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Immigrant whose skull was broken in eight places during ICE arrest says beating was unprovoked

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[ICE told nurses at the hospital that he had run headfirst into a wall. The medical injuries are not consistent with that, and then under penalty of perjury...]

ICE deportation officer William J. Robinson did not say how Castañeda Mondragón’s skull was smashed in a Jan. 20 declaration filed in federal court.
I really don’t know what to do with this without any evidence to support either side other than the testimony of the victim who seems to remember being beaten on several occasions with no problems but couldn’t remember that he has a daughter?
 
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I really don’t know what to do with this without any evidence to support either side other than the testimony of the victim who seems to remember being beaten on several occasions with no problems but couldn’t remember that he has a daughter?

...the evident injuries don't support ICE's claims.
And failed memory is consistent with brain trauma.
 
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...the evident injuries don't support ICE's claims.
And failed memory is consistent with brain trauma.
And misinformation on these kinds of political issues are a dime a dozen.
 
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I really don’t know what to do with this without any evidence to support either side other than the testimony of the victim who seems to remember being beaten on several occasions with no problems but couldn’t remember that he has a daughter?

And misinformation on these kinds of political issues are a dime a dozen.
Why should we believe the guy who was beaten?

From the OP’s link:
ICE deportation officer William J. Robinson did not say how Castañeda Mondragón’s skull was smashed in a Jan. 20 declaration filed in federal court. During the intake process, it was determined he “had a head injury that required emergency medical treatment,” he wrote in the filing.

The declaration also stated that Castañeda Mondragón entered the U.S. legally in March 2022, and that the agency determined only after his arrest that he had overstayed his visa. A federal judge later ruled his arrest had been unlawful and ordered him released from ICE custody.”


What to believe huh, some rando visa-jumper or the brave lads of ICE?
 
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Why should we believe the guy who was beaten?

From the OP’s link:
ICE deportation officer William J. Robinson did not say how Castañeda Mondragón’s skull was smashed in a Jan. 20 declaration filed in federal court. During the intake process, it was determined he “had a head injury that required emergency medical treatment,” he wrote in the filing.

The declaration also stated that Castañeda Mondragón entered the U.S. legally in March 2022, and that the agency determined only after his arrest that he had overstayed his visa. A federal judge later ruled his arrest had been unlawful and ordered him released from ICE custody.”


What to believe huh, some rando visa-jumper or the brave lads of ICE?
You don’t find it strange that the guy didn’t remember having a daughter but can remember when and where he was beaten several times? And they only mentioned head trauma, no other injuries. No other injuries during these multiple beatings? Don’t get me wrong when I say that misinformation on these kinds of political issues are a dime a dozen that includes both sides. It’s gotten so bad nobody can believe anything the media says anymore because republican or democratic, it doesn’t matter they’re both liars. I remember back after George Floyd was murdered the media claimed that the police shot and killed an unarmed man with his kids in the back seat of the car. But when we finally watched the video it turned out to be a very different story and the officers actually did everything they could to keep the guy from reaching into the car to grab a knife that was in the floor of the driver’s side. The cop was practically tearing the guy’s shirt off trying to pull him away from the car and shot him because the guy grabbed a knife and was within arms reach of the cop who was trying to pull him away from the car. But the media didn’t tell anyone about any of that, no because police shooting a man who is struggling with an officer and grabs a knife isn’t controversial enough because that would be a justified use of deadly force. So yeah you’ll have to excuse me when I see things that don’t seem to line up with reality like ICE agents are acting like the KKK not only in public but also at their headquarters where there’s cameras and other staff members, not to mention that they’re not all a bunch of redneck hillbillies they’re made up of all races and the type of people who would do something like what the article in the OP is suggesting and the type of people who wouldn’t report that kind of behavior are extremely rare in this country. So yeah you’ll have to excuse me for exercising a little common sense and being a bit leery on swallowing everything that’s fed to me by the media. The only reason the media reports garbage propaganda is because they have no accountability and there are plenty of people out there that are so eager to believe it as long as it aligns with their particular political agenda.
 
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You don’t find it strange that the guy didn’t remember having a daughter but can remember when and where he was beaten several times?
The Agents clearly wanted to deport this guy, if they ask about his daughter, yeah, I think that I wouldn’t remember my daughter too, until I knew that the “danger” had passed.

Empathy is sometimes innate, sometimes not.

And they only mentioned head trauma, no other injuries. No other injuries during these multiple beatings?
I’m sorry that the news story didn’t go into more detail about what other injuries that he may (or may not) have had. He did have a head injury, that’s usually enough to get a detainee into a hospital.
Don’t get me wrong when I say that misinformation on these kinds of political issues are a dime a dozen that includes both sides. It’s gotten so bad nobody can believe anything the media says anymore because republican or democratic, it doesn’t matter they’re both liars.
No, we can still discern “the truth”; if someone is unable to assert that, perhaps the reason is (for instance), the truth isn't something that they wish to believe to be true.

I know that the earth spins on its axis and this creates day & night, but boy does it still looks like the sun travels around us.
We’re going to be alright.

I remember back after George Floyd was murdered the media claimed that the police shot and killed an unarmed man with his kids in the back seat of the car. But when we finally watched the video it turned out to be a very different story and the officers actually did everything they could to keep the guy from reaching into the car to grab a knife that was in the floor of the driver’s side.
I don’t think that the shootee died in that one.

The cop was practically tearing the guy’s shirt off trying to pull him away from the car and shot him because the guy grabbed a knife and was within arms reach of the cop who was trying to pull him away from the car. But the media didn’t tell anyone about any of that, no because police shooting a man who is struggling with an officer and grabs a knife isn’t controversial enough because that would be a justified use of deadly force.
I ain’t going to go look this one up, I vaguely remember it, but this is your “evidence” that we can’t trust what we hear in the media?


So yeah you’ll have to excuse me when I see things that don’t seem to line up with reality like ICE agents are acting like the KKK not only in public but also at their headquarters where there’s cameras and other staff members, not to mention that they’re not all a bunch of redneck hillbillies they’re made up of all races and the type of people who would do something like what the article in the OP is suggesting and the type of people who wouldn’t report that kind of behavior are extremely rare in this country.
While rare, there’s clusters of them in certain places and professions.

So yeah you’ll have to excuse me for exercising a little common sense and being a bit leery on swallowing everything that’s fed to me by the media. The only reason the media reports garbage propaganda is because they have no accountability and there are plenty of people out there that are so eager to believe it as long as it aligns with their particular political agenda.
Cynicism isn’t for everybody, it takes years and it’s not much fun.
 
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You don’t find it strange that the guy didn’t remember having a daughter but can remember when and where he was beaten several times?

Nope. Memory gaps are consistent with head trauma.
 
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No, we can still discern “the truth”; if someone is unable to assert that, perhaps the reason is (for instance), the truth isn't something that they wish to believe to be true.
Oh so you think that’s the case with me?

Close, my point is that people should be judged by their actions, not by their race or nationality. America’s crime problem is primarily due to American citizens and all I see Trump doing is going after immigrants regardless of whether they’re criminals or not. What I don’t see is him going after criminals in general. To me that’s a problem when innocent people are being stereotyped as criminals because of their race, nationality, or poverty level. Thats not judging people by their actions which I have a huge problem with.
If we really wanted to reduce gang violence, and sex and drug trafficking it would make more sense to start by going after the largest demographic first which would be American citizens. But that’s not the goal of Trump’s administration. Their focus is primarily aimed towards immigrants, not criminals in general.
Yeah my point was that the real focus here is about immigrants, not murderers. People are using the murderers as an excuse to get rid of all illegal immigrants. It’s sort of a distraction tactic to cover their true intentions and a lot of people are falling for it hook, line, & sinker. Personally I don’t care if someone came here illegally or not if they’re not hurting anyone. We’re all just trying to scratch a living the best we can.

I’m not anti immigrant at all, I’m not even anti illegal immigrant, the story sounds fabricated to me. Were charges filed against ICE? Were there any witnesses? The article says the man was pulled from his friend’s car, where’s his testimony? The article says that they don’t know if ICE was wearing body cams or not, so obviously this information is coming out before any kind of investigation has been done. All you have is a guy with head injuries claiming he was beaten by ICE in public but was it justified or not? I don’t like that ICE is deporting people who are here just trying to better their life, but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to buy into every media article that’s trying to push their political agenda by reporting propaganda because they’ve demonstrated repeatedly that their information is unreliable. So I’m smart enough to know that I can’t believe everything I read just because it aligns with my personal preference or political agenda. But hey, you do you bro.
 
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