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Kristi Noem Says US Citizens Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship

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"A valid ID card" and "proof of citizenship" are not the same thing.

That's why RealID doesn't prove citizenship even now, and up until now it wasn't even necessary to show even that much unless suspected of breaking a law (still isn't, according to the Supreme Court, but ICE clearly doesn't care about the court system).

It was never thought before that it would be necessary in the US even to prove identification, much less citizenship, simply upon demand.

Maybe not in the US of A.
 
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Because we are still a free people, who do not have to produce our papers on the demand of a government employee. Even the current SCOTUS says that absent evidence of a crime, Americans do not have to produce papers to police officers, certainly not to ICE troops.

It was never thought before that it would be necessary in the US even to prove identification, much less citizenship, simply upon demand.
Right. But we're living in evil times.

I do not think the police in the picture do it just to pass the time of day.
They are North Korean enforcers, who can do whatever they want to people. Noem envies them, but so far, the courts aren't supporting her.
 
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Because we are still a free people, who do not have to produce our papers on the demand of a government employee. Even the current SCOTUS says that absent evidence of a crime, Americans do not have to produce papers to police officers, certainly not to ICE troops.


Right. But we're living in evil times.


They are North Korean enforcers, who can do whatever they want to people. Noem envies them, but so far, the courts aren't supporting her.

You don`t get it, there are problems in your country, just reading this forum is proof.

Much because of sloppiness.

I don`care about US of A, blame yourselves.
 
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they are not speaking of EVERYONE - only those involved with an established target, that means they know who they are looking for.
They have demonstrated targeting incompetence and confused it with racial profiling.
 
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They have demonstrated targeting incompetence and confused it with racial profiling.
Hmmm incompetence:

They have the illegal aliens name and charges. The local pd releases them instead of holding them, so they have to goctoctheirclast known residence.

Their vehicles are blocked in and mobbed, they have frozen bottles of water, rocks fireworks etc thrown at them. They are surrounded by people with bull horn whistles and screaming.

And there are some who think the issue is incompetence
 
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