No room at the inn; Go find asylum somewhere else; Trump seeks to cancel thousands of asylum cases; applicants can be deported to third countries

essentialsaltes · Dec 26, 2025

There goes the pope again, wearing fancy clothes and being a drama llama.

Pope Leo calls for kindness to strangers and the poor in Christmas Eve message

Refusing to help those in need is tantamount to rejecting God himself, says pontiff during Christmas Eve mass

Pope Leo has told Christians that the Christmas story should remind them of their duty to help the poor and strangers.

In his Christmas Eve sermon, the pope said the story of Jesus being born in a stable because there was no room at an inn showed followers that refusing to help those in need was tantamount to rejecting God himself.

Pope Leo calls for kindness to strangers and the poor in Christmas Eve message

Refusing to help those in need is tantamount to rejecting God himself, says pontiff during Christmas Eve mass

www.theguardian.com

Hentenza · Dec 26, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
There goes the pope again, wearing fancy clothes and being a drama llama.

Pope Leo calls for kindness to strangers and the poor in Christmas Eve message

Refusing to help those in need is tantamount to rejecting God himself, says pontiff during Christmas Eve mass

Pope Leo has told Christians that the Christmas story should remind them of their duty to help the poor and strangers.

In his Christmas Eve sermon, the pope said the story of Jesus being born in a stable because there was no room at an inn showed followers that refusing to help those in need was tantamount to rejecting God himself.

Pope Leo calls for kindness to strangers and the poor in Christmas Eve message

Refusing to help those in need is tantamount to rejecting God himself, says pontiff during Christmas Eve mass

www.theguardian.com

His message is correct which is why some of the biggest charities in the world are Christian.

BCP1928 · Dec 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
His message is correct which is why some of the biggest charities in the world are Christian.

And why the administration had to axe USAID because such large chunk of the money went to Catholic Relief Services.

Hentenza · Dec 26, 2025

BCP1928 said:
And why the administration had to axe USAID because such large chunk of the money went to Catholic Relief Services.

So if USAID and Catholic relief services were not partners then the administration would not have axed USAID?

BCP1928 · Dec 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
So if USAID and Catholic relief services were not partners then the administration would not have axed USAID?

Probably not so ruthlessly. He was just throwing a bone to his base, This was about the same time that he was considering declaring Catholic Charities a domestic terrorist organization and revoking the Pope's US citizenship.

Hentenza · Dec 26, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Probably not so ruthlessly. He was just throwing a bone to his base, This was about the same time that he was considering declaring Catholic Charities a domestic terrorist organization and revoking the Pope's US citizenship.

lol yes I remember that. Off his meds?

NxNW · Dec 26, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
LOL that made me laugh. The left screams race since 2015 - still does, as evidenced by a number of active and over 100 threads -

The right is still screaming that Obama can't be a citizen because he's black.

Always in His Presence · Dec 27, 2025

not happening

essentialsaltes · Dec 27, 2025

Speaking of third countries.

“The United States deeply appreciates Palau’s cooperation in enforcing U.S. immigration laws, which remains a top priority for the Trump Administration,” a spokesperson for the embassy wrote. “In this regard, the United States granted $7.5 million to address the needs of relevant Palau public services.”

Lawmakers issued the demand as early as July, but did not specify how many migrants Palau ... would have to accept. That number has now been confirmed to be 75.

$100,000 per deportee. At that rate, Trump could spend a trillion dollars getting them all out (plus the care, feeding, housing, and transport)

Nation six times smaller than Rhode Island agrees to take in migrants from US

The small island nation supported the United States in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is heavily reliant on the US for financial support

www.yahoo.com

Say it aint so · Dec 27, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
Perhaps a better comparison would be Herod's murderous rampage and the Holy Family having to flee and find asylum in Egypt.

That would make Jesus a asylum seeking refugee now wouldn't it?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Dec 27, 2025

Rather than expressing dissatisfaction, Democrats should consider thanking President Trump for effectively delivering Florida's 30 electoral votes to their party for the next 30 years.

President Trump rescinded over 530,000 CHNV TPS cases. Each individual affected has at least one family member who is a U.S. citizen, and most are Cuban Americans residing in Florida.

MAGA voters in Alabama or Oklahoma may feel satisfied that President Trump rescinded legal status for these individuals; however, Cuban American, Venezuelan American, Nicaraguan American, or Haitian American families who lost CHNV status are not pleased.

Just as the GOP lost African American voters for generations, it risks losing Cuban American, Venezuelan American, and Nicaraguan American voters, especially in Florida. This could shift Florida's 30 electoral votes to the Democrats for the next generation. Families affected by the revocation of CHVN status are unlikely to support the GOP again.

Republicans this year are behaving as if there will never be another election where Americans will vote again.

ViaCrucis · Dec 27, 2025

Say it aint so said:
That would make Jesus a asylum seeking refugee now wouldn't it?

That the Holy Family required hospitality and sought refuge and asylum has literally been a staple of the Christmas story for two thousand years.

That's simply always been the Christian understanding. And hospitality, welcome, and love toward the stranger and the foreigner have been staple Christian virtues throughout the history of Christianity.

Such values have been shunned by a fringe--but politically and culturally powerful--minority of Christians in modern times. But they do not reflect the global and historical Christian norm.

Say it aint so · Dec 28, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
That the Holy Family required hospitality and sought refuge and asylum has literally been a staple of the Christmas story for two thousand years.

That's simply always been the Christian understanding. And hospitality, welcome, and love toward the stranger and the foreigner have been staple Christian virtues throughout the history of Christianity.

Such values have been shunned by a fringe--but politically and culturally powerful--minority of Christians in modern times. But they do not reflect the global and historical Christian norm.

Honestly, here in America where I live. I am not sure the Christmas story is appreciated by a rather large segment of Christians here. I think either the minority you speak of may in fact be a majority. That, or the majority just chooses silence. This is from The Harvard Divinity Bulletin, 2015. And I'm sure some ten years later it has gotten worse:

There is a universality within the Christian faith that ostensibly cuts across tribe and nation. Indeed, a strong Christian case can be made for extending a “radical hospitality,” for permeable borders, and for a compassionate approach to immigration.

And yet, white evangelicals—those who claim to hold the Bible in highest regard—are more opposed to immigration reform, and have more negative views about immigrants, than any other religious demographic.1 This, despite the advocacy efforts of many evangelical organizations and prominent leaders.

In fact, the Bible appears to hold little sway when it comes to immigration: a 2015 LifeWay Research poll found that 90 percent of all evangelicals say that “the Scripture has no impact on their views toward immigration reform.” Evangelicals, then, are not basing their views on scripture. Instead, they are acting out of a powerful, cohesive worldview—an ideology that is at the heart of their religious and political identity, an ideology influenced by conservative media sources but that is also deeply rooted in their own faith tradition.

They are literally saying the Bible, the Christmas immigration story as you put it, has no impact on their immigration stance.

ViaCrucis · Dec 28, 2025

Say it aint so said:
Honestly, here in America where I live. I am not sure the Christmas story is appreciated by a rather large segment of Christians here. I think either the minority you speak of may in fact be a majority. That, or the majority just chooses silence. This is from The Harvard Divinity Bulletin, 2015. And I'm sure some ten years later it has gotten worse:

There is a universality within the Christian faith that ostensibly cuts across tribe and nation. Indeed, a strong Christian case can be made for extending a “radical hospitality,” for permeable borders, and for a compassionate approach to immigration.

And yet, white evangelicals—those who claim to hold the Bible in highest regard—are more opposed to immigration reform, and have more negative views about immigrants, than any other religious demographic.1 This, despite the advocacy efforts of many evangelical organizations and prominent leaders.

In fact, the Bible appears to hold little sway when it comes to immigration: a 2015 LifeWay Research poll found that 90 percent of all evangelicals say that “the Scripture has no impact on their views toward immigration reform.” Evangelicals, then, are not basing their views on scripture. Instead, they are acting out of a powerful, cohesive worldview—an ideology that is at the heart of their religious and political identity, an ideology influenced by conservative media sources but that is also deeply rooted in their own faith tradition.

They are literally saying the Bible, the Christmas immigration story as you put it, has no impact on their immigration stance.

"Well, it was the result of having multiple pastors tell me essentially the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount parenthetically in their preaching - turn the other cheek - to have someone come up after and to say, where did you get those liberal talking points? And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ, the response would not be, I apologize. The response would be, yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak. And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis." - Russel Moore's interview with NPR's Scott Detrow (Source)

Who is Russel Moore? Well to quote his Wikipedia article:

Russell D. Moore (born 9 October 1971) is an American theologian, ethicist, and preacher. In June 2021, he became the director of the Public Theology Project at Christianity Today, and on August 4, 2022, was announced as the magazine's incoming Editor-in-Chief.[1] On September 24, 2025, Moore announced his resignation as Editor-in-Chief and his transition to the role of Editor-at-Large and Columnist.[2]

Moore previously served as president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the public-policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), and at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, as dean of the School of Theology, senior vice president for academic administration, and as professor of theology and ethics.[3]

Which is to say, Russel Moore is a card-carrying conservative Evangelical. Moore, however, has pretty consistently been worried by the way it isn't Jesus, it isn't the Gospel, it isn't the Bible, but it's cultural and political ideology which has come to define so much of American Christianity, to the point where people get angry at their pastors for quoting Jesus Christ and teaching ordinary biblical ethics.

The way I'd put it? There is a significant portion of the Evangelical and American Christian world still broadly that is offended by the lessons they learned in Sunday School.

More from the NPR interview:

DETROW: I mean, how do you even begin to fix that problem, though, when the central message of the gospel is something that a lot of people in the church do not seem to want to fully embrace?

MOORE: I don't think we fix it by fighting a war for the soul of evangelicalism. I really don't think we can fix it at the movement level. And that's one of the reasons why, when I'm talking to Christians who are concerned about this, my counsel is always small and local. I think we have to do something different and show a different way. And I see in history every time that something renewing and reviving has happened, it's happened that way. It's happened at a small level with people simply refusing to go with the stream of the church culture at the time. And I think that's where we need to be now.

I think that can be read as a beautiful challenge: Follow Jesus, even if it costs you the loss of acceptance within the broader "Christian" culture. Stick to Jesus. Remain faithful to His word. Be kind to others. Love your neighbor, even if the people who get angry at you about it are those who are supposed to be following the same Jesus as you. Don't go with the flow, dare to be faithful. Even, and perhaps especially, when it hurts.

rjs330 · Dec 28, 2025

I would just rather change the asylum laws to simply allow us to prohibit seekers from certain countries, require people to seek asylum to the nearest country and also limit the amount of seekers. There are MANY countries to chose from. I would also require seekers have to remain out of country until the case is adjudicated. Maybe in Guantanimo or someplace so we don't have anchor baby issues. Stuff like that.

Servus · Dec 29, 2025

The blame never seems to fall on the mismanaged and or corrupt governments people are seeking asylum from.

Perhaps the best solution would be the US taking complete control of those countries.

BCP1928 · Dec 29, 2025

Servus said:
The blame never seems to fall on the mismanaged and or corrupt governments people are seeking asylum from.

Perhaps the best solution would be the US taking complete control of those countries.

In many of those countries, particularly in Latin America, the corrupt governments have been installed and propped up by US or are in any case the legacy of decades of our meddling and military intervention. The gangs which terrorize many of these countries exist to supply illegal drugs. We sustain this terrorism because the US is their largest market--and also they easiest place to buy their weaponry.

Valletta · Dec 30, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
That the Holy Family required hospitality and sought refuge and asylum has literally been a staple of the Christmas story for two thousand years.

That's simply always been the Christian understanding. And hospitality, welcome, and love toward the stranger and the foreigner have been staple Christian virtues throughout the history of Christianity.

Such values have been shunned by a fringe--but politically and culturally powerful--minority of Christians in modern times. But they do not reflect the global and historical Christian norm.

Devious leaders lied to the American people and snuck in as many people as they could get away with, millions not properly vetted, in order to seize power. They claimed the border was safe, secure, and close while allowing human trafficking in our country to reach a level not seen since the Civil War. That is a grave sin. Over 65,000 missing children have been rescued, many of them were sold into sexual slavery. Many of those still alive may not ever recover. What we can do is rescue the rest of the children, deport the violent criminals and terrorists, and re-establish the LEGAL systems that were put into law. I think we should take in as many immigrants who love America as we can, but LEGALLY. We should not show hospitality to the terrorists and criminals and others who seek the destruction of others. Give them food and clothing, but shake the dust from our shoes and send them on their way.

essentialsaltes · Feb 5, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
In late October, the Board of Immigration Appeals, which reviews decisions by immigration courts, issued a ruling that lawyers believe will turbocharge efforts by the government to use "safe third country" agreements to cancel asylum cases. That order directed immigration judges to decide the motions by ICE to send immigrants to third-party countries before reviewing their asylum applications.

More changes at BIA.

Appellants automatically lose, unless a majority agree to hear the appeal.

DOJ wants to turbocharge deportations by swiftly dismissing immigration court appeals

A proposed rule change from the Department of Justice would force the Board of Immigration Appeals to dismiss most of them, unless a majority of the board agrees to hear them.

The proposal takes a “sledgehammer” to due process, according to Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, senior fellow with immigration advocacy think tank American immigration Council.

Board of Immigration Appeals judges do not typically hear cases but review and make decisions based on the record in immigration courts. Those are decided by individual members of the 19-member Board — 12 of whom were appointed by Bondi.

essentialsaltes · 2026-02-23T08:48:40-0600

The US deported a gay asylum-seeker to a third country where homosexuality is (also) illegal

She was denied asylum, but in August she received a protection order from an U.S. immigration judge, who ruled she cannot be deported to Morocco because that would endanger her life.

[So she was sent to Cameroon. The US has paid various foreign countries $40 million to take in some 300 such third country deportees.]

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