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Why do we do things not written in the Bible?
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And yet Jesus tells us in John 13 that this is a new commandment. Why is that? What makes it new?
“I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.””
John 13:34-35 NASB2020
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I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one
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There you go.
A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)
A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.
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None of the things you posted above are relevant. They have all been proven false by the early church's own writings.
It is a Scriptural fact that not all of Jesus' commands were written down. Some were taught directly to the apostles.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
John 21:25
And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
It is a historical fact that the apostles and all the early Christians worshiped God on Sundays. Here is an excerpt from one of these early writings:
The Didache, The Teachings of the Apostles
Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day.
But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. Fort his is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."
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I did actually, in my initial reply to you which you never responded to. But this question should go without saying because, you know, John 1:1, Matthew 28:19, these are foundational Gospel texts.
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Nope, as @Valletta said that’s totally false, Christianity did not become the state religion until AD 390 during the reign of Emperor Theodosius, at which time he smashed the Altar of Victory and closed the Pagan Temples.
Indeed as you have been told repeatedly, most of the Roman Emperors of the fourth century were not even Christian (in any form); rather, every one, except for Julian the Apostate (a neo-Platonist who tried to revive Paganism but made the mistake of releasing St. Athanasius, the Patriarch of Alexandria who as Protodeacon to St. Alexander of Alexandria, defended the actions of his Patriarch in anathematizing Arius at the Council of Nicaea, leading to the Nicene Creed. Unfortunately, from Constantius through Valens, was a non-Christian heretic, an Arian, that is to say, someone who denies that Christ is God Incarnate, contra John 1:1-14, and many other scriptures (the list of scriptures attesting to the deity of Christ is vast so that denial of the Incarnation in our modern era requires groups like the J/Ws to intentionally mistranslate the Bible, and others like the Unitarians to deprecate its importance, but in antiquity scriptural literacy was less, and Arius wrote catchy songs to promote his false doctrine, which he taught to sailors, who spread it around).
What St. Constantine did do was convert to Christianity (although he was not baptized until the end of his life, which was at the time not uncommon, and was baptized by the Arian heretic Eusebius of Nicomedia, who had finagled his way into the court and even managed to have Arius officially rehabilitated, but before Arius could partake of the Eucharist while blaspheming the Trinity and the Incarnation, he was struck down in the restroom of the Hagia Sophia of all places by a severe indigestion. Which calls to mind the warning given by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:27-34.
St. Constantine did also personally convene and act as neutral president at the Council of Nicaea, a not voting chairman, but his reasons were because he feared the dispute between the Arians and those who we would now recognize as Christians would destabilize the Empire, in which respect he was correct, but mainly owing to the fact that he vacillated and did not enforce the acts of the council and allowed himself to be deceived by Arians who falsely accused St. Athanasius of murdering a layman (St. Athanasius was released from exile after the clergy in Alexandria were able to locate the man and present him alive to an Imperial legate).
Lastly it is the case that St. Constantine did use his power and influence to further the cause of Christianity; his mother, St. Helena, who had been a Christian for some time, was given the funds to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which under Constantine reverted to its historic name and was repopulated (since the Bar Kochba revolt of 130 AD Jerusalem was largely in ruins and largely uninhabited, with all known Jews and Christians expelled, serving as Aeolia Capitolina, the center of Imperial projection in the province of Syria Palestina (which consisted of the former province and client state Kingdom of Judaea, and the adjacent lands of Galilee and Samaria, and roughly corresponds to the modern day Holy Land divided between Israel, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine). Jerusalem under St. Helena was restored, the Holy Sepulchre, located, the True Cross, recovered, and also likewise the Church of the Nativity solidified in nearby Bethlehem, among other sacred places.
However there is a difference between a Roman Emperor favoring a religion, and making it *the* state religion - the practice of Paganism remained widespread with an altar to the goddess of victory remaining in the Curia (the meeting chamber) of the Roman Senate until Emperor St. Theodosius gloriously smashed it 65 years after the Council of Nicea and a bit over 50 years after the repose of St. Constantine. It was St. Theodosius who stopped the flow of the blood of animal (and in some cases human) sacrifices to the demon gods of the gentiles (Psalm 95 v. 5 LXX “The gods of the gentiles are demons”, the Masoretic version, Psalm 96 v. 5, reads “The gods of the gentiles are idols,” but the former reading is to be preferred because Christ our God refers to the diabolical altar in the ancient city of Pergamum devoted to Zeus and the other Olympian deities as “the throne of Satan,” and the Masoretic reading is also obvious (I mean, naturally the gods of the gentiles are idols, this goes without saying; actually an ideal reading would probably be “the gods of the gentiles are the idols of demons” except - well, it was more than just idolatry, for ancient Paganism, like modern day neo-Paganism and other evil religions, included theurgy - acts whereby a hierus or sacerdos or pontifex of the Pagan religions would summon a demon who would engage in preternatural activity, by which many were, and still are, fooled into belief in these evil religions. Still more were deceived with slight of hand and other trickery which one sees among various Far Eastern religions and various New Age Cults (and some heretical offshoots of Christianity that deny the Trinity or other essential doctrines) even now.
Thus, the act of Theodosius in forcing underground and to the margins the pagan religions, closing the grand temple complexes across the Roman Emire, from Alexandria to Londinium, and from Lusitania to Lebanon, and from Trier to Antioch, Carthage to Constantinople, Rhodes to Rome, was a great and glorious thing, not something for Christians to regard with shame.
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Why copy and paste the texts? Surely we all own Bibles. The chapter-and-verse citations should be enough, and then the posts could be much shorter.
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You continue your usual trick of dodging my points (as well as the points of others). You don't offer any actual evidence outside of the mention of where one can see the law in question, but its existence wasn't in dispute.
Beyond that, your post is just a bunch of stuff you spout off with no evidence. Christianity was never the state religion under Constantine (all he did was give it legal protections), even if this inaccurate fact is commonly made. And then the rest of it is a bunch of speculation with no evidence given. And indeed, you have on multiple occasions posted the above text before, which people have pointed out errors with, so it's not very good that you post it all again even when you should know better.
But others have already pointed out the errors here. But there's another problem people haven't mentioned yet, which is this is another case of you copying someone else's (inaccurate) claims word-for-word without admitting it. For, as a search found, this entire post of yours is copied from someone else. More specifically, it's from chapter 4 of A. Jan Marcussen's book "National Sunday Law". This book tried to claim that there would soon be the titular "national Sunday law" which would require people to not work on Sunday and those who defied it would be persecuted and eventually killed. The book is filled with inaccuracies, such as the ones already discussed. As for its "national Sunday law" claim, that has no shortage of implausibilities. Marcussen in 1989 was apparently convinced it was absolutely imminent, at least according to this writer recounting an interaction with him ("I remember well the Sabbath in 1989 when SDA Pastor Jan Marcussen, author of National Sunday Law, came to our church and spoke with great solemnity: "Time is so short that a small child could count the number of months.""), though his apparent failure on that front hasn't stopped him from continuing to promote the idea. Now, you haven't been promoting the overall "national Sunday law" claim of the book that I have seen, just copying some things from it, but given the apparent issues with both him and his work, perhaps he is not the greatest source to appeal to?
It should be noted the above is not the only thing you have copyed straight from that work in your posts in this topic and elsewhere in this forum (and on other forums other than Christian Forums, for that matter) without any attribution as well, and those tend to not be any more accurate than the above and to make similar errors. Marcussen does not appear to be a reliable source, as shown by his repeated errors that you have reproduced and which have been responded to.
It's not very good to copy inaccurate claims (especially when people have already corrected you on them), and it's not very good to copy someone else's claims without mentioning you're copying (especially after people pointed it out previously and you said you would stop). Yet you've done both of these repeatedly.
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The following will show how the observance of the Sabbath went from the 7th day of the week as God commanded to the 1st day of the week. As the story goes Roman Emperor
Constantine who was about to send his troops into battle received a vision of the sun with a cross in it. This signified to him that he would be victorious. His ultimate victory prompted his conversion to Christianity.
This article comes from the Encyclopedia Britannica 7th edition. "It was Roman Emperor Constantine (AD 306-337) who first made a law of the proper observance of Sunday; and who, according to Eusebius, appointed that it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman Empire.@ should be noted that Constantine was a Sun Worshiper before his conversion to Christianity. To show the influence of this practice of worshiping the Sun, I'll refer you to an article written in the Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, "Sunday ( Dies Solis of the Roman calendar the day of the sun, because dedicated to the sun), the first day of the week was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship". The Sun of Latin adoration, they interpreted as the Sun of Righteousness. Note it was a man who issued in the law in 321 AD to change the day in which to observe Gods sabbath not God!
People suppose to be followers of Christ, but now in these days Paul words are more powerful. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1: 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. If Paul can see how people using his letters today, again Jesus. Now again let’s see what Jesus Christ did on the seventh day of the week. Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way, 31 and came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. 32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.(Luke 4:14-16, 30, 31)
The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
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Where is the source for this information?
Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day. World Scope Volume 11. People would face death if they worked or sold on that day at the behest of the Catholic Church.
Christianity | Definition, Origin, History, Beliefs, Symbols, Types, & Facts | Britannica The Roman emperor Constantine I (died 337), a convert to Christianity, introduced the first civil legislation concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on that day, except that farmers could work if necessary. That law, aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions on Sunday activities. See also Sabbatarianism; week.
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Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day. World Scope Volume 11. People would face death if they worked or sold on that day at the behest of the Catholic Church.
Christianity | Definition, Origin, History, Beliefs, Symbols, Types, & Facts | Britannica The Roman emperor Constantine I (died 337), a convert to Christianity, introduced the first civil legislation concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on that day, except that farmers could work if necessary. That law, aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions on Sunday activities. See also Sabbatarianism; week.
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Thank you, but let's see....There you go.
A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)
A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.
- Jewish tradition teaches that there are 613 commandments
- This is the list of 613 identified by Rambam
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So these came from Jewish people, but let's see what the book say about these people call themselves Jews or Jewish. Let's go into Revelation 2: 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
The real Jews which are the twelve tribes of Israel are still in captivity to this day.
God promised the Israelites that if they failed to obey him, he would curse them and eventually have them removed from their land and carried as slaves into every nation upon the earth. Israel failed, and God kept his promise.
After the Israelites were remove from the land of Israel, it was left as an empty vacant lot, with know inhabitants. Now, if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people Which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture, history, and even call them self by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years, that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had been move by force, and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (Jews)!
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Nah you can’t get away from this that simply. The present day Jews are not Christians and neither were the OT Jews so your argument fails from the get go. Secondly, the reason why I posted that particular resource is because it provides the Bible book and verse for each one of the 613 commandments which is what Rambam compiled. Rambam did not write the Bible nor the 613 commandments of the Jewish law. That honor goes to Moses in the 15th century BCE. So if you want to debunk this then you better address each one of the 613 and its corresponded biblical citation. Good luck,
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