for “stars” in Scripture are not telling us what they are, only what they do, both physically and figuratively.

Sticking purely with scripture, in Job 38:7 (which is what God is recorded as saying) the stars “sang”.

Can stars literally sing? God says they do. But have you ever heard stars singing? I haven’t. What is said in this verse is figurative, that God’s own creation has been made by Him to be a witness to His glory and majesty.

You are now trying to mix two misunderstandings of science and Scripture to come up with a very confused argument.

Apple Sky · Wednesday at 8:23 AM

Phil G said:
Can stars literally sing? God says they do.

Well if God says they do that's good enough for me.

In the King James Version (KJV), Revelation 1:20 explicitly defines "the seven stars" as "the angels of the seven churches"

David Lamb · Wednesday at 8:27 AM

Apple Sky said:
Well if God says they do that's good enough for me.

In the King James Version (KJV), Revelation 1:20 explicitly defines "the seven stars" as "the angels of the seven churches"

It's picture language. God's word also mentions trees clapping their hands. Have you ever seen a tree with hands? As for Revelation 1:20, it's talking about things John had been shown in a vision:

““The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.” (Re 1:20 NKJV)

Phil G · Wednesday at 8:41 AM

Apple Sky said:
Well if God says they do that's good enough for me.

In the King James Version (KJV), Revelation 1:20 explicitly defines "the seven stars" as "the angels of the seven churches"

So now you’re contradicting yourself by saying that the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches (which in Revelation is obviously figurative rather than literally stars). So which is it?

And again God speaks figuratively about the stars singing.

You need to understand that there is a lot of figurative language in Scripture. And it takes time and study to sort that out in your head. Just reading the words and saying that’s literal is not taking the figurative and idiomatic sayings into account. Nor is it showing any willingness to actually do the work of Bible study,

NxNW · Wednesday at 9:06 AM

Apple Sky said:
All NASA's so called facts are lies & they produce really good fairy tale books & movies which are great for kids.

NASA's facts predicts solar eclipses down to the second they begin. I was there for both of them in the US, and they started exactly as predicted.

If they were lies, you could prove it.

contratodo · Wednesday at 9:12 AM

Hentenza said:
So prove it. No YouTube videos

Using an infrared thermometer one can measure the moon light. One will notice that the moon light is cooler than even the shaded spots at night. The moon gives off a cool light, the sun's light is hot. The Bible says they are two lights Genesis 1:14 and sincere science, an infrared thermometer test, proves it.

The AI stuff you posted has no proof beyond the supposed moon landing.

Hentenza · Wednesday at 9:49 AM

contratodo said:
Using an infrared thermometer one can measure the moon light. One will notice that the moon light is cooler than even the shaded spots at night. The moon gives off a cool light, the sun's light is hot. The Bible says they are two lights Genesis 1:14 and sincere science, an infrared thermometer test, proves it.

No. Is called radiative cooling and it’s normal.

contratodo said:
The AI stuff you posted has no proof beyond the supposed moon landing.

So says you. Here is every moon landing or orbit that ever was. Every time we orbited or landed a probe or a mission on the moon we learned more about the composition of the moon. Enjoy.

Every Mission to the Moon, Ever

It only takes a couple days to send most spacecraft to the Moon, so it's not surprising that humans have sent more missions there than anywhere else. The…

www.planetary.org

Apple Sky · Wednesday at 10:04 AM

contratodo said:
Using an infrared thermometer one can measure the moon light. One will notice that the moon light is cooler than even the shaded spots at night. The moon gives off a cool light, the sun's light is hot. The Bible says they are two lights Genesis 1:14 and sincere science, an infrared thermometer test, proves it.

Yes, thanks, I've actually watched a video of them doing this but like @Hentenza said 'no videos'

Hentenza · Wednesday at 10:16 AM

Apple Sky said:
Yes, thanks, I've actually watched a video of them doing this but like @Hentenza said 'no videos'

Because the YouTube videos that you usually post are nothing more than FE nonsense. If you actually watched a video about radiative cooling then you would know that the thermal thermometer evidence for the moon having its own light is nonsense. The moon reflects the sun’s light. Radiative cooling surfaces exposed to the open night sky lose heat rapidly, while covered surfaces are insulated, making them warmer. So using a thermal thermometer only proves radiative cooling.

Apple Sky · Wednesday at 10:34 AM

Phil G said:
Just reading the words and saying that’s literal is not taking the figurative and idiomatic sayings into account. Nor is it showing any willingness to actually do the work of Bible study,

Metaphors & poetry

Phil G · Wednesday at 10:38 AM

Apple Sky said:
Metaphors & poetry

No I’m not looking at yet another conspiracy theorist video. I’m well able to study Scripture using well tested and reliable resources such as interlinear Bibles, Bible concordances and dictionaries. It’s not hard. I don’t need deceivers who try to muddy the waters by misinterpreting the obvious.

Apple Sky · Wednesday at 11:31 AM

Phil G said:
No I’m not looking at yet another conspiracy theorist video. I’m well able to study Scripture using well tested and reliable resources such as interlinear Bibles, Bible concordances and dictionaries. It’s not hard. I don’t need deceivers who try to muddy the waters by misinterpreting the obvious.

Well stop saying I'm not taking metaphors & poetry into account.

Phil G · Wednesday at 11:38 AM

Apple Sky said:
Well stop saying I'm not taking metaphors & poetry into account.

But you obviously are not. You have a tendency to take some metaphors literally, as has been noted by others, not just me.

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