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Protest / Right or No Right To Bear Arms
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When it was conservatives forming such groups, it was called "domestic terrorism"
Funny how definitions get manipulated when the current group finds itself under the gun.
But if you are so fond of "well regulated militia" and other such terms found in the constitution, perhaps you should call your legislators who wish to repeal the Second Amendment, calling it outdated.
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Yeah he was. He was constantly threatening. Have you seen the videos where he spits on ICE and kicks out a taillight? He should have been arrested for that, but he ran away.
I'm not at all complaining about protesters with guns! In fact, I wish...well, never mind.
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I didn't see him spit on ICE. Looks like he spit at the ground. And kicking a taillight out out some other time is NO EXCUSE for shooting him in the back when he was already down and disarmed.
Really comparing kicking out a taillight with what the J6ers did? Gimme a break.
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Did his “threatening” rise to the need to use “lethal force” in order to make him cease the threatening behavior?
I know that you cannot be enjoying having to defend this position, but you’re doing it gamely nonetheless.
Why?
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Took like five guys to hold him down. He was a serial harrasser. Who knows what he's before?
I'm not comparing them, but one unarmed young lady was shot.
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Wow. One other video means he was a "serial" harasser? No. The rest of his life says otherwise and the fact he tried to help a woman pushed down by ICE is not harassment.
140 officers were injured as they were attacked with flagpoles, chemical irritants, stun guns, metal fence stakes, tire irons, and fire extinguishers.
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There was video of him harassing ICE and kicking the taillight off their car and spitting at them a few days prior to the high profile incident.
So the high profile run-in that got all of the attention wasn't his first encounter with them. His ex-wife also noted that he was getting increasingly active in going to demonstrations and protests (and being verbally confrontational with police) in the wake of George Floyd, in an interview with People magazine.
(And yes, we already know that doesn't warrant a death sentence...but we don't have to pretend that everyone who gets wrongly treated by ICE was a perfect little angel)
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He was reported to be a serial harasser.
There were not 140, even counting the ones who got covid later. But if we're judging by photos, they seem a lot scarier.
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Those are unauthorized (illegal) militias. They are not 'well regulated' given that they are not under civil government control.
I'd just like to see them enforce it. They could start with the various illegal, unauthorized militias.
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She actually wasn't. And come on, please don't play dumb here. If a mob was breaking down your front door, yelling about hanging or killing you, you wouldn't go "Yeah... But none of them are armed so it's all good, it's not threatening at all."
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Just because you can carry a weapon doesn't mean you can go looking for trouble - and if you do you're liable to get yourself killed. Starting a physical altercation with armed federal agents is a bad idea to begin with. Doing it while you're carrying a weapon makes it much more dangerous.
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As was noted above, Ashli Babbit was actually armed with a knife, but no one else knew that because it was in her backpack.
But how was she threatening Congress? (Specifically, the House)
1. She was part of a mob.
2. That mob had broken glass doors.
3. The mob was in a corridor that is not open to people without staff or visitor badges.
4. The broken windows in the doors lead into an area just behind the House chamber that access restricted the same as the floor itself. Doors in that space lead directly on to the House floor.
5. Members of the House were still evacuating through that space (the Speaker's Lobby) to a protected space.
6. Because security was breached, the Capitol Police had no way of knowing if any person who was part of the breach was armed or not. No one was screened and searched. It would turn out that several firearms were possessed on the Capitol steps and terraces. I don't recall if any were actually taken inside. Numerous rioters had blunt-force weapons (baseball bats, hockey sticks, axe handles, and various "improvised" weapons like flag poles and crutches).
7. At the time she was shot Ashli Babbit had climbed up to the broken glass opening of the door into the Speaker's lobby and was making motions as if she intended to leap through it into the Speaker's Lobby.
As for the shooting itself:
1. The officer drew his weapon and held it aimed in her direction for several seconds from a safe distance. The police in the Speaker's Lobby were specifically on a protection mission for members of Congress.
2. Presumably, (I say this only because I haven't read the investigation report that cleared the shooting.) the officer thought she was starting to make a move when he decided to fire.
3. Only a single shot was taken. Unfortunately, the shot clipper her neck and she was dead before getting to the hospital (and likely leaving the building).
The resemblance of the two shootings is only that someone died from shots from federal law officer weapon(s).
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Wow that’s a huge misrepresentation of the facts. Can you quote where Trump ever said that Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17 year old who was under age to legally carry a firearm, and Trump supported him illegally carrying a firearm? I’d like to see that quote. I’m pretty sure that Trump was ok with him defending himself for being attacked but that’s a whole different situation. And can you quote where Trump said that he supported people bringing guns to the January 6 protest or them breaking into the capitol building and injuring law enforcement officers? No I'm pretty sure you can’t quote him on that either. And what Rob Chadwick actually said in the video you posted was that HE DID HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEGALLY CARRY IN THE PROTEST, but the law gets dicey when the person carrying gets involved with a law enforcement operation. So he didn’t say that he shouldn’t have brought the gun to the protest, what he said was that he shouldn’t have interfered with law enforcement while carrying a gun. Obviously the first part of your account name is inaccurate but I’m starting to think that the last part might be accurate.
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Yeah I think if you have to explain this to someone they’re probably not even worth explaining to because they’re not interested in applying any sort of common sense, they just want to twist the facts and spew a bunch of lies to promote their political agenda. They’re completely devoid of any and all integrity.
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Are the guys in the bottom picture interfering with law enforcement?
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