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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Do human beings have an identity that is distinct from their biological brain?
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peter2
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I haven't prayed for you, but I will.
I didn't quite understand your story about the ghost child, but I gather that a horizon of freedom is opening up for you.
May the Liberator keep you and bless you.
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I would say no. We are new creations in Christ, and our emotions are controlled by our fallen bodies. Therefore, our emotions are not our identity.
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No, they don't. That's what I'm saying. For those of us who are Christian, despite our feelings, it is the Lord who ultimately defines "who" we are and what we are.
However, .............our emotions and other cognitive functions can affect our perceptions and the evaluations we have of ourselves and the world in which we live. In this, I'm referring to the findings of both Epistemology and Neuroscience. But neither of these overrule what is revealed by God. (Of course, you know this already
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Yes. Part of a certain man's therapeutic methods is pattered after the questions God asks people, in the bible.
The questions are interesting and worth study: they require the left and the right side of the mind to work together to answer the question.
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Yeah, that doesn't make any sense since your body is still a part of you even if it's only the physical part. That's like saying that we can't genuinely be made anew by God since He has to give a us new body, that we don't know about yet, through our souls. It's also insulting to God since it sounds like you're saying God's plans for us are foolish since He made us to live on the earth.
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So you’re saying that an amputee is defined by their amputation or a mental illness sufferer is defined by their mental illness? That isn’t what Paul teaches in the Scriptures:
2 Corinthians 5:1-5 said:
Our bodies do not change automatically when we accept the Gospel, so the “new creation” is not our body. The presence of the Holy Spirit defines us as followers of Christ who are new creations in Christ, spiritually alive and undergoing the sanctification process. The soul and spirit “pilot” are changed, not the old body “car”. The old body is capable of obedience because it was originally designed by God too, but the body has the sin nature in it and rebels against the Spirit. This creates an internal war in which our bodies must be subdued in order to use them for Kingdom purposes.
Romans 7:14-25 said:
“But in fact it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells within me.” That indicates that there is an “I” that is distinct from the sin that dwells within him, and Paul defines the “law of sin” as being in his members, I.e. his body.
Therefore, I interpret the “I” of Romans 7 to be the same as the “new creation” of 1 Corinthians 5.
There are many other passages in Paul’s letters where Paul equates our fallen bodies with the sin nature of mankind and defines sin as “deeds of the flesh”.
God could just give new glorified bodies any time he wants, but He chooses not to. I think the reason He does not has to do with love and faith as a requirement for salvation. Also, he wants His church to be able to bear children and raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Glorified bodies aren’t able to marry or be given in marriage, so we’re stuck with what we got.
I’m really confused by this.
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Yeah, I don't understand what you said either but it is true that God is not mocked. Good thing God and fellow Christians are nice and clear about His plans for us.
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