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Federal agents kill Alex Pretti

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In my town of Minneapolis Federal agents shot and killed Alex Pretti, a US citizen, nurse at the VA, and cancer researcher, as he was monitoring ICE activity with his cell phone, and after coming to the aid of a woman who had been hit with a chemical irritant. He had a licensed weapon on him that he was legally allowed to carry - a weapon he never drew according to all the videos available. Here is the NBC News article on the shooting.

And here is the most recent local NBC affiliate reporting, showing the video where the agent removes the gun from the victim before he was shot.

Yes he carried a gun which he had a permit
For, though with his credentials his actions
On the night he was shot didnt appear anything less then enraged, between the
Radical kick of the back tail light that put
officials on high alert, including reaching in his pocket subsequent to that outburst, would
Indeed precipitate a reaction that led to
The incident as very dangerous and threatening the lives of others when faced
With Officials watching his movements.

What do you think?
 
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Were the groups in your pictures obstructing law enforcement officers?
Did the Proud Boys obstruct Capitol Police?

The Michigan protesters were opening challenging Michigan law with guns.

The Virginia protesters were flagrantly showing their guns.

Alex Pretti had his gun in a holster and never drew it. He was videoing, and not obstructing.

The anger about Pretti having a gun is hypocritical.
 
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Is obstruction of law enforcement officers a crime, or not?

Taking a video, no.

But this is obstruction:

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And the first 3 minutes of this:


THAT is obstruction and criminal. Nobody who defends them has right to criticize Alex Pretti who was unarmed and on the ground when he was shot in the back 3 times, 10 shots total.
 
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Yes he carried a gun which he had a permit
For, though with his credentials his actions
On the night he was shot didnt appear anything less then enraged, between the
Radical kick of the back tail light that put
officials on high alert, including reaching in his pocket subsequent to that outburst, would
Indeed precipitate a reaction that led to
The incident as very dangerous and threatening the lives of others when faced
With Officials watching his movements.

What do you think?
You realize those were different days, don't you?
 
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Did the Proud Boys obstruct Capitol Police?

The Michigan protesters were opening challenging Michigan law with guns.

The Virginia protesters were flagrantly showing their guns.

Alex Pretti had his gun in a holster and never drew it. He was videoing, and not obstructing.

The anger about Pretti having a gun is hypocritical.
Pretti obstructed law enforcement officers. I would say that even if he was unarmed. I have had, and still do not, any anger at all about Alex Pretti.
 
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Pretti obstructed law enforcement officers. I would say that even if he was unarmed. I have had, and still do not, any anger at all about Alex Pretti.
On that day, Pretti stood between an out-of-control officer who was using excessive and possibly permanently damaging force against a woman who was already on the ground.

That wasn't the worst last act for a man.
 
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Pretti obstructed law enforcement officers. I would say that even if he was unarmed. I have had, and still do not, any anger at all about Alex Pretti.
All I see is “he had it coming”.

What’s it like to be an apologist for state-sanctioned killings?
 
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Yes he carried a gun which he had a permit
For, though with his credentials his actions
On the night he was shot didnt appear anything less then enraged, between the
Radical kick of the back tail light that put
officials on high alert, including reaching in his pocket subsequent to that outburst, would
Indeed precipitate a reaction that led to
The incident as very dangerous and threatening the lives of others when faced
With Officials watching his movements.

What do you think?
I think that connecting the angry outburst on one day with being shot by immigration enforcement a week later is nonsense. These were most likely not the same officers and didn't know him from Adam. The incident was an expected outcome when an out-of-control poorly instructed police force continues to escalate the tensions with a community still mourning the death of Renee Good and the assault on our immigrants community (both legal and illegal). That's what made it dangerous. As for the angry display kicking out the tail light of a departing ICE vehicle, it was not any more violent than when that man long ago made a whip out of chords, overturned the tables of legal vendors, and drove them out of the temple with that whip. Sometimes an angry response is what is called for.
 
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In my town of Minneapolis Federal agents shot and killed Alex Pretti, a US citizen, nurse at the VA, and cancer researcher, as he was monitoring ICE activity with his cell phone, and after coming to the aid of a woman who had been hit with a chemical irritant. He had a licensed weapon on him that he was legally allowed to carry - a weapon he never drew according to all the videos available. Here is the NBC News article on the shooting.

And here is the most recent local NBC affiliate reporting, showing the video where the agent removes the gun from the victim before he was shot.

Yes he carried a gun
People executed in the street and Trump supporters will, as always, hand wave it away.

Oh well, that's fine. When the Republicans lose their next election and the shoe is on the other foot, it'll be good to see former ICE personnel treated the same way they treated others.
why dont you really think they they needed
To defend their life?
You saw the same videos everyone saw
Right?
Im sure Officials dont plan to do what they
Must to defend themselves, but if we were
Doing their jobs and surrounded by people
Who are enraged at our presence there, we
Would be forced to defend our lives too.

Their there to bring ultimate peace to communities, and ppl arent showing any
Respect for their presence, so its easy for
Them to throw stones, but guaranteed if
We were them, we too might find ourselves
Faced against those who use a car to hit
Us and to expect them to be ok with that
Is what i dont understand, whether in the street or anywhere else.
Their entire mission is to bring
Peace, the problem is ignorant ppl dont
Know this, if they did they would stay
Home and not interfere with their work
And especially not to be an agitator who
Just goes there looking for trouble, they
Create!
 
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Oh really? Do you realize Iran killed 30,000 protesters in 2 days (Jan. 8, 9)? And here, we had two deaths, total, not by protesters, but by agitators, forcing armed people to make spit second decisions, while blowing whistles and screaming in their faces.

I think these agitators killed themselves. It's their own fault 100% that they are dead, because they make poor life decisions (bringing a gun while agitating officers:scratch:) and have zero self-preservation skills.
If they arent citizens, Yes
 
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Yes he carried a gun
That was not excuse to shoot him, especially when his gun had already been taken from him by the agents.

why dont you really think they they needed
To defend their life?
You saw the same videos everyone saw
Right?
Im sure Officials dont plan to do what they
You are right. They don't plan for anything. That's because they are poorly-instructed, which is what leads them into situations where they feel the need to use deadly force to defend their lives.

Must to defend themselves, but if we were
Doing their jobs and surrounded by people
Who are enraged at our presence there, we
Would be forced to defend our lives too.
Professional police who are properly instructed do not find themselves in such situations because they learn how to de-escalate the situation. They are professionals with the guns and the license to kill. The crowds are not. That's why it is their responsibility, not the crowd's responsibility, to act professionally.

Their there to bring ultimate peace to communities
They may say that, but they are doing the opposite. The community was already at peace before they arrived. Now it is in turmoil. What they say are there to do and what they are actually doing are completely different.

, and ppl arent showing any
Respect for their presence,
It is not their responsibility to respect a police force that is tearing their community apart.

Their entire mission is to bring
Peace,
As I said, we had peace before they came. They are destroying peace.
 
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