Are we born again by loving God and others? Please share scriptures and thoughts. Thank you.

Always in His Presence · Jan 17, 2026

ARBITER01 said:
Is this code? I'm not understanding the post.

He does not speak in sentences - very hard to understand anything posted. It's possible English is not his first language, but it's almost undiscernible regardless. Best to just let them slide.

Dan Perez · Jan 17, 2026

Bro.T said:
The book say in 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. This is talking about the first resurrection and those who after the white throne judgement. Only then you can't sin no more.

Let's take a look at Jesus for an example of born of God, and of we know Jesus did no sin. But let's read that in 1 Peter 2: 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

Let's go to John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Take a look at the 12th verse. It states, "The ones that received him he gave them power to become the sons of God.” Remember that you will only become a Son of God if you follow His word. Look at the 14th verse. Notice it says he is the only begotten of the Father.

What does only mean? If He (Jesus) is the only one born of God how can anyone make the statement they are born again. Only means only. If you are born of God you will not be able to sin any longer. Read this carefully in I John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Can anyone say they commit no sin? No! If you are born (born again) into the God family you must be a spirit being. Here is another verse stating Jesus is the only begotten son.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's go into Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)

Paul says in Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And when will this take place?

Again in I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, ando the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last trump, and not a moment before.

AND YOU QUOTE. Luke. 24:27 which CONTEXT is speaking to Israel. and then switch back to PAUL in. 1 COR. 15:42.

WHOS CONTEX is the BODY OF CHRIST.

Are you JEWS or are you GENTILES. ??

dan p

Bro.T · Jan 18, 2026

Dan Perez said:
AND YOU QUOTE. Luke. 24:27 which CONTEXT is speaking to Israel. and then switch back to PAUL in. 1 COR. 15:42.

WHOS CONTEX is the BODY OF CHRIST.

Are you JEWS or are you GENTILES. ??

dan p

The only thing that matters being a Hebrew Israelite verses a Gentile, is that the Hebrew Israelite are the priest to the son and daughters of Adam. But we all have to follow the same laws, Statues and Judgements. Except for the priesthood laws, which are now nail to the cross.

"Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, you only have I known of all the families of the earth: Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3:1-2)

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

What is the law that the people of God are to observe? (Exodus 20: 1-23) The Ten Commandments, God descended from heaven and spoke his commandments face to face with his people.

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Bro.T · Jan 18, 2026

Dan Perez said:
And can. you EXPLAIN. what 1. Cor 5:1:5 and especlially. VERSE 5. ??

AND EASY VERSE !!

And here we see that CHRIST will PUNISH. those who SIN and are saved by Grace !!

dan p

Thats talking about Israel behaving bad, breaking laws and acting like a Gentile. Which at that time the Gentiles didn't have the word of God. How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

But let's skip down to verse 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Dan Perez · Jan 18, 2026

ARBITER01 said:
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dan p

Dan Perez · Jan 18, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
He does not speak in sentences - very hard to understand anything posted. It's possible English is not his first language, but it's almost undiscernible regardless. Best to just let them slide.

AND all English words that are in. the KJV HAVE A GREEK. , EQUIVALENT with tenses and moods and many posters do not

learn. what they mean and all who want to excel. can use BLUE LETTER BIBLE or use BIBLE HUB.

and I do speak another language and also write in. English. and Always in. his Presence Always leaves me a AGOG

dan p

Always in His Presence · Jan 18, 2026

Dan Perez said:
AND all English words that are in. the KJV HAVE A GREEK. , EQUIVALENT with tenses and moods and many posters do not

learn. what they mean and all who want to excel. can use BLUE LETTER BIBLE or use BIBLE HUB.

and I do speak another language and also write in. English. and Always in. his Presence Always leaves me a AGOG

dan p

I am not trying to be rude - but your posts often times make no sense whatsoever - that is why I do not reply to you often and I suspect I am not the only one.

Dan Perez · Jan 23, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
I am not trying to be rude - but your posts often times make no sense whatsoever - that is why I do not reply to you often and I suspect I am not the only one.

And I also am not trying to be RUDE and your. posts also do not make any sense by your CONTEXT. and at

Ieast I can EXPLAIN in. plain. words my CONTEXT. and will. not reply again. !!

dan p

Always in His Presence · Jan 23, 2026

Dan Perez said:
And I also do not trying to be RUDE and posts also do not make any sense by your CONTEXT. and at lest

I can EXPLAIN in. plain. words my CONTEXT. and will. not reply !!

DAN P

¿Es el español un mejor idioma para ti? Tu inglés está muy roto y es difícil de entender.

O português é uma língua melhor para você? Seu inglês é muito ruim e difícil de entender.

FredVB · Jan 30, 2026

1 John 4:7 everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

There is not spiritual love without being born of God and knowing God. So spiritual love is not a way to be born of God, or to be saved. The gospel of salvation shows it is God saving any with their repentant faith to to turn from life with sins to be restored to God, with Christ who was sent doing all that makes it possible. Then, spiritual love becomes possible, though from growth in those really saved, and it is just from those born of God who know God, it is with fruit of the Spirit that is growing.

Believers are not saved then by loving. But salvation, of God's work with grace from God with our repentance in faith, is not showing without change in individuals and this can only happen with love of God who loves us, and that is real only with love growing for others. Often we do not see it in individuals who say they are Christian and there is not the evidence showing, there are those anyway who do show it, and this love, and more of the fruit of the Spirit, is to yet grow, it isn't to stop at some limit. God does not limit the love, grace, and mercy shown to us.

timothyu · Jan 30, 2026

He restores, but it is us who must understand what, how, and why

Bro.T · Feb 1, 2026

FredVB said:
Believers are not saved then by loving. But salvation, of God's work with grace from God with our repentance in faith, is not showing without change in individuals and this can only happen with love of God who loves us, and that is real only with love growing for others. Often we do not see it in individuals who say they are Christian and there is not the evidence showing, there are those anyway who do show it, and this love, and more of the fruit of the Spirit, is to yet grow, it isn't to stop at some limit. God does not limit the love, grace, and mercy shown to us.

Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation

Jan001 · Feb 1, 2026

soldier of light said:
Are we born again by loving God and others?

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

I think "born of God and knows God" in this scripture means that the person who loves his brother/neighbor as himself (does good to him) is proving that he also loves and knows God. Matthew 22:39

1 John 2:10
He who loves his brother abides in the light, and in it there is no cause for stumbling.

1 John 3:10
By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother.

1 John 3:17
But if any one has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?

1 John 4:20
If any one says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

1 John 2:4
He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

FredVB · Feb 4, 2026

Bro.T said:
Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation

Okay. But there are different rewards where we will enter eternity after this life. We can have that in mind, but always making sure of our salvation. God already knows who is in Christ and going into eternity after this to be with him. But many among us assume falsely. How? It is not right that we just believe in Jesus. We are separated from God by sins. Don't answer back what repentance means, I understand already. Repentance is yet needed in the faith, that would be the essential faith that we come to Christ really, and God saves us according to God's grace.

Bro.T · Feb 5, 2026

FredVB said:
Okay. But there are different rewards where we will enter eternity after this life. We can have that in mind, but always making sure of our salvation. God already knows who is in Christ and going into eternity after this to be with him. But many among us assume falsely. How? It is not right that we just believe in Jesus. We are separated from God by sins. Don't answer back what repentance means, I understand already. Repentance is yet needed in the faith, that would be the essential faith that we come to Christ really, and God saves us according to God's grace.

The free gift (grace) is Jesus came and died for our sins and by coming under his blood; we have access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam by sinning took away in the garden of Eden. With out the Tree of life (Jesus) man was condemned to death, even the second death (the lake of fire). Jesus told us in the scripture, (Psalms: 69: 4) They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, beingmine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away…which is your grace (our access to Jesus). Our fore parents, Adam and Eve chose to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Satan), by listening to Satan, instead of God, he cost us are access to The Tree of Life. Paul said this in Roman 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Adam and Eve were put forth from the Garden of Eden and from the Tree of Life. Grace is no more than a free gift retained by keeping God’s Law. Lets go into (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

FredVB · Feb 6, 2026

Bro.T said:
The free gift (grace) is Jesus came and died for our sins and by coming under his blood; we have access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam by sinning took away in the garden of Eden. With out the Tree of life (Jesus) man was condemned to death, even the second death (the lake of fire). Jesus told us in the scripture, (Psalms: 69: 4) They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away…which is your grace (our access to Jesus). Our fore parents, Adam and Eve chose to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Satan), by listening to Satan, instead of God, he cost us are access to The Tree of Life. Paul said this in Roman 5: 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Adam and Eve were put forth from the Garden of Eden and from the Tree of Life. Grace is no more than a free gift retained by keeping God’s Law. Lets go into (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Are there any that you are not loving? That you will not love?

Bro.T · Saturday at 10:51 AM

FredVB said:
Are there any that you are not loving? That you will not love?

In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

FredVB · Sunday at 9:18 AM

It was pretty much a yes or no question. So, no? There aren't any? Really?

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