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Morale is plummeting among ICE agents over long hours, quotas and public hatred: reports

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I'm sure morale is down among ICE agents. The left wing has engaged all their forces (including celebrities and news media) to demonize and dehumanize them and the job they are doing. I really don't think it actually has much to do with ICE exactly, it's more to do with Trump. The Democrats are throwing a tantrum because they didn't win the election in 2024, they've just targeted ICE as a means to try to discredit him. People didn't take to the streets when Obama deported people.
 
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I'm sure morale is down among ICE agents. The left wing has engaged all their forces (including celebrities and news media) to demonize and dehumanize them and the job they are doing.
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What matters is there's video. And their behavior. Kidnapping a kid to use him as bait was monumentally bad PR. Even MAGA people found that to be disgusting.

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The Democrats are throwing a tantrum because they didn't win the election in 2024
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Wrong election, and wrong party...
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People didn't take to the streets when Obama deported people.
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Probably because Obama told ICE to focus on grabbing dangerous criminals, not 5 YO kids.
 
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iarwain said:
Both are tantrums.
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The democratic candidate in 2024 conceded defeat, and democrats accepted it. In 2020, the republican candidate refused to concede, attempted to fraudulently rig the count, and when that failed, incited an insurrection to top the count. For which he was impeached.

Which of those seems to be tantrums to you, might be important to consider.
 
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The democratic candidate in 2024 conceded defeat, and democrats accepted it. In 2020, the republican candidate refused to concede, attempted to fraudulently rig the count, and when that failed, incited an insurrection to top the count. For which he was impeached.
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I don't support Trump's position on any of that. I think he should have conceded, I have always said that. But his two impeachments were political nonsense, and he was not convicted. But his supporters threw a tantrum for three hours on January 6. The Democrats have thrown tantrums for weeks and years at a time.
 
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I don't support Trump's position on any of that. I think he should have conceded, I have always said that. But his two impeachments were political nonsense, and he was not convicted.
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He committed crimes, but fortunately for him, there were enough congressional supporters of the insurrection/voting fraud attempts that he escaped conviction.

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But his supporters threw a tantrum for three hours on January 6.
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Including breaking into the Capitol. Attacking police, looting, and attempting to kill the VP.
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The Democrats have thrown tantrums for weeks and years at a time.
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Can't remember democrats doing any of that stuff. In particular, no actual leader of the democratic party did that or suggested that his followers should do it. "Tantrum" might be on a sliding scale depending on political belief, I suppose.
 
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Including breaking into the Capitol. Attacking police, looting, and attempting to kill the VP.
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I'm not really interested in arguing about Jan. 6, since as I have said, I don't approve of any of it. I don't believe anyone tried to kill the VP, despite of what they were chanting, and despite of them building a non-functioning gallows. As for Trump, he told them to go peacefully protest, but like so many other protests in the last decade, it got out of hand and turned into a riot.
 
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iarwain said:
I'm not really interested in arguing about Jan. 6
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Probably not a good idea to bring up political tantrums, then.
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I don't believe anyone tried to kill the VP, despite of what they were chanting,
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They just failed because the Capitol Police contained the mob, and eventually, someone went around Trump and got troops there to stop the insurgency.
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As for Trump, he told them to go peacefully protest
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Actually, he told them to go there and "fight like hell." Even the insurgents, at their trials admitted that they were just following Trump's orders.
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it got out of hand and turned into a riot
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It was planned. C'mon:
Three suspected members of Oath Keepers were federally indicted in January 2021 for conspiracy for planning their activities during the attack on the U.S. Capitol, with six more being added to the indictment in February. Eight to ten members of the group entered the Capitol wearing paramilitary gear, moving "in an organized and practiced fashion," according to the indictment. The group communicated with portable devices, with Watkins messaging to others, "We have a good group. We have about 30–40 of us. We are sticking together and sticking to the plan." Prosecutors alleged one member sent a text message to a member of the anti-government Three Percenters group days before the incursion, suggesting using a boat to ferry a "Quick Response Team" and heavy weapons across the Potomac River to other members already in the Capitol. Federal prosecutors were considering whether to pursue charges under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, which is typically used to prosecute organized crime syndicates.

During the second impeachment trial of former President Trump, House impeachment managers presented an allegation that members of the Oath Keepers participated in efforts to interfere with the 2020 presidential election by discussing "a brazen plan to ferry 'heavy weapons' in a boat across the Potomac River into Washington and began training sessions 'for urban warfare, riot control and rescue operations' well before Election Day." Impeachment managers also said that an Oath Keeper member noted that they were "'awaiting direction' from Mr. Trump about how to handle the results of the vote in the days that followed the election," and that another alleged member, Jessica M. Watkins, wrote a text message saying, "f Trump asks me to come, I will."
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Probably not a good idea to bring up political tantrums, then.
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I said the Democrats are throwing a tantrum, which they are. Just become some right wingers have thrown their own tantrum in the past doesn't negate that. In any case, I've seen many conservatives critical of Jan. 6. I've seen very few Democrats critical of the 2020 riots or this year's efforts to obstruct federal enforcement of the law.
 
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I said the Democrats are throwing a tantrum, which they are
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As I said, compared to Trump's twitter meltdowns, his calls to state officials to "find" more votes for him, or his complete meltdown after losing to Joe Biden, I don't think you'll find any leading democrat so deranged.

But maybe you have an example?
 
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I've seen very few Democrats critical of the 2020 riots
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They impeached Trump for inciting them. They voted to honor the Capitol police who held off the mob that Trump sent there.
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or this year's efforts to obstruct federal enforcement of the law.
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They've repeatedly sued Trump for his various attempts to obstruct the law. And they've often won.
 
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As I said, compared to Trump's twitter meltdowns, his calls to state officials to "find" more votes for him, or his complete meltdown after losing to Joe Biden, I don't think you'll find any leading democrat so deranged.

But maybe you have an example?
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What part of "I'm not interested in arguing about Jan 6" did you not understand? It's old news, it's boring. Be happy I agree about 50% with you on that topic, I'm sure that's more than we are likely to agree about anything else.
 
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What part of "I'm not interested in arguing about Jan 6" did you not understand?
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Probably a bad idea to bring up political tantrums, then. That was the Trumpy tanrum to beat all other tantrums.
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It's old news, it's boring.
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Capitol police don't think so. Neither do most Americans.
Four years later, the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol continues to be met with disapproval from a large and bipartisan majority of Americans, although Republicans' disapproval has become more tempered, a trend that first emerged in CBS News polling just months after the attack.
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4 years later, Republicans' disapproval of Jan. 6 attack continues to soften — CBS News poll analysis

Most Americans would oppose Trump pardons for Jan. 6 attack, while Republicans would favor these pardons.
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Probably a bad idea to bring up political tantrums, then. That was the Trumpy tanrum to beat all other tantrums.
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I admitted Jan. 6 was a tantrum. Just like what's going on now is a tantrum. One does not exclude the other. It just shows how toxic our politics are these days.
 
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iarwain said:
I admitted Jan. 6 was a tantrum. Just like what's going on now is a tantrum.
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Well yes...

Trump posts 124 times in five-and-a-half hours as he unleashes fury from 'Newscum' rage to full-blown Canada tantrum​

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Some of that on the left...
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At least, I think she's a leftist. But no one in the democratic leadership. Which matters, I think.
 
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