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Four dead, ICE arrests illegal immigrant trucker who plowed into Amish van in Indiana

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It's not that we want to "limit" immigration... It's that we want to control immigration, and not allow immigration to control us.

...Imagine living your life in such a way that your environment controls your every move, a life where what people say about you is how you view yourself, an environment where you do what the world tells you to do. But no, If you want to be free, YOU control how you view yourself, YOU control what job you want, and YOU control your own destiny... This is the basis of freedom, and this is the foundation of American representation that we wish to hold onto. Controlling who enters our country is an extension of American core values. We cannot allow the entire world to flood into our country - we will lose representation of who we are, and we will succumb to the world, and become the world.

Please try and place yourself in my shoes with thinking this way. Then respond after. I would wholeheartedly appreciate a soulful response on why this is either incorrect thinking, or understandable thinking.
We are a part of the world.

This particular guy applied for admission here which was granted - completely under our control. He was in a serious truck accident for which he had responsibility - swerving instead of braking. For people to take this and scream about the danger of illegal immigrants is really dishonest.
 
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We are a part of the world.
Yes, but should we allow the world to rule us? If we were to go 100% global, we could send ballots across the entire world, and let the world into the decision-making process within this democracy, and maybe even open the borders entirely.

...As it is now, we have immigrants entering our country, violating the will of the American people. To what extent do we allow the rest of the world to defy the will of the Americans? I don't see any inclination coming from the left on where this process of being 'part of the world' begins or ends. I almost feel like I should be in trouble for thinking this, because I feel like it's something I'm not supposed to talk about.

If I am ever supposed to trust the left, then someone needs to reassure me that there is at least some line in the sand, somewhere... We wouldn't even have had to elect Trump in the first place, if there were some line drawn, at least to reassure the people.

I hope someone understands.
 
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I just posted an article last evening about an illegal who was convicted of fraudulently voting. We don't know how many go undetected. Additionally the counting of illegals in the census makes a difference in the number of Congressional representatives given to each state.
on the voting fradulently how many have been found in ALL of the states last 2 elections and would them voting have done anything? You can't point to the system working,to complain it's not working.
 
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on the voting fradulently how many have been found in ALL of the states last 2 elections and would them voting have done anything? You can't point to the system working,to complain it's not working.
In this latest case they went to the trouble of her going to the bank and she was recorded with an "I voted" sticker the day after the election. Without recording people actually voting voter fraud is extremely hard to prove. What can be done, and what so many blue states have resisted, is a check of the voter registration data by the federal government. Lawsuits continue. Oregon was not cleaning up their voter lists, a violation of the 1993 National Voter Registration Act, and a private lawsuit recently pressured them into doing so.
 
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Yes, but should we allow the world to rule us? If we were to go 100% global, we could send ballots across the entire world, and let the world into the decision-making process within this democracy, and maybe even open the borders entirely.

...As it is now, we have immigrants entering our country, violating the will of the American people. To what extent do we allow the rest of the world to defy the will of the Americans? I don't see any inclination coming from the left on where this process of being 'part of the world' begins or ends. I almost feel like I should be in trouble for thinking this, because I feel like it's something I'm not supposed to talk about.

If I am ever supposed to trust the left, then someone needs to reassure me that there is at least some line in the sand, somewhere... We wouldn't even have had to elect Trump in the first place, if there were some line drawn, at least to reassure the people.

I hope someone understands.
I think the plan is to tear down America and it doesn't go much beyond that. Obviously the temporary alliance between many of the hard-core left and radical Islam is not going to last forever. They have an overall intolerance for those outside of their religion. For example, Christians are banned from even entering Mecca or central areas of Medina. There are checkpoints to make sure you don't and you can get yourself quickly deported.
 
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For example, Christians are banned from even entering Mecca or central areas of Medina. There are checkpoints to make sure you don't and you can get yourself quickly deported.

I keep hearing this and wonder why anyone who isn't Muslim would want to go to Mecca.
 
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Some people want to avoid that hippy-dippy nonsense and deal with facts.
"Some people" need to change.

"Contemplation is the highest expression of man's intellectual and spiritual life" — Thomas Merton
 
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I think the plan is to tear down America and it doesn't go much beyond that. Obviously the temporary alliance between many of the hard-core left and radical Islam is not going to last forever. They have an overall intolerance for those outside of their religion. For example, Christians are banned from even entering Mecca or central areas of Medina. There are checkpoints to make sure you don't and you can get yourself quickly deported.

FYI: I put their religion and yours in the exact same box. I respect both religions right to exist, but I think they are wrong about everything.
 
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FYI: I put their religion and yours in the exact same box. I respect both religions right to exist, but I think they are wrong about everything.

I thought you were a "fact" person, but it seems without direction, because we were talking about cultures, customs and mass immigration... It seems like you're only willing to acknowledge religion as a thing, and not willing to look at how a foreign religion's customs can change a society through mass immigration.

...Contemplation is what gives you 'direction', to then apply facts. Both are necessary. Not one, without the other.
 
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I keep hearing this and wonder why anyone who isn't Muslim would want to go to Mecca.

The actual target point in all that is that the Muslims are not permitted to even contemplate whether such exclusiveness is right or wrong in the first place. They're not allowed to even speak it.

...That level of submission is not only contrary to American values, but it ought to be outright rejected by those who side with freedom and liberty.
 
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I think the plan is to tear down America and it doesn't go much beyond that. Obviously the temporary alliance between many of the hard-core left and radical Islam is not going to last forever. They have an overall intolerance for those outside of their religion. For example, Christians are banned from even entering Mecca or central areas of Medina. There are checkpoints to make sure you don't and you can get yourself quickly deported.
Yes, extremely contradictory to despise deportation, while also rooting for deporters... It's foolish, and the end result will be nothing that resembles their own values.

...Short sightedness is a sign of a lack in direction. These people don't contemplate, and claim to be fact-based. They're only halfway there. I want to help them grow.
 
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Bekzhan Beishekeev, an illegal immigrant from Kyrgyzstan, failed to brake while driving on an Indiana highway when a semi-truck in front of him slowed down. Beishekeev, who was issued a commercial driver’s license by Pennsylvania in July last year, swerved and struck a vehicle with 15 people inside, many of whom were members of the Amish community.

Let into our country by the Biden administration, and the interference with ICE delays the arrests of such criminals. More Americans die.
Wait, was he allowed to enter the US legally or not because the article says that he used the CPB One app which allowed him to enter which is a USCIS app. So if he had an 1-94 form then he didn’t enter illegally. Now I don’t know if he may have overstayed his allotted time or not but if he was allowed to enter by USCIS then he was vetted and had to have passed a background check to get a visa. Furthermore he was able to get a CDL license which you can’t get without a social security card, I know because I’ve been all thru this with trying to get my wife’s license.
 
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The story contains a photo of his Real-ID compliant CDL, how is it that he is “illegal”?
Yeah it also says he entered using the CBP One app which is a USCIS app for submitting your information to attain a visa. So if he came in by using the app he must’ve had an I-94 form which means that he was allowed to enter by USCIS Customs which also means he passed a background check. So if he was allowed to enter he didn’t enter illegally and if he did enter illegally then why would they be saying that he entered by using the app? I dunno maybe he overstayed his allotted time but it definitely seems to be misrepresenting what’s going on here. Now with that being said, do you see what I was talking about in the other thread about the media not being a reliable source of information? It’s not about reporting the truth to them it’s about reporting what supports their political agenda and both sides are liars.
 
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good thing no one ever dies from legal truck drivers huh? Oh wait...last year there was 1,600 fatal truck crashes up to july 2025. But I'm sure ALL of them were ilegal drivers too. It's pretty disgusting to use 1 incident to pretend it's some massive thing. Is this a tragedy, yes? But don't hear you complaining about all the other deaths, just the ones that fit your agenda.
That’s typical from this particular person, she always posts these kinds of threads.
 
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I thought you were a "fact" person, but it seems without direction, because we were talking about cultures, customs and mass immigration...
"Radical Islam" (what I was replying to) is a culture now? Here it was I thought it was a form of religion.
It seems like you're only willing to acknowledge religion as a thing, and not willing to look at how a foreign religion's customs can change a society through mass immigration.
Which are the foreign religions? Christianity is not "native" to the US.

I've heard these "change society" about your sub-set of Christians before. I read about it in history class. It was so bad that there were political parties built around opposing them.
...Contemplation is what gives you 'direction', to then apply facts. Both are necessary. Not one, without the other.
I'm not interested in your hippie stuff.
 
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How was he illegal? He was here legally according to the news story.
Apparently his visa or status was paroled for some reason. The article doesn’t say why. But if he was allowed to enter by USCIS then he passed a background check because they won’t issue a visa until you’ve passed a background check and medical examination. So it would appear that his status was revoked and he had an auto accident and that somehow makes him a “violent criminal”. The OP just wants to post illegal immigrant kills 4 people because that’s what she does, over and over. It doesn’t matter if it was accidental or not she’s still going to label this guy as a dangerous criminal even though he came into the US legally, he passed a background check, and he had an auto accident which could happen to anyone.
 
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That’s typical from this particular person, she always posts these kinds of threads.
Why "she"? But yes, this is typical.
 
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Apparently his visa or status was paroled for some reason. The article doesn’t say why. But if he was allowed to enter by USCIS then he passed a background check because they won’t issue a visa until you’ve passed a background check and medical examination. So it would appear that his status was revoked and he had an auto accident and that somehow makes him a “violent criminal”. The OP just wants to post illegal immigrant kills 4 people because that’s what she does, over and over. It doesn’t matter if it was accidental or not she’s still going to label this guy as a dangerous criminal even though he came into the US legally, he passed a background check, and he had an auto accident which could happen to anyone.
In this scenario, Parole just means he was permitted to enter and work while the remaining paperwork was being processed.
 
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